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Hey hammy, how many of these UNSC resolutions on Israel have been honoured?
United Nations Security Council resolutions
United Nations Security Council resolutions are as follows:

  1. Resolution 42: The Palestine Question (5 March 1948) Requests recommendations for the Palestine Commission
  2. Resolution 43: The Palestine Question (1 Apr 1948) Recognizes "increasing violence and disorder in Palestine" and requests that representatives of "the Jewish Agency for Palestine and the Arab Higher Committee" arrange, with the Security Council, "a truce between the Arab and Jewish Communities of Palestine ... Calls upon Arab and Jewish armed groups in Palestine to cease acts of violence immediately."
  3. Resolution 44: The Palestine Question (1 Apr 1948) Requests convocation of special session of the General Assembly
  4. Resolution 46: The Palestine Question (17 Apr 1948) As the United Kingdom is the Mandatory Power, "it is responsible for the maintenance of peace and order in Palestine." The Resolutions also "Calls upon all persons and organizations in Palestine" to stop importing "armed bands and fighting personnel ... whatever their origin; ... weapons and war materials; ... Refrain, pending the future government of Palestine...from any political activity which might prejudice the rights, claims, or position of either community; ... refrain from any action which will endanger the safety of the Holy Places in Palestine."
  5. Resolution 48: 23 April 1948, calls on all concerned parties to comply with UNSC Resolution 46 and establishes a Truce Commission for Palestine to assist the SC in implementing the truce. Approved 8–0, abstentions from Colombia, Ukrainian SSR and USSR.
  6. Resolution 49: 22 May 1948 issues a cease-fire order to come into effect at noon, 24 May 1948, New York City local time. Orders the Truce Commission for Palestine previously set up to report on compliance. Adopted by 8–0, abstentions from Ukrainian SSR, USSR and Syria.
  7. Resolution 50: 29 May 1948, calls for a four-week ceasefire covering Palestine, Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Transjordan and Yemen. Urges all to protect the Holy Places and Jerusalem. Offers the UN Mediator as many military observers as necessary. Further violations and the council would consider action under Chapter VII of the UN Charter. Adopted in parts; no voting on the resolution as a whole.
  8. Resolution 53: The Palestine Question (7 Jul 1948)
  9. Resolution 54: The Palestine Question (15 Jul 1948)
  10. Resolution 56: The Palestine Question (19 Aug 1948)
  11. Resolution 57: The Palestine Question (18 Sep 1948)
  12. Resolution 59: The Palestine Question (19 Oct 1948)
  13. Resolution 60: The Palestine Question (29 Oct 1948)
  14. Resolution 61: The Palestine Question (4 Nov 1948)
  15. Resolution 62: The Palestine Question (16 Nov 1948)
  16. Resolution 66: The Palestine Question (29 Dec 1948)
  17. Resolution 69: Israel's admission to the UN (4 Mar 1949)
  18. Resolution 72: The Palestine Question (11 Aug 1949)
  19. Resolution 73: The Palestine Question (11 Aug 1949)
  20. Resolution 89 (17 November 1950): regarding Armistice in 1948 Arab–Israeli War and "transfer of persons".
  21. Resolution 92: The Palestine Question (8 May 1951)
  22. Resolution 93: The Palestine Question (18 May 1951)
  23. Resolution 95: The Palestine Question (1 Sep 1951)
  24. Resolution 100: The Palestine Question (27 Oct 1953)
  25. Resolution 101: The Palestine Question (24 Nov 1953)
  26. Resolution 106: The Palestine Question (29 Mar 1955) 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid.
  27. Resolution 107: The Palestine Question (30 March)
  28. Resolution 108: The Palestine Question (8 September)
  29. Resolution 111: The Palestine Question (19 January 1956) " ... 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
  30. Resolution 113: The Palestine Question (4 April)
  31. Resolution 114: The Palestine Question (4 June)
  32. Resolution 127: The Palestine Question (22 January 1958) " ... 'recommends' Israel suspends its 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
  33. Resolution 138: (23 June 1960) Question relating to the case of Israel's capture of Adolf Eichmann, concerning Argentina's complaint that Israel breached its sovereignty.
  34. Resolution 162: The Palestine Question (11 April 1961) " ... 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
  35. Resolution 171: The Palestine Question (9 April 1962) " ... determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
  36. Resolution 228: The Palestine Question (25 November 1966) " ... 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
  37. Resolution 233 Six-Day War (6 June 1967)
  38. Resolution 234 Six-Day War (7 June 1967)
  39. Resolution 235 Six-Day War (9 June 1967)
  40. Resolution 236 Six-Day War (11 June 1967)
  41. Resolution 237: Six-Day War 14 June 1967) " ... 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees". and called on Israel to ensure the safety and welfare of inhabitants of areas where fighting had taken place.
  42. Resolution 240 (25 October 1967): concerning violations of the cease-fire
  43. Resolution 242 (22 November 1967): Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area. Calls on Israel's neighbors to end the state of belligerency and calls upon Israel to reciprocate by withdraw its forces from land claimed by other parties in 1967 war. Interpreted commonly today as calling for the land for peace principle as a way to resolve Arab–Israeli conflict.
  44. Resolution 248: (24 March 1968) " ... 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
  45. Resolution 250: (27 April) " ... 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
  46. Resolution 251: (2 May) " ... 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".
  47. Resolution 252: (21 May) " ... 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".
  48. Resolution 256: (16 August) " ... 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".
  49. Resolution 258: (18 September) ... expressed 'concern' with the welfare of the inhabitants of the Israeli-occupied territories, and requested a special representative to be sent to report on the implementation of Resolution 237, and that Israel cooperate.
  50. Resolution 259: (27 September) " ... 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".
  51. Resolution 262: (31 December) " ... 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
  52. Resolution 265: (1 April 1969) " ... 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on Salt".
  53. Resolution 267: (3 July) " ... 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
  54. Resolution 270: (26 August) " ... 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".
  55. Resolution 271: (15 September) " ... 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".
  56. Resolution 279: (12 May 1970) "Demands the immediate withdrawal of all Israeli armed forces from Lebanese territory."(full text)
  57. Resolution 280: (19 May) " ... 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".
  58. Resolution 285: (5 September) " ... 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon".
  59. Resolution 298: (25 September 1971) " ... 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
  60. Resolution 313: (28 February 1972) " ... 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".
  61. Resolution 316: (26 June) " ... 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".
  62. Resolution 317: (21 July) " ... 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".
  63. Resolution 331: (20 April 1973)
  64. Resolution 332: (21 April) " ... 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".
  65. Resolution 337: (15 August) " ... 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty and territorial integrity and for the forcible diversion and seizure of a Lebanese airliner from Lebanon's air space"
Finally, you accept that when the UN reaches a decision they pass RESOLUTIONS.

