Israel at war

shack

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What is this a confession of, grandpa?
That is the rallying cry of you and Amoeba. Why wouldn't you understand what it means?

Is that the same as Amoeba not knowing what a Ziontologist is? You guys use words and phrases that you don't understand yourselves.
 

shack

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Thanks for admitting Israel targets children and civilians at large and has always done so.
There is no logic in saying that if I'm calling that a fake picture it is an admission of anything. Just another non-sequitur from you.

Nope it is you that is projecting. He said we will eliminate everything. That is not interpretation. That is the literal translation.
But then you said it means there would not be a single person remaining. He did not use those exact words. That is the interpretation. You used words that he didn't. That is the definition of interpretation. How can you not understand that?

Show me the exact words of "not a single person" and I'll retract my statement.
 

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He could have said eliminate Hamas but given Israel considers that there are no non combatants in Gaza, he chose to say eliminate everything.
So he's going to eliminate all air and water and sand? Those would be included in "everything".
 

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That's a laugh, Geno. How many times have you attempted to justify Oct.7, with your baseless claims of a 76 year old occupation. Oct. 7 was the event that set off Israel's strong response which resulted in the deaths and suffering of Gazans. Hamas initiated their campaign of incestuous genocide and you support them. You are not allowed to cry about the outcome. Everybody knew this would be Israel's response.

Do you think that Oct.7 was a smart tactic? (All I hear is crickets every time I ask. Geno, there is no right or wrong answer. Just your opinion.)
Delusional
 

Klatuu

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So he's going to eliminate all air and water and sand? Those would be included in "everything".
Amateurish deflection
 
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Klatuu

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That's a laugh, Geno. How many times have you attempted to justify Oct.7, with your baseless claims of a 76 year old occupation. Oct. 7 was the event that set off Israel's strong response which resulted in the deaths and suffering of Gazans. Hamas initiated their campaign of incestuous genocide and you support them. You are not allowed to cry about the outcome. Everybody knew this would be Israel's response.

Do you think that Oct.7 was a smart tactic? (All I hear is crickets every time I ask. Geno, there is no right or wrong answer. Just your opinion.)
Wife beater defence
 

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He literally said those sentences. Those were his words. He uttered those 3 sentences. Case closed.

I am interpreting nothing. I am repeating translation of 3 sentences that literally came out of his mouth, word for word.

we do have the entirety of the relevant sentences anyway.
But the clip was edited, so he must have said other things. What were the statements that were edited out? Do you know? How does any body know if his other statements were relevant or not?
 

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That is the literal meaning of everything. In fact it means more than "not a single person". So again, it is not interpretation. It is just the literal meaning of the sentence.
That is exactly the definition of an interpretation.

Somebody uses certain words and you have to tell us what those words means is what interpretation means.

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  1. the action of explaining the meaning of something.
Go argue with Oxford. What you said you were doing is what Oxford says is interpreting.
 

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That is exactly the definition of an interpretation.

Somebody uses certain words and you have to tell us what those words means is what interpretation means.

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Go argue with Oxford. What you said you were doing is what Oxford says is interpreting.
They like to make up their own definitions now.
 

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How will this whole situation end?

On both side as soon as member of your family is killed you devote your life for revenge. Its not like if your kid is killed in a daily mass shooting by a mentally disturbed who was able to buy as many gun as he wanted.

No the hate is real. The hate is infiltrated in these people on both side. A few years ago i remember hearing a palestinien mother say that now that her 2 sons were killed she would have to birth 2 more to continue the fight...

Where will it end?
 

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One thing you'll notice after the Israeli raid that rescued four hostages is how deep the divide is on this. Many people are happy with the rescue. Then there are the voices who describe it as a "release" of four hostages and focus primarily on the claims that many people were killed in the operation

Most of those who condemn the operation put up talking points such as "200 killed to release 4". These commentators NEVER condemn the taking of hostages in the first place, and they NEVER condemn Hamas for unlawfully keeping hostages in civilian areas

What's clear here is just how totally captured these commentators are by the extremist pro-Hamas mentality. Notice how after the operation, knowing that Hamas is hiding hostages in densely populated civilian areas, they NEVER call on Hamas to free hostages and stop this.

Even when they find out that people like journalists and doctors are being brought into the Hamas crimes by keeping hostages in their homes, there is never a Road to Damascus moment here, where these people say "oh this is a red line, how dare Hamas do this."

I'll admit over the years to supporting many causes. But there has to be a red line in any cause. Why did supporting Palestinians become an excuse for every Hamas crime imaginable? A normal person would be shocked to find out hostges were held by civilians.

The number of civilians already implicated in the crimes of Oct. 7 and kidnapping and holding hostages is already a large number. This illustrates a radicalized society. We need to ask tough questions about this.

If human rights groups were doing their job, they'd ask tough questions about how Hamas was able to get civilians to hold hostages, including journalists and medical personnel. This endangers these people obviously.

