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Another random lost thought that doesn't make sense - does anything with this show.

Comparing Jacob to pre-death smokey, Jacob accepts things on faith while MiB values knowledge/science/reason.

Going back to early in the show, Jack was the one for reason while pre-death locke was the one with faith.
 

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Just a reminder FINAL episode of Lost is tonight beginning at 7PM

Lost to be shown around the globe as it air's live in the USA
In an attempt to halt illegal downloading the final of LOST will be shown in many countries around the globe at it airs live in the USA.

Fans of cult drama series 'Lost' are in for an early start next Monday as the UK's Sky1 has decided to broadcast the last ever episode of the show at five in the morning – the same time it goes out on US channel ABC on the American west coast.

Canada, Spain, Italy Portugal, Israel and Turkey, which are also set to simulcast the programme.
Source: http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/news-extra/article/6665/lost-finale-to-air-at-5am-on-monday.html
 

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Just a reminder FINAL episode of Lost is tonight beginning at 7PM

Lost to be shown around the globe as it air's live in the USA
In an attempt to halt illegal downloading the final of LOST will be shown in many countries around the globe at it airs live in the USA.

Fans of cult drama series 'Lost' are in for an early start next Monday as the UK's Sky1 has decided to broadcast the last ever episode of the show at five in the morning – the same time it goes out on US channel ABC on the American west coast.

Canada, Spain, Italy Portugal, Israel and Turkey, which are also set to simulcast the programme.
Source: http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/news-extra/article/6665/lost-finale-to-air-at-5am-on-monday.html
To clarify, at 7 there is a two hour recap. The final episode itself airs from 9-11:30.
 

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All I can say is they better not F this up. I wouldn't put it past them though.....

I do have to say the last episode was pretty good. The BEST line to date in the series was spoken by Miles: "I was here 30 yrs ago, or in other words, last week". I almost pissed myself when I heard that.

One thing they have done is peaked my curiosity again. I'm really looking forward to finding out the correlation between the alternate timeline and the current one. Desmond is key to both and you have to wonder what the connection is and how it'll play out.

One thing I have to say about lost though, it's too PG. We need some swearing, some booby shots, and more of Kate in a thong.......
 

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Ok, so I get jack saving the island, and I get hurley being the new protector, and I get why Desmond had to to "turn off the light" so Jack could kill the smoke monster, and I get the "alternative" was created "so they could all find each other", namely those who died, but Kate, clare, The dentist and his wife, Sawyer, hurley, desmond, didn't die. I understand why Benjamin didn't go into the church, he didn't die.

I also noticed Kate in the church was dressed differently than Kate before going in the church. (btw she was smoking hot in that LBD).

Once again, they F'd up the ending. Why can't writers just END something?

I could totally understand it if Kate, Sawyer, Hurley etc didn't go into the church, they didn't die. But them being in there F'd up that theory.

Even "what the island is", they never explained that. As far as I can tell, the island is an entity totally unrelated to anything "deep and meaningful" like it being the garden of eden, heaven, hell, or whatever. According to that ending, it is just a place kind of like easter island. Kind of special but not life changing or important to the continuation of the space time continuum.

So, it was an entertaining ending, and they explained some things (namely shit they created this past season) but they never explained a shit load of things they have been throwing at us over the past 6 years. I knew they wouldn't because they didn't have any plan all along, they just threw shit in whenever they had a random thought.

According to that show (since they didn't show the world ending elsewhere when they pulled the plug out of the light), if the island sunk, BFD. Nothing would have happened. That was the whole premise of the show that it was important and needed to be protected for all eternity. Kind of like old faithful at yelllowstone national park: yeah, it's important. But if it stops squirting, is it the end of the world?
 

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Ok, so I get jack saving the island, and I get hurley being the new protector, and I get why Desmond had to to "turn off the light" so Jack could kill the smoke monster, and I get the "alternative" was created "so they could all find each other", namely those who died, but Kate, clare, The dentist and his wife, Sawyer, hurley, desmond, didn't die. I understand why Benjamin didn't go into the church, he didn't die.
Yes they all did die, but not at the same time that Jack did; they all died afterward.