Now find us the resolution declaring that Israel is an apartheid state, like they did with resolution #1761 in 1962 in regards to S. Africa's practices, or that Israel is committing genocide.

I can wait.
 
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Only the UNGA/SC passes binding resolutions and they have passed nothing like this in regards to Israel.

November 6, 1962
On November 6, 1962, the United Nations General Assembly adopts a resolution condemning South Africa’s racist apartheid policies and calling on all its members to end economic and military relations with the country.

Please show us such a resolution.
Why don't we start with UN 3379 - which states that zionism = racism

UNSC 237 - demands Israel allow all refugees to return.
1967

There are about 200 UNSC resolutions against Israel, do want to go through each of them and see how many Israel has honoured?
 

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Finally, you accept that when the UN reaches a decision they pass RESOLUTIONS.

Now find us the resolution declaring that Israel is an apartheid state, like they did with resolution #1761 in 1962 in regards to S. Africa's practices, or that Israel is committing genocide.

I can wait.
After Biden is done the US can kill the Negronte Doctrine.
Then you'll get your resolutions.
But the ICC and likely the ICJ will act before then.

What will you whine about after that happens?
 

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more here

Impressive. All those resolutions and not one that declares that Israel is practising apartheid or genocide.

As such, your attempts to accuse Israel of those things for the sole purpose of demonizing them and fomenting hate toward them is blatant and undeniable HATE SPEECH.
 

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Impressive. All those resolutions and not one that declares that Israel is practising apartheid or genocide.

As such, your attempts to accuse Israel of those things for the sole purpose of demonizing them and fomenting hate toward them is blatant and undeniable HATE SPEECH.
So first, you admit that Israel is a pariah state that has refused to abide by more UN resolutions than any other country.
You admit that the UN declared zionism = racism.
And you admit that the UN has reported that Israel is apartheid, the occupation illegal and Israel is committing genocide.

But your sole argument is that because the US has been able to veto UNSC resolutions that therefore Israel is totally righteous.
Moronic.





 
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So first, you admit that Israel is a pariah state that has refused to abide by more UN resolutions than any other country.
I'll respond to serious points. Try again.

The whole point of discussing binding resolutions is to prove or disprove your unending claims of genocide and apartheid by Israel. I am challenging those two claims and my evidence is that there are no such resolutions. As such those claims of yours are clearly false. You are fully aware of this but continue to attempt to foment hate against Israel based on those lies.

You need to stop making those claims.
 

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So first, you admit that Israel is a pariah state that has refused to abide by more UN resolutions than any other country.
You admit that the UN declared zionism = racism.
And you admit that the UN has reported that Israel is apartheid, the occupation illegal and Israel is committing genocide.
As I said, I will only address serious points of discussion.

