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While I tend to overanalyze things in my life to a dysfunctional degree and try to find answers where there may not be any, in art, whether it be music, film or otherwise, I really value aesthetics.

Lyrics mean nothing to me compared to the melody and emotional impact of a song and a specific shot or score in a movie can affect me greatly without me having to wonder what it all means logically.

With that said, this entire season of Lost wasn't very good, but the last 5 minutes of the show were the most beautiful and sad scenes I've ever watched on television. I didn't care about plot holes or unanswered questions. The music, Jack's performance, and the shots (in particular of Christian walking towards the church doors with the two angels, slowly opening it to reveal light which floods the room) were touching and heart-wrenching.

I think it was a return to what made the show special in the first place. Emotional scenes that make you think; about life, death, love, spirituality, God... the show had many faults throughout the years, but I doubt there will be another mainstream television show that can arouse such intense and philosophical feelings and thoughts for a very, very long time.
As I said before, this episode was ripped off from the series finale of 6 Feet Under. ESPECIALLY the 5 minute sequence you glorify, was a complete rip-off of Claire driving in a car (intercut with future flashes of the family members dying) until she ultimately dies. The Lost producers made alternate ending parodies mimicking the Sopranos and Newhart but the truth is, their actual ending was a rip-off as well.
 
Someone mentioned that Christian said to Jack: some died before you, some after but I don't remember that line, anyone else hear that???
I heard it, and understood it to mean that everything that happened, happened, EXCEPT for what we came to know as the "alternate reality". This was all stuff made up in Jack's imagination... sort of a "purgatory situation" to resolve issues. e.g. he never really had a son, but that Jack's son was an imagined personality to help Jack overcome is own "father issues",
 

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I heard it, and understood it to mean that everything that happened, happened, EXCEPT for what we came to know as the "alternate reality". This was all stuff made up in Jack's imagination... sort of a "purgatory situation" to resolve issues. e.g. he never really had a son, but that Jack's son was an imagined personality to help Jack overcome is own "father issues",
Actually, I watched it again last night, it does actually explain a lot the second time around. Lot's of little visual and verbal cues. I paid more attention and heard the line. THE line that is. But it wasn't just Jack's version, everyone contributed to it. Christian said something about "they all had a part in making this" ......

Still have some problems with it:
Why Michael wasn't a part of the final church scene?
Clare's son erin: so, are we to understand that when he died as an adult he reverted back to an infant in order to move on? (or he died as a baby but we know that isn't the case because Kate raised him).
Hurley was supposed to be immortal, how did he end up in pergatory?

One thing that I DID figure out last night was why babies conceived on the island don't go full term. As Jacob and MIB were born on the island and were chosen, I guess they can't have more than 2 protectors? But still isn't 100% clear.

The cheesy bastard producers let on that there will be a lot more explained when you buy the Blu Ray disc.....(they let it slip during the Jimmy Kimmel show).
 
Actually, I watched it again last night, it does actually explain a lot the second time around. Lot's of little visual and verbal cues. I paid more attention and heard the line.
I haven't watched it again yet, and really need to... I had a BBQ Sunday night and had a few "pops" in the afternoon as well, so maybe wasn't as "clear" as I shoulda been LOL. Waiting for the D-L to finish!!! ARG!
 

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Don't know if this was a "mistake" or just another Sawyer anacronysm but in the purgatory timeline, He called Miles Enos (in reference to the cop show) and when they made it onto the plane before take off, he said to him "nice to see you too enos"........
 
Your eg explains Lost ... You will never get a black and white ( ie clear ending ) ending to Lost ... The shows ending reflected the show ... The will give you the outline and let your imagination tell the story ...

It was a great 2 and half hours of TV and although the ending had me pissed it didn't take away from the entertainment ... I often think the viewers toward the end of the show had more of a creative mind then the writers ... They spent season 6 introducing the sideways when they could have sent time explaining
the Island but saying that ... I think the Island story is like a magic trick and we are at awe when we see it but to explain it might take the magical element of it ... You see a man saw a woman in half you are amzazed and entertained and so any explation would ruin the entertainment ..

Lost is like Religion and the Bible ... Heck the stories in the bible are so extreme but billions of people have faith in the story and don't need every questioned
answered ..
I actually liked how they put the characters together... Sayid & Shannon, Juliet & Sawyer, Charlie & Claire, Jack & Kate finally professing their love for each other etc...

I do have to watch it again, to catch all the nuances... I missed the set-up show before hand as well! :( (I had company over for a BBQ and missed the first 1:45 of the preshow recap special...)
 

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Enos is refersnce to Dukes of Hazzard....i think Enos was either Rocco Pico Train's dog or partner?...not sure, its been a while since i saw that show
Yeah, he ended up having a spin off show of his own.....kind of an andy of mayberry/don knotts......
 

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Totally SUCKED. Waste of 6 years.