Jack’s father makes reference to that point about the church being an afterlife created by the survivors so they could find one another, independent of the time at which they died, and move on to "the next phase" together.

Each person is only aware of their concept of time; it’s why Hurley and Linus have that quick conversation about each one being a good “Number 1” or “Number 2” to each other; which means they lived their lives protecting the Island long after Jack’s death on the beach.
 

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Spoiler alert: In the end, Lost had its moments

After a mostly lacklustre season, I feel like the creators of Lost are a lot like a very good student who just handed in his essay after pulling an all-nighter.

Now, after seeing the finale, I’d have to give it a B+ on its merits, but part of me that still can’t forgive the slow, languid pace that came during the year leading up to it.

If you haven’t seen it, avert your eyes, as we’re going to do a quick recap.

Basically, all main characters in the parallel lives touched their meant-to-be true loves and flashed back to their island lives. Jack is the only one who seemed resistant to the flashes of his other life.

In the end, it’s revealed that the flash sideways is a shared reality created by the group; basically, a waiting room before death where all cast members could come together before they moved on to the next world.

On the island, Jack and Locke had their final showdown. Desmond moved the rock in the cave of light – which was the literal cork holding the island’s power – and as he moved it, the island started to come apart. Jack sacrificed himself by putting it back in place, but before doing so, he anoints Hurley as his replacement.

Frank gets the Ajira plane working and Richard, Miles, Sawyer, Kate and Claire fly off the island.

In the closing moments, Jack talks with his father and realizes he’s dead. The rest of the cast await him in church pews and in the end, light washes over them as they move on. Jack dies on the island with the final shot being a closeup of his eye.

I think the majority of fans loved this finale, as it really did get back to one of the best things about this show – the characters we actually care about. It also allowed them to be happy and in some ways was a lot like a post-series reunion show with all the returning characters – including Shannon, Boone, Bernard, Rose and heck, even golden retriever Vincent, who is one damn cool dog.

I kind of felt it was made for the female fans, as much of finale was blatant emotional manipulation created to make them cry. By reading Twitter and Facebook during the show, on that front, it worked.

The easiest complaint to make is that other than the flash sideways being a shared reality between the characters, it was rather short on answers.

There are many who will say that is beside the point, particularly after such a clear-eyed, straightforward finish. But that’s the thing – looking back, so much of the show now feels like obfuscation simply for confusion’s sake.

The creators have often talked about how it was important to ask questions, as opposed to answering them. However, this ending proves they didn’t have the answers, and well, were basically screwing with the viewers.

One of my biggest problems is that Lost is one of the few American hit network shows that actually got the chance to telegraph out its ending, deciding that it was going to end in three years.

Much of this season seems like the show was dragging its feet to get here, so in a sense, it feels to me as if the luxury of planning out the ending was wasted. Even the “Across the Sea” episode, which only served to explain the bodies in the cave. Even last episode where Zoey and Widmore were killed as if they were nothing.

Why bother bringing Charles back, and introducing Zoey this year if that’s all they were going to be used for? And really, chalking everything up to a still mysterious cave of light? Try explaining that to someone who’s never seen the show and there is no getting around how stupid it sounds.

Despite my problems with this year’s writing, I do feel it was obviously an important show, and in particular, I loved the fifth season’s time-shifting and hydrogen bomb exploding finale. The last show did reward encyclopedic fans of the show, with many shout-outs, scene and visual cues that pointed to the show’s history and mythology.

As well, I remember Steven Johnson, the author of Everything Good is Bad for You, posting about the show on Boingboing.net, talking about how interesting it was that such a challenging show had become a hit. He once wrote: “That a mass audience is willing to embrace this kind of storytelling innovation is truly remarkable, and has a kind of sign-of-the-times quality to it.”

I agree, and the show should be commended and hailed for the many things it tried. Unfortunately, looking at the television landscape and the failure of other serialized shows (in particular, the Lost-esque clones like FlashForward) and even the series’ declining ratings over the seasons, the show truly is an anomaly. That is reason that any smart television fan should be sad to see it go.

As a fan, I have to say I was glad to see Hurley got to step up as caretaker of the island. He also got in the best line of the finale, with his Yoda putdown of Jacob.

