Israel at war

[xmontrealer]

So do YOU think that a 2-state solution is acceptable from an Israeli point of view when an Arab state - in this case Gaza - becomes a base for terror attacks on Israel???!

Even if you're stupid enough to deflect the massive evidence on 7 October, you still have the incessant rocket attacks.

I'm Israeli, I'm saying that the 2-state experiment gets my people killed. So it's now off the table.

At the start of the current conflict I thought a 2-state solution might be possible. Even if Israel giving up a reasonable amount of land had to be part of the deal.

I now have to agree that a 2 state solution is unacceptable. Primarily because the Palestinians have shown time and time again they cannot be trusted.

IN 2005 Israel withdrew from Gaza. The Palestinians then had a chance to modernize and build a prosperous country, especially with the billions of dollars they received in foreign aid and donations. Well. we all know where the bulk of that money went. Instead of directly benefiting the citizens of Gaza it went to enrich the leaders of Hamas, build a network of tunnels under Gaza, and buy weapons to be used against Israel.

Even in the most recent ceasefire Hamas reneged on the hostage deal, which scuttled any extension of the ceasefire. As the old saying goes "Fool Israel once, shame on the Palestinians. Fool Israel 7 times, shame on Israel!"

The only solution to this, if it is even possible, is to cripple Hamas so badly that it will be a very long time before they will consider attacking Israel again.

 

[Frankfooter]

Far more likely to have been scared young soldiers who had been fired at all day by snipers and were trigger-happy and nervous.

In the last day or so, you and Frankie have shown a persistently annoying Palestinian "journalist" goading some IDF guys into eventually beating him up and a friendly fire incident as proof of Israeli brutality. This is Trump and Giuliani level silliness. The incidents prove nothing of the sort.

As I said to your buddy, there are serious, adult conversations about what is happening in Gaza, you guys are just not getting to them. Instead you throw around this high school student stuff.

60 journalists have been killed and you say that's 'high school' stuff.
Yesterday an Al Jazeera reporter was shot and the IDF snipers made sure nobody could help him so he bled out over 5 hours on the ground, while wearing a Press vest.

Yesterday Israelis shot 3 hostages who were wearing Hijabs and holding white flags, this is apparently an order to shoot civilians now.

Israeli sniper kills mother and daughter in Gaza church: Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem

The Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem says an Israeli sniper shot dead two Christian women at the Holy Family Parish in Gaza, where the majority of Christian families have taken refuge since October 7.

This was just reported an hour ago.
Israel bulldozed refugee tents with occupants inside
Israeli forces bulldozed the tents of displaced people at Kamal Adwan Hospital square and killed those inside, according to Al Jazeera.
More than 20 bodies of Palestinian are now said to be lying on the ground in the Kamal Adwan Hospital square after being run over by Israeli bulldozers.

More silly 'high school' stuff mandrill?

 

[mandrill]

The other racist shoe drops.

There's nothing racist about what I said. It's security analysis.

Israel gave Gaza to the Palis. They held an election and chose Hamas, knowing that Hamas' Charter had a mission statement of destruction of Israel. There was an armed conflict between Hamas and the PA and Hamas won, after throwing various rivals off apartment building roofs.

Hamas has attacked Israel consistently since that time. On 7 October, a line was crossed. Hamas has become too dangerous and vicious to be tolerated any longer and must be stamped out. It's a matter of self defence for Israel.

Does Israel take the risk of allowing another election in Gaza and having a Hamas clone win again?..... Of course not. Who would take that risk??!?!?

 

[Frankfooter]

So do YOU think that a 2-state solution is acceptable from an Israeli point of view when an Arab state - in this case Gaza - becomes a base for terror attacks on Israel???!

Even if you're stupid enough to deflect the massive evidence on 7 October, you still have the incessant rocket attacks.

I'm Israeli, I'm saying that the 2-state experiment gets my people killed. So it's now off the table.

And there you have it.

That leaves you backing apartheid, genocide or ethnic cleansing or a combo of all of the above.
That's the only option left once you eliminate the two state solution.
Once that's gone Israel is exposed as the racist pariah state it really is and its supporters are exposed as the most hateful Islamaphobes around.

So many people have been saying the two state solution is dead for so long now but the lie that it was there allowed people like basketcase to pretend they weren't pushing apartheid. But now it becomes clear that apartheid isn't the end goal, that genocide or ethnic cleansing is really the end goal.
You think that's a winning strategy?

There is ‘absolutely no’ chance of a two-state solution because Israel killed it

“Why are you obsessed with a two-state solution?” said Tzipi Hotovely, the Israeli ambassador to the UK during a Sky interview this week, snapping at the journalist for pressing her...

www.middleeastmonitor.com

 

[mandrill]

60 journalists have been killed and you say that's 'high school' stuff.
Yesterday an Al Jazeera reporter was shot and the IDF snipers made sure nobody could help him so he bled out over 5 hours on the ground, while wearing a Press vest.

Yesterday Israelis shot 3 hostages who were wearing Hijabs and holding white flags, this is apparently an order to shoot civilians now.