But your sole argument is that because the US has been able to veto UNSC resolutions that therefore Israel is totally righteous.
Your sole tactic is to knowingly and falsely misinterpreting what others have said. As such, I refuse to reply to fallacious claims. Try again.
 

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From The New York Times today. Just to give the pro-Palestinians here some idea of how Hamas negotiates and how untrustworthy they truly are...

What to Know About the Gaps Between Israel and Hamas on the Cease-Fire Proposal
Hamas said it had accepted the terms of a cease-fire proposed by Arab mediators, but Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said it was “very far from Israel’s core demands.”

By Isabel Kershner
Reporting from Jerusalem
  • May 7, 2024, 4:34 p.m. ET

Israeli officials said on Tuesday that major gaps remained with Hamas over the latest proposal for a cease-fire in Gaza, as delegations from both sides arrived in Cairo to resume talks.
Hamas said on Monday that it had accepted the terms of a cease-fire proposed by Arab mediators, and U.S. officials said it had minor wording changes from a proposal that Israel and the United States had recently presented to the group.
But Israeli officials disputed that characterization, with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu saying on Tuesday that his war cabinet unanimously believed the proposal Hamas had agreed to was “very far from Israel’s core demands.”
The text of the revised proposal was circulating in Israeli news media on Tuesday and was confirmed as authentic by a senior Hamas official. A person briefed on the negotiations also described the differences in the two sides’ positions. Here are the key ones:
‘Sustainable calm’
The most substantive sticking point centers on a key phrase that appears in both the Israeli- and Hamas-approved proposals: a path to “sustainable calm.”
In the proposal that Israel approved, and that Egypt conveyed to the Hamas leadership on April 26, the two sides would work toward achieving a “sustainable calm” in Gaza after an initial six-week pause in fighting. That proposal left those two words open to interpretation.

But in the Hamas-approved proposal, that term is clearly defined as a permanent cessation of hostilities and a complete withdrawal of Israeli troops from the Gaza Strip.

Israel has consistently opposed any deal that explicitly calls for a permanent cease-fire or an end to the war, and has said it would not agree to either until it felt its military offensive had achieved its goals. Ehud Yaari, an Israel-based fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, said that the Hamas timetable would commit Israel to ending the war while Hamas still holds hostages, leaving Israel without any leverage.

Israel might have been willing to discuss ending the war later on in the process, but it would not commit to doing so from the outset, according to experts.
“If you sign the deal you are committing to all of it,” Mr. Yaari said.

Hostage releases
The first phase of a three-phase agreement would be the six-week pause in fighting, during which Israel would exchange hundreds of Palestinian prisoners and detainees in Israeli jails for 33 of the most vulnerable hostages held in Gaza. Those are all the women, including female soldiers, as well as older men and sick and injured people. Israel had lowered its initial demand for about 40 hostages in that category because it came to believe that only 33 remained alive, out of a total of 132 hostages still being held in Gaza.

But Hamas informed negotiators on Monday that not all of the 33 who would be freed in the first phase were still living, and that the remains of those who have died would be among the releases — a disclosure that surprised the Israelis.

In addition, Hamas has suggested a framework that would stretch out the hostage release by freeing three on the third day after the pause begins, then three more every seven days after that. An earlier proposal had three hostages being released every three days.

Prolonging the releases, analysts say, would mean that negotiations over the second phase of the deal — getting to a “sustainable calm” — would take place while Hamas held more bargaining chips. And Israelis also fear that committing to this situation would increase the possibility that more of the sickest hostages could die before they are released.

Israeli veto over prisoners
The proposal that Israel agreed to in April allowed it to veto the release of some of the Palestinian prisoners serving life sentences — those expected to be exchanged for Israeli soldiers being held hostage — from a list of 200 names. The proposal approved by Hamas removed any such Israeli right of refusal.

The Israeli government was largely portraying the start of its ground operation in Rafah as a means of putting pressure on the group to soften its negotiating stance. Hamas called the Israeli operation a “dangerous escalation” intended “to disrupt mediation efforts for a cease-fire and the release of prisoners.”

Still, as both sides sent delegations to Cairo on Tuesday for cease-fire talks, White House spokesman John F. Kirby said, “there should be no reason why they can’t overcome those remaining gaps.”

Julian E. Barnes, Adam Rasgon, Gabby Sobelman and Myra Noveck contributed reporting.
Thanks for keeping all of us fully informed of what is actually happening. The devil is in the details.
 
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Impressive. All those resolutions and not one that declares that Israel is practising apartheid or genocide.