All in all, it was a good enough ending to this series. The creators really did put all their chips down on the ending and went out on their own terms. The show has always looked beautiful, and this episode, for the most part, was no different – although, the falling rocks did seem pretty fake as they bounced around the supposedly falling-apart island.

While I had to watch it in real time to file a quick recap for the paper, there is no better argument for a PVR than the incredibly intolerable amount of commercials they crammed in this supposed super-sized finale. Really, it’s obvious the network added time so they could cash in on the island one last time.

http://www.thestar.com/entertainmen...er-alert-in-the-end-lost-had-its-moments?bn=1
 

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They all died in the original plane crash. The whole series reads like William Golding's novel "Pincher Martin" or Ambrose Bierce"s short story "Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge." It is what's called a survivalist story which presents an alternate time line (or lines) to what actually happened. The series suggests alternate outcomes that might have happened. (Or that happened in the past) This gives the writers free reign to create as fantastic a plot as they can devise, because the characters are all dead anyway.
 

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They all died in the original plane crash. The whole series reads like William Golding's novel "Pincher Martin" or Ambrose Bierce"s short story "Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge." It is what's called a survivalist story which presents an alternate time line (or lines) to what actually happened. The series suggests alternate outcomes that might have happened. (Or that happened in the past) This gives the writers free reign to create as fantastic a plot as they can devise, because the characters are all dead anyway.

Ya know - I was beginning to think the same thing at one point watching the show last night. Couple of episodes ago Richard told them on the beach that they were in hell - which is what Jacob told them. Maybe it was their understanding of a kind of "death" ?

At any rate in the series recap they said that all of the characters were “lost” in their own stage in life. The island - like the book " Lord of the Flies" [which was mentioned in the recap pre-show] was used as metaphor for life. So, protect the island = protect life?

But I'm not really sure what the church symbolized at the end - was that heaven? or a path to it? Remember Kate's chuckle at the mention of "Christian Sheppard" (Jack's father) - there were a lot of religious overtones there.

BTW...Do you think they could get any more commercials in that final 2 hours?
 

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They all died in the original plane crash. The whole series reads like William Golding's novel "Pincher Martin" or Ambrose Bierce"s short story "Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge." It is what's called a survivalist story which presents an alternate time line (or lines) to what actually happened. The series suggests alternate outcomes that might have happened. (Or that happened in the past) This gives the writers free reign to create as fantastic a plot as they can devise, because the characters are all dead anyway.
yeah, I figured that out last night after lying in bed for a bit. The kicker is/was:
-Christian stating: you all created this to come together (he wasn't referring to the alternate timeline)
-The fact that some in the church didn't actually die. Some died on the island, some stayed on the island, some left the island
-The final scene on the beach with the plane wreckage with no one around.

The only curve ball could be that this "purgatory church" and the statement "we all die sometime" and the fact that kate was dressed differently inside the church than outside, could indicate that they all died at different times and came together to go to heaven together, but that theory has flaws too.

As the guy from the star wrote: it really seemed like the writers didn't have a clue as to what the story actually was and or how to end it.

Again, they said they'd answer a lot of questions and they lied. IMO they didn't. It was a copout ending plain and simple. Even if the entire series WAS a sort of purgatory, that is back to the dallas copout (the baddest of all time) "they woke up and it was all a dream".

It was entertaining, and I don't mind cliffhanger endings, but anyone and I do mean ANYONE can write a bunch of disjointed segments with no rhyme/reason/cohesion.

I compared this to the sopranos: in the end we only had to decide whether tony lived or died. We didn't have to figure out if he: was married, or not, italian or not, actually in the mafia or not, had kids or not, if AJ was his or the milkman's, was he ever alive or not, etc etc.

Sorry to sound arrogant, but I knew they'd pull something like this. They had to. They couldn't come up with a logical ending to an illogical storyline.

As for the commercials: thank GOD for PVR!!!!!!!
 

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Yes they all did die, but not at the same time that Jack did; they all died afterward.

Jack’s father makes reference to that point about the church being an afterlife created by the survivors so they could find one another, independent of the time at which they died, and move on to "the next phase" together.