Israeli sniper kills mother and daughter in Gaza church: Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem
The Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem says an Israeli sniper shot dead two Christian women at the Holy Family Parish in Gaza, where the majority of Christian families have taken refuge since October 7.

This was just reported an hour ago.
Israel bulldozed refugee tents with occupants inside
Israeli forces bulldozed the tents of displaced people at Kamal Adwan Hospital square and killed those inside, according to Al Jazeera.
More than 20 bodies of Palestinian are now said to be lying on the ground in the Kamal Adwan Hospital square after being run over by Israeli bulldozers.

More silly 'high school' stuff mandrill?

Frankie. It's a war zone. Lots of people are getting killed. It's scary as fuck to be a front line soldier. They're being sniped at. Their adversaries don't wear uniforms. All sorts of shit is happening.

I'm sorry, Frankie. Not everything out there is a vegan brunch in your nice Cabbagetown coop boardroom where everyone is polite and careful not to take too much of that politically correct Guatemalan indigenous gazpacho without offering it first to the trans members of the coop to be inclusionary.

 

[mandrill]

And there you have it.

That leaves you backing apartheid, genocide or ethnic cleansing or a combo of all of the above.
That's the only option left once you eliminate the two state solution.
Once that's gone Israel is exposed as the racist pariah state it really is and its supporters are exposed as the most hateful Islamaphobes around.

So many people have been saying the two state solution is dead for so long now but the lie that it was there allowed people like basketcase to pretend they weren't pushing apartheid. But now it becomes clear that apartheid isn't the end goal, that genocide or ethnic cleansing is really the end goal.
You think that's a winning strategy?

There is ‘absolutely no’ chance of a two-state solution because Israel killed it

“Why are you obsessed with a two-state solution?” said Tzipi Hotovely, the Israeli ambassador to the UK during a Sky interview this week, snapping at the journalist for pressing her...

www.middleeastmonitor.com

Frankie, if Hamas had actually governed Gaza competently, built up industries and commerce, had free elections, not stolen foreign aid and used it to buy rockets and not attacked and tortured Israelis every couple of weeks, it could all have been so different.

But you got to live in the world as it is, not the world you wished had been.

 

[mandrill]

Those poor bunnies.

But, here we go again….Israeli’s incapable of taking responsibility. It seems to be a national syndrome.

They want complete authority without responsibility, That’s pure Trump and Giuliani. Drunk on racist entitlement.

You've never been in the army, have you?

Ever know anyone who's been in the army?

 

[Klatuu]

Frankie. It's a war zone. Lots of people are getting killed. It's scary as fuck to be a front line soldier. They're being sniped at. Their adversaries don't wear uniforms. All sorts of shit is happening.

I'm sorry, Frankie. Not everything out there is a vegan brunch in your nice Cabbagetown coop boardroom where everyone is polite and careful not to take too much of that politically correct Guatemalan indigenous gazpacho without offering it first to the trans members of the coop to be inclusionary.

Every one of your posts, Mandy, has a “Israel is not responsible“ logic. Israel is never, ever responsible. Because anyone responsible is accountable….and that’s the last thing an Israeli supporter can cope with. Just like Trump and Giuliani.

 

[Leimonis]

There's nothing racist about what I said. It's security analysis.

Israel gave Gaza to the Palis. They held an election and chose Hamas, knowing that Hamas' Charter had a mission statement of destruction of Israel. There was an armed conflict between Hamas and the PA and Hamas won, after throwing various rivals off apartment building roofs.

Hamas has attacked Israel consistently since that time. On 7 October, a line was crossed. Hamas has become too dangerous and vicious to be tolerated any longer and must be stamped out. It's a matter of self defence for Israel.

Does Israel take the risk of allowing another election in Gaza and having a Hamas clone win again?..... Of course not. Who would take that risk??!?!?

Israel simply has no other choice but try to continue the status quo even if it means keeping Palestinians behind the fence in Gaza indefinitely.
Israelis are stuck between the river and the sea and they have nowhere to go.
All the idiotic whining about the end of apartheid only means that Jews have to leave or die. Is it really surprising they don’t want to do neither?

 

[Klatuu]

There's nothing racist about what I said. It's security analysis.

Israel gave Gaza to the Palis. They held an election and chose Hamas, knowing that Hamas' Charter had a mission statement of destruction of Israel. There was an armed conflict between Hamas and the PA and Hamas won, after throwing various rivals off apartment building roofs.

Hamas has attacked Israel consistently since that time. On 7 October, a line was crossed. Hamas has become too dangerous and vicious to be tolerated any longer and must be stamped out. It's a matter of self defence for Israel.

Does Israel take the risk of allowing another election in Gaza and having a Hamas clone win again?..... Of course not. Who would take that risk??!?!?

My god, another post devoid of Israeli responsibility ….but with endless references to Palestinian responsibility. How frigging infantile.

 

[Frankfooter]

At the start of the current conflict I thought a 2-state solution might be possible. Even if Israel giving up a reasonable amount of land had to be part of the deal.

I now have to agree that a 2 state solution is unacceptable. Primarily because the Palestinians have shown time and time again they cannot be trusted.

