Leafs '22/'23 Thread
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It's a terrible trade idea that makes no sense for Chicago based on where they are.
I make no comment on Marner.
Instead you say I am bias.
Thankfully you added that 3rd round pick - because that's really going to sway things. Maybe add a 4th as well next time and I will say brilliant trade!
With the value - Marner is a very good player, but Bedard has more upside. That is not really debatable. Sure he can fail to meet it, but the odds are very high that he reaches where Marner at, and the odds are quite good that he takes it another tier.
And are you calling Marner a guaranteed superstar right now or even ever? A superstar is a top 5 player in the league, and no Marner is not that (he is never been higher than 19th in the Hart). He is really good though. Oops, that must be my Montreal bias.
As for the timeline.
Bedard costs $10m less for the next 3 years (that's a lot of additional cap moves for Chicago)
Bedard has contract control for 7 years -- Marner for 2.
Bedard will be about 22 or 23 when Chicago starts to build up a strong supporting core. Marner will be about 30-31. That's pretty significant.
But they that 3rd round pick!
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As we see with McDavid and Matthews even a superstar is no guarantee of team success. Ok, maybe team success in the sense that the Oilers and Leafs would be worse than they currently are without them. Plus, their huge salaries are a drag on the cap space.
So then Shanny should be President and GM. Forget hiring a GM.
Report: NHLPA examining relationship between ex-Leafs GM Kyle Dubas and agent for possible violation
Kyle Dubas is represented by Wasserman's Chris Armstrong, who is not a certified hockey agent.
ca.sports.yahoo.com
According to this article Dubas’s agent works for Wasserman who represents Matthews.
As always these agents fuck up the Leafs. Matthews is going to ask for close to $15M.
Report: NHLPA examining relationship between ex-Leafs GM Kyle Dubas and agent for possible violation
Kyle Dubas is represented by Wasserman's Chris Armstrong, who is not a certified hockey agent.
According to this article Dubas’s agent works for Wasserman who represents Matthews.
He hired Dubas a rookie so that he had full control. Dubas does all the leg work and he gives approval or veto. Why would he want the GM title when he already has the power without doing the grunt work. Dubas was on an expiring contract. He was trading for his life. He would have mortgaged the future even more if he had free rein.
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I sensed another Gord Stellick-Ballard situation from the start. A paperboy with the title of GM.
Well, far from a paper boy. Dubas did a lot of work. It's not like he was doing nothing or didn't make decisions. Shanahan would not know how to do a GM job I don't think. It's like would your boss want to do your job? I know for certain my boss would not know how to do my job. This is not like all the armchair quarterbacks out there where it's so simple. Trade anyone and get a boat load back and win all trades. Just because Shanahan oversees Dubas and vetos some of his recommendations doesn't mean Shanahan can do the job of a GM.
Things you don't know how to do you hire someone. You get referrals which is how Dubas arrived for Shanahan originally. Shanahan is also not the owner so the Ballard comparison is not apt. Shanahan is also trying to build a winner whereas Ballard was not trying to build a winner. I don't think Dubas was entirely incompetent either. Shanahan relied on him and would have continued to rely on him if not for the fallout. The Leafs made the playoffs every year under him. They lost all their Game 7's. They weren't that far off and Covid hurt them.
During Dubas time Panthers never got past the 2nd round until this year and this year they made the playoffs by 1 point. They needed Pittsburgh to lose their last game to Chicago. They were that close to being considered a failure. Tkatchuk never got past the 2nd round with Calgary and missed the playoffs 2 years. Calgary actually had more points than Florida this season.
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