Israel at war

[mandrill]

Unbelievable. Out of control rage and murderers.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-hostages-killed-mistakenly-gaza-were-holding-white-flag-official-says-2023-12-16/

Far more likely to have been scared young soldiers who had been fired at all day by snipers and were trigger-happy and nervous.

In the last day or so, you and Frankie have shown a persistently annoying Palestinian "journalist" goading some IDF guys into eventually beating him up and a friendly fire incident as proof of Israeli brutality. This is Trump and Giuliani level silliness. The incidents prove nothing of the sort.

As I said to your buddy, there are serious, adult conversations about what is happening in Gaza, you guys are just not getting to them. Instead you throw around this high school student stuff.

 

[mandrill]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1735830787092615432

So do YOU think that a 2-state solution is acceptable from an Israeli point of view when an Arab state - in this case Gaza - becomes a base for terror attacks on Israel???!

Even if you're stupid enough to deflect the massive evidence on 7 October, you still have the incessant rocket attacks.

I'm Israeli, I'm saying that the 2-state experiment gets my people killed. So it's now off the table.

 

[mandrill]

Unbelievable. Out of control rage and murderers.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-hostages-killed-mistakenly-gaza-were-holding-white-flag-official-says-2023-12-16/

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1736029200870478282

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1735985728813703490

 

[mandrill]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1735996221800513840

 

[mandrill]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1735146483920310580

 

[Klatuu]

Genocide Joe

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1736038481741135882

 

[Klatuu]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1735996166179811832

 

[Klatuu]

It’s not just Muslims, but Christians as well who need to be eradicated

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1736000549151965288

 

[Leimonis]

Good piece from bill maher

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1735886698360586367

 

[Klatuu]

Far more likely to have been scared young soldiers who had been fired at all day by snipers and were trigger-happy and nervous.

In the last day or so, you and Frankie have shown a persistently annoying Palestinian "journalist" goading some IDF guys into eventually beating him up and a friendly fire incident as proof of Israeli brutality. This is Trump and Giuliani level silliness. The incidents prove nothing of the sort.

As I said to your buddy, there are serious, adult conversations about what is happening in Gaza, you guys are just not getting to them. Instead you throw around this high school student stuff.

Those poor bunnies.

But, here we go again….Israeli’s incapable of taking responsibility. It seems to be a national syndrome.

They want complete authority without responsibility, That’s pure Trump and Giuliani. Drunk on racist entitlement.

 

[Klatuu]

I'm Israeli, I'm saying that the 2-state experiment gets my people killed. So it's now off the table.

The other racist shoe drops.

 

[Frankfooter]

You support the massacre of Oct. 7 by continually justifying Hamas' terrorist attack. You are happy that they killed 1,200.

Wrong - Hamas and all Palestinians have the right to self defence against an illegal occupation but its a war crime to target civilians, they should be investigated for those acts as should Israel. I am not happy anyone on either side has been killed, BDS and the end of apartheid is what I support, non violent end to the occupation.

You support Hamas when they say that was only the 1st attack. You have never denounced those statements.

Wrong - I support a ceasefire and sanctions to end apartheid. Hamas and Palestinians have a right to self defence given Israel has refused all peace talks and continues to steal their land. But BDS and sanctions is my preference, that's what I support.

You support "Hamas' declaration of "from the river to the sea", which is an explicit call to eradicate Jews.

Wrong - you intentionally trying to claim a declaration for freedom and human rights means genocide.

You support Hamas' use of human shields.

Wrong - There is no evidence that is happening but there is increasing evidence Israel are again using human shields.

You call for BDS, which will take years to have any effect. Yet you refuse to acknowledge that a Hamas surrender and release of hostages immediately stops the violence. There is no other strategy that comes remotely close to stopping the violence as quickly. In fact even with a Hamas surrender you can still have your BDS and it will be the same timeline for it to work. You don't support that. The ONLY POSSIBLE CONCLUSION is that you don't care if more Palestinians die.

Wrong - only a ceasefire and negotiations will return the hostages as Netanyahu already proved. He also just shot three hostages holding white flags, clearly he wants them and all Palestinians dead.

I suspect your response will be to attack me and the things I've said or didn't say. You know what? That only means that you are not disagreeing with me. You cannot prove that my statements are incorrect, and that is what making you so obviously angry. You're just trying to create an equivalency with me. Do you think that we're morally equivalent?

No, I back equal rights for all regardless of race, you back racist, colonialism implemented through apartheid and genocide. Polar opposites, buddy.