IN 2005 Israel withdrew from Gaza. The Palestinians then had a chance to modernize and build a prosperous country, especially with the billions of dollars they received in foreign aid and donations. Well. we all know where the bulk of that money went. Instead of directly benefiting the citizens of Gaza it went to enrich the leaders of Hamas, build a network of tunnels under Gaza, and buy weapons to be used against Israel.

Even in the most recent ceasefire Hamas reneged on the hostage deal, which scuttled any extension of the ceasefire. As the old saying goes "Fool Israel once, shame on the Palestinians. Fool Israel 7 times, shame on Israel!"

The only solution to this, if it is even possible, is to cripple Hamas so badly that it will be a very long time before they will consider attacking Israel again.

Your solution is to use force and inflict enough death and destruction that Palestinians live in total submission under apartheid?
That is what you think is peace?

 

[Klatuu]

Israel simply has no other choice but try to continue the status quo even if it means keeping Palestinians behind the fence in Gaza indefinitely.
Israelis are stuck between the river and the sea and they have nowhere to go.
All the idiotic whining about the end of apartheid only means that Jews have to leave or die. Is it really surprising they don’t want to do neither?

Another Israel has no choice…..completely devoid of responsibility message. It’s a national syndrome.

 

[Frankfooter]

There's nothing racist about what I said. It's security analysis.

Israel gave Gaza to the Palis.

They 'gave' them a tiny part of what is supposed to be Palestine, where 75% of the population are stateless refugees?
That's fucked up, how incredibly colonialist that you think Israel was being generous in giving the indigenous people a giant concentration camp on a tiny sliver of their homeland.

They held an election and chose Hamas, knowing that Hamas' Charter had a mission statement of destruction of Israel. There was an armed conflict between Hamas and the PA and Hamas won, after throwing various rivals off apartment building roofs.

Hamas has attacked Israel consistently since that time. On 7 October, a line was crossed. Hamas has become too dangerous and vicious to be tolerated any longer and must be stamped out. It's a matter of self defence for Israel.

Does Israel take the risk of allowing another election in Gaza and having a Hamas clone win again?..... Of course not. Who would take that risk??!?!?

Israel's longterm goal has been to divide the Palestinians into Hamas and Fatah in order to avoid facing a unified Palestinian opposition, which is why Netanyahu funded them and considered them necessary. Hamas is consistently more popular than Abbas, who is seen as a witless sycophant and stooge of Israel.

Now you are arguing that there should be zero Palestinian government and it should be total apartheid with an even harder military edge.
That turns Israel into a pariah state, nice work. Without the pretence of the two state solution its just a much more evil form of South African apartheid.

You argue that Palestinians don't deserve elections, rights, safety and now argue that you just need more military force to keep them in place.

And you don't see that as racist?

 

[Frankfooter]

Frankie. It's a war zone. Lots of people are getting killed. It's scary as fuck to be a front line soldier. They're being sniped at. Their adversaries don't wear uniforms. All sorts of shit is happening.

I'm sorry, Frankie. Not everything out there is a vegan brunch in your nice Cabbagetown coop boardroom where everyone is polite and careful not to take too much of that politically correct Guatemalan indigenous gazpacho without offering it first to the trans members of the coop to be inclusionary.

There you go, one more step down into fascism.
First it was targeting civilians 'but Frankie, its a war zone'.
Now its targeting journalists, 'but Frankie, its a war zone'.
Bombing women and children, 'but Frankie, its a war zone'.
Starving 2.3 million people and depriving them of water and medical care, 'but Frankie, its a war zone'.
Allowing 350,000 people to become sick with no chance of medical care, 'but Frankie, its a war zone'.

How does one not see themselves change?

 

[Frankfooter]

Frankie, if Hamas had actually governed Gaza competently, built up industries and commerce, had free elections, not stolen foreign aid and used it to buy rockets and not attacked and tortured Israelis every couple of weeks, it could all have been so different.

But you got to live in the world as it is, not the world you wished had been.

Bullshit, mandrill.

Israel implemented the blockade 17 years ago and has since continued to take Palestinian land in the West Bank.
This was not Hamas.

 

[Frankfooter]

You've never been in the army, have you?

Ever know anyone who's been in the army?

Our resident expert, dinklemouse, said that shack and the Israel supporters were too disgusting for him and left the thread.
Your previous experience in the Boer War is not something you should brag about.

 

[Leimonis]

Another Israel has no choice…..completely devoid of responsibility message. It’s a national syndrome.

why are we not demanding responsibility from USA for taking California from Mexico?
Oh maybe it's because Mexicans decided that terrorism is not a solution and simply built a country where they could instead of playing victims and begging the world for money for 75 years

 

[Frankfooter]

Holy shit, I have to say.

Shack
Mandrill
Leimonis
XMontrealer

All four have confirmed that they think Israel is apartheid and needs to be more brutally apartheid for 'peace' today.

 

[Klatuu]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1736075292945314209

 

[Klatuu]

Holy shit, I have to say.

Shack
Mandrill
Leimonis
XMontrealer

All four have confirmed that they think Israel is apartheid and needs to be more brutally apartheid for 'peace' today.

But remember, Israel has no responsibility or choice…..and they have complete authority.