Each person is only aware of their concept of time; it’s why Hurley and Linus have that quick conversation about each one being a good “Number 1” or “Number 2” to each other; which means they lived their lives protecting the Island long after Jack’s death on the beach.
I agree that this is a possibility, but this "theory" has been used in other movies etc. The problem with it is that those that survived went on to lead lives outside the "island". They would have all (except for the dentist and his wife because they stayed on the island) met others, probably fallen in love, had kids etc. So who do they "meet in purgatory"? Their past loves? their future loves? Their new family?

For eg: many movies have been written where a character meets someone, falls in love, then dies somewhere along the way stating "I'll wait for you", then their spouse goes on to marry and love someone else. So, is the heaven theory that you only get to spend eternity with your FIRST love? what happens when your second love dies?

See, the problem with the church being purgatory, and the island being a real adventure, is that Jack would have to have died after Kate, Sawyer, Miles etc. But he didn't. He died watching them leave the island on the plane. That theory would have made more sense if he was in the church and was waiting for Kate, Sawyer etc to show up.

Seriously, I know I harp on this a lot, but I think the writers were more concerned with what looked good dramatically as opposed to what made sense to the story. I don't think they concerned themselves with things like plot, continuity, etc.

I equate Lost to a musician writing a song. One stanza has a 3/4 beat, the other a 1/4, the other a 4/4, one has an electric guitar, one has accoustic, one has kettle drums, the other bongos. Oh and lets put one bar of bagpipes right here. It'd sound like a dog's breakfast and play just like this series did.

A good example of this: You're watching the movie "the notebook", right at the scene where you see James Garner reading to his wife, they cut to a scene at a drag strip and don garletts is racing Don Prudhomme and they blast down the track. Then they cut back to the bedroom scene.....you'd go WTF was that?
 

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See, the problem with the church being purgatory, and the island being a real adventure, is that Jack would have to have died after Kate, Sawyer, Miles etc. But he didn't. He died watching them leave the island on the plane. That theory would have made more sense if he was in the church and was waiting for Kate, Sawyer etc to show up.
Purgatory is like the "Nexus" in Star Trek: Generations. Time has no meaning there. ..... I swear I'm not a Trekie
 

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Purgatory is like the "Nexus" in Star Trek: Generations. Time has no meaning there. ..... I swear I'm not a Trekie
Yeah, someone mentioned that on another board.....but my theory about future loves etc still holds true. So, no matter what happened to them after they left the island, they'd still end up back with the island group?

Plus, where the hell was Michael? He was on the Jimmy Kimmel show so he should have been in the church (or did I miss him?).

Someone mentioned that Christian said to Jack: some died before you, some after but I don't remember that line, anyone else hear that???
 

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Totally SUCKED. Waste of 6 years.

They left so many questions un-answered. They made so many mistakes.... UGHHHHH
 

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Total cop-out to an otherwise great show

In contrast to what other posters believe, the Losties did not die after the original plane crash. Everything was "real" except for the sideways flashbacks of season 6.

I am a huge fan of this show but the finale was a major cop-out. I hate, hated, hate any movies that end with "it was just a dream", or they were actually dead (Jacob's Ladder, Vanilla sky). The central question of this season was wether or not the bomb actually changed the future and therefore is the alternate reality presented, the changed future or not. So, we find out it wasn't. It was a purgatory where the Losties were all dead but slowly remembering their past lives. Complete religious bullshit.

In the earlier seasons, the black dude with the stick said "everyone's gonna die" or something. That is how Lost should have ended. Everyone did die but in a totally wimped out way; they're all dead but it's so far into the future that they may have died happily in their old age in L.A. The only person that actually died was Jack and I guess, that smoke monster thing.

Why didn't they kill everyone off last night? Because of another cop out. They made the potential of future seasons possible just like the Sopranos. They can make more seasons of Lost where the fat dude is Jacob and the psycho nerd is in charge.

People will argue the reason it ended in a religious afterlife scenario is because the central theme was religion versus science and religion won (Jack, the man of science realizes that Lock, the man of faith was right). But I call bullshit.

One more thing: they ripped off the series finale of 6 feet under where everybody in the series dies but focusses on Claires death (replace Claire with Jack).
 
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