Here's a suggestion. Why don't you try disputing what I've said point by point. Prove that my conclusions of you are based on anything than a logical path based on your positions. Tell us in a remotely plausible way why you are against Hamas' surrender when it is the fastest way to end the violence. They are clearly losing. Why delay the inevitable when you can save Palestinian lives now. What could possibly a believable reason?

Done, now any referral to claims I said anything else will be referred to this post with a further POS label applied.

You can denigrate me in a separate post.

As you wish.

As you've noticed, I have not lowered myself to your level of profanity laced rhetoric and fury. As the saying goes, "never argue with........they'll only beat you with experience".

I am sincerely apologetic if I have upset your sensibilities in the slightest. It would be the furthest thing my actual intent.

Then back to the regular news.

Israel bulldozed refugee tents with occupants inside
Israeli forces bulldozed the tents of displaced people at Kamal Adwan Hospital square and killed those inside, according to Al Jazeera.
More than 20 bodies of Palestinian are now said to be lying on the ground in the Kamal Adwan Hospital square after being run over by Israeli bulldozers.

 

[Frankfooter]

What is truly disgusting is frank's blatant hypocrisy.

He supports the Oct. 7 attack and he full well knew in advance that there would be reprisals and that Palestinian civilians would suffer. But now that these reprisals are happening in real life he whining about them. I have the utmost sympathy for innocent civilians, but it does not mean that I am not allowed to expose his hypocrisy.

Sorry if you are offended that your HIGH PRIEST OF HATE is being challenged.

You're lying again, as noted here:

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/israel-at-war.830323/post-8302593

Israel is now shifting their position into admission that apartheid and ethnic cleansing have always been their goal.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1735786112654729599

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1735752634353451234

 

[xmontrealer]

So do YOU think that a 2-state solution is acceptable from an Israeli point of view when an Arab state - in this case Gaza - becomes a base for terror attacks on Israel???!

Even if you're stupid enough to deflect the massive evidence on 7 October, you still have the incessant rocket attacks.

I'm Israeli, I'm saying that the 2-state experiment gets my people killed. So it's now off the table.

At the start of the current conflict I thought a 2-state solution might be possible. Even if Israel giving up a reasonable amount of land had to be part of the deal.

I now have to agree that a 2 state solution is unacceptable. Primarily because the Palestinians have shown time and time again they cannot be trusted.

IN 2005 Israel withdrew from Gaza. The Palestinians then had a chance to modernize and build a prosperous country, especially with the billions of dollars they received in foreign aid and donations. Well. we all know where the bulk of that money went. Instead of directly benefiting the citizens of Gaza it went to enrich the leaders of Hamas, build a network of tunnels under Gaza, and buy weapons to be used against Israel.

Even in the most recent ceasefire Hamas reneged on the hostage deal, which scuttled any extension of the ceasefire. As the old saying goes "Fool Israel once, shame on the Palestinians. Fool Israel 7 times, shame on Israel!"

The only solution to this, if it is even possible, is to cripple Hamas so badly that it will be a very long time before they will consider attacking Israel again.

 

[Frankfooter]

Far more likely to have been scared young soldiers who had been fired at all day by snipers and were trigger-happy and nervous.

In the last day or so, you and Frankie have shown a persistently annoying Palestinian "journalist" goading some IDF guys into eventually beating him up and a friendly fire incident as proof of Israeli brutality. This is Trump and Giuliani level silliness. The incidents prove nothing of the sort.

As I said to your buddy, there are serious, adult conversations about what is happening in Gaza, you guys are just not getting to them. Instead you throw around this high school student stuff.

60 journalists have been killed and you say that's 'high school' stuff.
Yesterday an Al Jazeera reporter was shot and the IDF snipers made sure nobody could help him so he bled out over 5 hours on the ground, while wearing a Press vest.

Yesterday Israelis shot 3 hostages who were wearing Hijabs and holding white flags, this is apparently an order to shoot civilians now.

Israeli sniper kills mother and daughter in Gaza church: Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem

The Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem says an Israeli sniper shot dead two Christian women at the Holy Family Parish in Gaza, where the majority of Christian families have taken refuge since October 7.

This was just reported an hour ago.
Israel bulldozed refugee tents with occupants inside
Israeli forces bulldozed the tents of displaced people at Kamal Adwan Hospital square and killed those inside, according to Al Jazeera.
More than 20 bodies of Palestinian are now said to be lying on the ground in the Kamal Adwan Hospital square after being run over by Israeli bulldozers.

More silly 'high school' stuff mandrill?

 

[mandrill]

The other racist shoe drops.

There's nothing racist about what I said. It's security analysis.