As such, your attempts to accuse Israel of those things for the sole purpose of demonizing them and fomenting hate toward them is blatant and undeniable HATE SPEECH.
I'm starting to wonder how similar or dissimilar this is to 1930's Germany...

In 1933/34 while antisemitism was on the rise in Germany, most German Jews did not realize what was happening, and couldn't imagine how horrific it would become.

Until it was too late for most of them...
 

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Finally, you accept that when the UN reaches a decision they pass RESOLUTIONS.

Now find us the resolution declaring that Israel is an apartheid state, like they did with resolution #1761 in 1962 in regards to S. Africa's practices, or that Israel is committing genocide.

I can wait.
Deflection
 

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I'm starting to wonder how similar or dissimilar this is to 1930's Germany...

In 1933/34 while antisemitism was on the rise in Germany, most German Jews did not realize what was happening, and couldn't imagine how horrific it would become.

Until it was too late for most of them...
Brainwashed racism. Poor education
 
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There is one of your resolution you have been wanting.
Reading comprehension seems not to be one of your strong suits. That is not what I have been imploring you to provide.

You and Geno are claiming that Israel is currently committing genocide in in Gaza. But I say that the UN has not passed any resolutions substantiating that claim.

And now you presenting something from over 40 years ago also does nothing to prove your claim of current Israeli misdeeds..

But what it does prove is that you finally agree that it is UNGA or SC resolutions that are passed when the UN wants to make a binding declaration. Not a rapporteur report or a statement from the ICC or ICJ as you kept trying to get us to fall for. So at least we are headed in the right direction. We agree that resolutions are required.

So the task now, as it was before, is to find a UN resolution passed that supports your claim that Israel is currently committing genocide in Gaza and that they are practising apartheid.

Good luck, Mr. Phelps. It is indeed a Mission Impossible.
 

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Well there are similarities and dissimilarities.

The similarity is that in the 30s Zionists were massacring Palestinians then. They are masscring them now.

The dissimilarity is that while Jews suffered under fascist white supremacists in the west in the 30s, today they lead happy, safe lives thanks to a diverse Canada, especially a city that is majority POC.

Unreliable source. Plus the NYT has proven itself to be full of Zionist plants when they were exposed for false reporting regarding Hamas rapes.

On Isabel Kershner:

In her role reporting on Israeli-Palestinian issues, she has been accused of conflict of interest, as her son has served in the Israel Defense Forces,[4][5] and her husband is an employee of the Institute for National Security Studies, which is involved in promoting a positive image of Israel, and which Kershner often relies on as a source.[6][7]
Good work on Isabel Kershner. Plus all “sources “ are unnamed. A huge red flag in journalism
 
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I'll respond to serious points. Try again.

The whole point of discussing binding resolutions is to prove or disprove your unending claims of genocide and apartheid by Israel. I am challenging those two claims and my evidence is that there are no such resolutions. As such those claims of yours are clearly false. You are fully aware of this but continue to attempt to foment hate against Israel based on those lies.

You need to stop making those claims.
No, the whole point is that you have moved the goal posts to the tiniest spot you can find, knowing that the US regularly vetoes resolutions against Israel.
Its the last corner left for you, you have no other moral ground.

Its a tiny, self made, corner, painted in blood.

 
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I'm starting to wonder how similar or dissimilar this is to 1930's Germany...

In 1933/34 while antisemitism was on the rise in Germany, most German Jews did not realize what was happening, and couldn't imagine how horrific it would become.

Until it was too late for most of them...
Its amazing that you can pretzel your way into this rationalization.
Israel is the occupying power, they've been occupying Palestine for 75 years.
They've wiped it off the maps, turned Gaza into a concentration camp and now are bombing refugees and killing women and children, all backed by US money and bombs and a state of the art armory.

Israel is committing genocide on Palestinians and still you think zionists are the victims.
The repercussions coming to zionism are going to be legal and political, brought on by idiotically racist and primitive ideology.

Every time I hear a Jew who still can't learn what Never Again means makes me wonder how humanity survives.
 
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Reading comprehension seems not to be one of your strong suits. That is not what I have been imploring you to provide.

You and Geno are claiming that Israel is currently committing genocide in in Gaza. But I say that the UN has not passed any resolutions substantiating that claim.

And now you presenting something from over 40 years ago also does nothing to prove your claim of current Israeli misdeeds..

But what it does prove is that you finally agree that it is UNGA or SC resolutions that are passed when the UN wants to make a binding declaration. Not a rapporteur report or a statement from the ICC or ICJ as you kept trying to get us to fall for. So at least we are headed in the right direction. We agree that resolutions are required.

So the task now, as it was before, is to find a UN resolution passed that supports your claim that Israel is currently committing genocide in Gaza and that they are practising apartheid.

Good luck, Mr. Phelps. It is indeed a Mission Impossible.
 
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