Instead what happens is that all the Hamas men who dress as civilians are described as civilians when they are killed and all these other civilians who take part in hostage taking are all described as civilian professionals when they also end up killed in this war.

The whole process is directed toward trying to "civilianize" Hamas completely, such that, with the exception of Oct. 7, everyone in Gaza is portrayed as a civilian.

If Hamas and the pro-Palestinian crowd had been held to an equal standard many years ago this wouldn't have happened. Hamas was given excuses and empowered to create a criminal terrorist empire in Gaza in which everything is hijacked to help Hamas.

As Hamas hijacked every aspect of civilian society in Gaza, the int'l community was there beside it to whitewash its conquest of that society, and always turn Hamas into "armed groups" and never condemn or mention them.

This is why when Hamas members turn up at hospitals or UN facilities...it's never a shock to the managers of the facility...in fact they always welcome Hamas. When Hamas places hostages in civilian homes, there is never condern or shock.

You can tell how much the int'l community is connected to Hamas by looking at statements after the June 8 raid in Nuseirat. Has even one organization called on civilians in Gaza to stop holding hostages? Has even one? No.

The excuses for Hamas crimes aren't helping Palestinians. Obviously Hamas crimes have always been a setback for two states. Hamas only exists in order to sabotage peace and two states and to create endless war.

If the int'l community had been responsible it would have isolated Hamas and made it clear that its crimes are unacceptable and it would have supported peace and moderate groups; instead of excusing how Hamas radicalized Gaza and took over civilian institutions to exploit them.

 

Klatuu

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One thing you'll notice after the Israeli raid that rescued four hostages is how deep the divide is on this. Many people are happy with the rescue. Then there are the voices who describe it as a "release" of four hostages and focus primarily on the claims that many people were killed in the operation

Most of those who condemn the operation put up talking points such as "200 killed to release 4". These commentators NEVER condemn the taking of hostages in the first place, and they NEVER condemn Hamas for unlawfully keeping hostages in civilian areas

What's clear here is just how totally captured these commentators are by the extremist pro-Hamas mentality. Notice how after the operation, knowing that Hamas is hiding hostages in densely populated civilian areas, they NEVER call on Hamas to free hostages and stop this.

Even when they find out that people like journalists and doctors are being brought into the Hamas crimes by keeping hostages in their homes, there is never a Road to Damascus moment here, where these people say "oh this is a red line, how dare Hamas do this."

I'll admit over the years to supporting many causes. But there has to be a red line in any cause. Why did supporting Palestinians become an excuse for every Hamas crime imaginable? A normal person would be shocked to find out hostges were held by civilians.

The number of civilians already implicated in the crimes of Oct. 7 and kidnapping and holding hostages is already a large number. This illustrates a radicalized society. We need to ask tough questions about this.

If human rights groups were doing their job, they'd ask tough questions about how Hamas was able to get civilians to hold hostages, including journalists and medical personnel. This endangers these people obviously.

Instead what happens is that all the Hamas men who dress as civilians are described as civilians when they are killed and all these other civilians who take part in hostage taking are all described as civilian professionals when they also end up killed in this war.

The whole process is directed toward trying to "civilianize" Hamas completely, such that, with the exception of Oct. 7, everyone in Gaza is portrayed as a civilian.

If Hamas and the pro-Palestinian crowd had been held to an equal standard many years ago this wouldn't have happened. Hamas was given excuses and empowered to create a criminal terrorist empire in Gaza in which everything is hijacked to help Hamas.

As Hamas hijacked every aspect of civilian society in Gaza, the int'l community was there beside it to whitewash its conquest of that society, and always turn Hamas into "armed groups" and never condemn or mention them.

This is why when Hamas members turn up at hospitals or UN facilities...it's never a shock to the managers of the facility...in fact they always welcome Hamas. When Hamas places hostages in civilian homes, there is never condern or shock.

You can tell how much the int'l community is connected to Hamas by looking at statements after the June 8 raid in Nuseirat. Has even one organization called on civilians in Gaza to stop holding hostages? Has even one? No.

The excuses for Hamas crimes aren't helping Palestinians. Obviously Hamas crimes have always been a setback for two states. Hamas only exists in order to sabotage peace and two states and to create endless war.

If the int'l community had been responsible it would have isolated Hamas and made it clear that its crimes are unacceptable and it would have supported peace and moderate groups; instead of excusing how Hamas radicalized Gaza and took over civilian institutions to exploit them.

Brainwashed. Plus the usual manipulative and oily thumb sucking so common among Ziontologists
 
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Klatuu

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How will this whole situation end?

On both side as soon as member of your family is killed you devote your life for revenge. Its not like if your kid is killed in a daily mass shooting by a mentally disturbed who was able to buy as many gun as he wanted.

No the hate is real. The hate is infiltrated in these people on both side. A few years ago i remember hearing a palestinien mother say that now that her 2 sons were killed she would have to birth 2 more to continue the fight...

Where will it end?
I am guessing the irony of what you wrote escapes you. But, wallow in your liberal Zionist kumbaya moment if you must.
 
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