Israel gave Gaza to the Palis. They held an election and chose Hamas, knowing that Hamas' Charter had a mission statement of destruction of Israel. There was an armed conflict between Hamas and the PA and Hamas won, after throwing various rivals off apartment building roofs.

Hamas has attacked Israel consistently since that time. On 7 October, a line was crossed. Hamas has become too dangerous and vicious to be tolerated any longer and must be stamped out. It's a matter of self defence for Israel.

Does Israel take the risk of allowing another election in Gaza and having a Hamas clone win again?..... Of course not. Who would take that risk??!?!?

 

[Frankfooter]

So do YOU think that a 2-state solution is acceptable from an Israeli point of view when an Arab state - in this case Gaza - becomes a base for terror attacks on Israel???!

Even if you're stupid enough to deflect the massive evidence on 7 October, you still have the incessant rocket attacks.

I'm Israeli, I'm saying that the 2-state experiment gets my people killed. So it's now off the table.

And there you have it.

That leaves you backing apartheid, genocide or ethnic cleansing or a combo of all of the above.
That's the only option left once you eliminate the two state solution.
Once that's gone Israel is exposed as the racist pariah state it really is and its supporters are exposed as the most hateful Islamaphobes around.

So many people have been saying the two state solution is dead for so long now but the lie that it was there allowed people like basketcase to pretend they weren't pushing apartheid. But now it becomes clear that apartheid isn't the end goal, that genocide or ethnic cleansing is really the end goal.
You think that's a winning strategy?

There is ‘absolutely no’ chance of a two-state solution because Israel killed it

“Why are you obsessed with a two-state solution?” said Tzipi Hotovely, the Israeli ambassador to the UK during a Sky interview this week, snapping at the journalist for pressing her on the internat…

www.middleeastmonitor.com

 

[mandrill]

60 journalists have been killed and you say that's 'high school' stuff.
Yesterday an Al Jazeera reporter was shot and the IDF snipers made sure nobody could help him so he bled out over 5 hours on the ground, while wearing a Press vest.

Yesterday Israelis shot 3 hostages who were wearing Hijabs and holding white flags, this is apparently an order to shoot civilians now.

Israeli sniper kills mother and daughter in Gaza church: Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem
The Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem says an Israeli sniper shot dead two Christian women at the Holy Family Parish in Gaza, where the majority of Christian families have taken refuge since October 7.

This was just reported an hour ago.
Israel bulldozed refugee tents with occupants inside
Israeli forces bulldozed the tents of displaced people at Kamal Adwan Hospital square and killed those inside, according to Al Jazeera.
More than 20 bodies of Palestinian are now said to be lying on the ground in the Kamal Adwan Hospital square after being run over by Israeli bulldozers.

More silly 'high school' stuff mandrill?

Frankie. It's a war zone. Lots of people are getting killed. It's scary as fuck to be a front line soldier. They're being sniped at. Their adversaries don't wear uniforms. All sorts of shit is happening.

I'm sorry, Frankie. Not everything out there is a vegan brunch in your nice Cabbagetown coop boardroom where everyone is polite and careful not to take too much of that politically correct Guatemalan indigenous gazpacho without offering it first to the trans members of the coop to be inclusionary.

 

[mandrill]

And there you have it.

That leaves you backing apartheid, genocide or ethnic cleansing or a combo of all of the above.
That's the only option left once you eliminate the two state solution.
Once that's gone Israel is exposed as the racist pariah state it really is and its supporters are exposed as the most hateful Islamaphobes around.

So many people have been saying the two state solution is dead for so long now but the lie that it was there allowed people like basketcase to pretend they weren't pushing apartheid. But now it becomes clear that apartheid isn't the end goal, that genocide or ethnic cleansing is really the end goal.
You think that's a winning strategy?

There is ‘absolutely no’ chance of a two-state solution because Israel killed it

“Why are you obsessed with a two-state solution?” said Tzipi Hotovely, the Israeli ambassador to the UK during a Sky interview this week, snapping at the journalist for pressing her on the internat…

www.middleeastmonitor.com

Frankie, if Hamas had actually governed Gaza competently, built up industries and commerce, had free elections, not stolen foreign aid and used it to buy rockets and not attacked and tortured Israelis every couple of weeks, it could all have been so different.

But you got to live in the world as it is, not the world you wished had been.

 

[mandrill]

Those poor bunnies.

But, here we go again….Israeli’s incapable of taking responsibility. It seems to be a national syndrome.

They want complete authority without responsibility, That’s pure Trump and Giuliani. Drunk on racist entitlement.

You've never been in the army, have you?

Ever know anyone who's been in the army?