They left so many questions un-answered. They made so many mistakes.... UGHHHHH
I had somebody who would give me the complete season every year - started strong but half way through the 4th season I just got fed up. It was like some guys on bad drugs were writing the script and took a few odd ideas for a spin off series to cram into this one. I'm bit torrenting the summary and conclusion out of curiosity but it really should have been limited to two seasons - then the pace & plot would have made it more memorable.
 

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I have to admit that I particularly liked how Sawyer and Jack came too like each other in the end. Both on the island and in the church at the end.

Especially since they were polar opposites during most of the show.

when Kate told Jack that she had missed him so much it did tug at the heartstrings for me.
 

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Why Michael wasn't a part of the final church scene?
Hurley was supposed to be immortal, how did he end up in pergatory?
Michael died on the Island and became stuck as one of the phantom whispers, I guess it had to do with how he died, or how he lived his life.
As for Hurley, since time has no meaning in the "afterlife" one could assume that he and Linus lived for quite some time and like Jacob, eventually tired of the burden and found other candidates to carry on.
 

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Michael died on the Island and became stuck as one of the phantom whispers, I guess it had to do with how he died, or how he lived his life.
As for Hurley, since time has no meaning in the "afterlife" one could assume that he and Linus lived for quite some time and like Jacob, eventually tired of the burden and found other candidates to carry on.
Do I sense a "Lost: 2.0" on the horizon????

I just wish they went to the trouble of explaining more about what the island actually was, other than simply a "location" like Old Faithful etc. I mean, if it was the "key" to all life on earth, they could have shown destruction off the island when the light was turned off, that would signify its importance to the world, not just to the lostees. (as insinuated in some episodes).

One other thing, if smokie could fly, why did he need a boat to leave the island? If Jacob's brother turned into smokie when he went into the light, why didn't jack turn into WHITE smoke when he went into the cave? (if the brother was dead going in, jack died in there so....).
 

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Enos is refersnce to Dukes of Hazzard....i think Enos was either Rocco Pico Train's dog or partner?...not sure, its been a while since i saw that show
I have a dog,
His name is Flash
I don't know why, Cuz he aint to fast.
He take 2 steps
And runs outa gas
In a one dog race he'd come in last.

That, ladies and gents, was from the Dukes of Hazzard soundtrack. How cool am I !!???!?!!! LOL

The partner was Enos, the dog was Flash.
 

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One other thing, if smokie could fly, why did he need a boat to leave the island? If Jacob's brother turned into smokie when he went into the light, why didn't jack turn into WHITE smoke when he went into the cave? (if the brother was dead going in, jack died in there so....).
If you also saw, he couldn't fly over any kind of water, that's why he needed the boat to cross from the Main Island to Hydra Island. In many mythologies, running water has protective abilities; some old vampire folktales mention moats or rivers as a deterant to the undead.

As for also needing the boat, the Man in Black must also have know that since the only way her could leave was to extinguish the light which would revert his body into a coporeal form.

Jack went down willingly (and was injured before hand) where as the MiB was thrown in unwillingly.
 

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I think what smokie wanted to do was leave the Island not as smokie but as man and if Desomond did what he did and Jack never stopped him then he would have left the Island mortal ... Question that wasn't answered was what would be wrong with that ???? Why couldn't smokie leave ???
It was mentioned before that if he left, everything would end/cease to exist. They never went on to explain why. (they said on many occasions to the lostees that they would cease to exist but as for everything? only once or twice...)
 

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Overall I liked the ending. It didn't answer everything but I would have felt it strange if everything was wrapped up nice and tight.

Yes they all did die, but not at the same time that Jack did; they all died afterward.
I think that Kate's comment to Jack after the concert was "I missed you" implying that she was around a lot longer after she left the Island"

Jack’s father makes reference to that point about the church being an afterlife created by the survivors so they could find one another, independent of the time at which they died, and move on to "the next phase" together.
It clicked for me when jack walks into the "church" and the stained glass and other religious icons were from a bunch of different religions.


They all died in the original plane crash. ....
That makes no sense.


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Plus, where the hell was Michael? He was on the Jimmy Kimmel show so he should have been in the church (or did I miss him?). ...
I found it annoying that they got Boone in to the ending even though he did next to nothing on the show while other significant characters were left out. I sort of thought Walt should have had a role but I guess his part was meaningless (or they couldn't get him for the finale).

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I think it would have been good if white smoke would have came out of the cave after Jack went into it ..
Jack was in the exact same pose as when smokey was ejected from the cave. Smokey went in dead though while Jack went in alive.


I did think all along that the writers were adding stuff in just to fuck with us.
 

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I was thinking about walt too and it's probably because he was a pre-teen on the island and now he'd be 15, too dramatic a change as opposed to the rest.

That college humor video just highlights what I've been saying for the past few seasons: Continuity has been thrown out the window. Most shows have a person or team to back check data to make sure that they don't make any errors or omissions on past events. Not Lost. The way they wrote the show was: hey, know what would look good here? No what....THIS. But does it have any bearing on the story? No, but who cares? It'll look good so put it in......
 
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