Israel at war

Klatuu

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That's a laugh, Geno. How many times have you attempted to justify Oct.7, with your baseless claims of a 76 year old occupation. Oct. 7 was the event that set off Israel's strong response which resulted in the deaths and suffering of Gazans. Hamas initiated their campaign of incestuous genocide and you support them. You are not allowed to cry about the outcome. Everybody knew this would be Israel's response.

Do you think that Oct.7 was a smart tactic? (All I hear is crickets every time I ask. Geno, there is no right or wrong answer. Just your opinion.)
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He literally said those sentences. Those were his words. He uttered those 3 sentences. Case closed.

I am interpreting nothing. I am repeating translation of 3 sentences that literally came out of his mouth, word for word.

we do have the entirety of the relevant sentences anyway.
But the clip was edited, so he must have said other things. What were the statements that were edited out? Do you know? How does any body know if his other statements were relevant or not?
 

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Stupidity is a key ingredient in ziontology
Stupidity would be using a word that you have no definition for.

What is Ziontology?
What is a Ziontologist?

I'm waiting to hear any non-stupid replies.
 
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That is the literal meaning of everything. In fact it means more than "not a single person". So again, it is not interpretation. It is just the literal meaning of the sentence.
That is exactly the definition of an interpretation.

Somebody uses certain words and you have to tell us what those words means is what interpretation means.

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  1. the action of explaining the meaning of something.
Go argue with Oxford. What you said you were doing is what Oxford says is interpreting.
 

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That is exactly the definition of an interpretation.

Somebody uses certain words and you have to tell us what those words means is what interpretation means.

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Go argue with Oxford. What you said you were doing is what Oxford says is interpreting.
They like to make up their own definitions now.
 

jalimon

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How will this whole situation end?

On both side as soon as member of your family is killed you devote your life for revenge. Its not like if your kid is killed in a daily mass shooting by a mentally disturbed who was able to buy as many gun as he wanted.

No the hate is real. The hate is infiltrated in these people on both side. A few years ago i remember hearing a palestinien mother say that now that her 2 sons were killed she would have to birth 2 more to continue the fight...

Where will it end?
 

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One thing you'll notice after the Israeli raid that rescued four hostages is how deep the divide is on this. Many people are happy with the rescue. Then there are the voices who describe it as a "release" of four hostages and focus primarily on the claims that many people were killed in the operation

Most of those who condemn the operation put up talking points such as "200 killed to release 4". These commentators NEVER condemn the taking of hostages in the first place, and they NEVER condemn Hamas for unlawfully keeping hostages in civilian areas

What's clear here is just how totally captured these commentators are by the extremist pro-Hamas mentality. Notice how after the operation, knowing that Hamas is hiding hostages in densely populated civilian areas, they NEVER call on Hamas to free hostages and stop this.

Even when they find out that people like journalists and doctors are being brought into the Hamas crimes by keeping hostages in their homes, there is never a Road to Damascus moment here, where these people say "oh this is a red line, how dare Hamas do this."

I'll admit over the years to supporting many causes. But there has to be a red line in any cause. Why did supporting Palestinians become an excuse for every Hamas crime imaginable? A normal person would be shocked to find out hostges were held by civilians.

The number of civilians already implicated in the crimes of Oct. 7 and kidnapping and holding hostages is already a large number. This illustrates a radicalized society. We need to ask tough questions about this.

If human rights groups were doing their job, they'd ask tough questions about how Hamas was able to get civilians to hold hostages, including journalists and medical personnel. This endangers these people obviously.

Instead what happens is that all the Hamas men who dress as civilians are described as civilians when they are killed and all these other civilians who take part in hostage taking are all described as civilian professionals when they also end up killed in this war.

The whole process is directed toward trying to "civilianize" Hamas completely, such that, with the exception of Oct. 7, everyone in Gaza is portrayed as a civilian.

If Hamas and the pro-Palestinian crowd had been held to an equal standard many years ago this wouldn't have happened. Hamas was given excuses and empowered to create a criminal terrorist empire in Gaza in which everything is hijacked to help Hamas.

As Hamas hijacked every aspect of civilian society in Gaza, the int'l community was there beside it to whitewash its conquest of that society, and always turn Hamas into "armed groups" and never condemn or mention them.

This is why when Hamas members turn up at hospitals or UN facilities...it's never a shock to the managers of the facility...in fact they always welcome Hamas. When Hamas places hostages in civilian homes, there is never condern or shock.

You can tell how much the int'l community is connected to Hamas by looking at statements after the June 8 raid in Nuseirat. Has even one organization called on civilians in Gaza to stop holding hostages? Has even one? No.

The excuses for Hamas crimes aren't helping Palestinians. Obviously Hamas crimes have always been a setback for two states. Hamas only exists in order to sabotage peace and two states and to create endless war.

If the int'l community had been responsible it would have isolated Hamas and made it clear that its crimes are unacceptable and it would have supported peace and moderate groups; instead of excusing how Hamas radicalized Gaza and took over civilian institutions to exploit them.

 

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One thing you'll notice after the Israeli raid that rescued four hostages is how deep the divide is on this. Many people are happy with the rescue. Then there are the voices who describe it as a "release" of four hostages and focus primarily on the claims that many people were killed in the operation

Most of those who condemn the operation put up talking points such as "200 killed to release 4". These commentators NEVER condemn the taking of hostages in the first place, and they NEVER condemn Hamas for unlawfully keeping hostages in civilian areas

What's clear here is just how totally captured these commentators are by the extremist pro-Hamas mentality. Notice how after the operation, knowing that Hamas is hiding hostages in densely populated civilian areas, they NEVER call on Hamas to free hostages and stop this.

Even when they find out that people like journalists and doctors are being brought into the Hamas crimes by keeping hostages in their homes, there is never a Road to Damascus moment here, where these people say "oh this is a red line, how dare Hamas do this."

I'll admit over the years to supporting many causes. But there has to be a red line in any cause. Why did supporting Palestinians become an excuse for every Hamas crime imaginable? A normal person would be shocked to find out hostges were held by civilians.

The number of civilians already implicated in the crimes of Oct. 7 and kidnapping and holding hostages is already a large number. This illustrates a radicalized society. We need to ask tough questions about this.

If human rights groups were doing their job, they'd ask tough questions about how Hamas was able to get civilians to hold hostages, including journalists and medical personnel. This endangers these people obviously.

Instead what happens is that all the Hamas men who dress as civilians are described as civilians when they are killed and all these other civilians who take part in hostage taking are all described as civilian professionals when they also end up killed in this war.

The whole process is directed toward trying to "civilianize" Hamas completely, such that, with the exception of Oct. 7, everyone in Gaza is portrayed as a civilian.

If Hamas and the pro-Palestinian crowd had been held to an equal standard many years ago this wouldn't have happened. Hamas was given excuses and empowered to create a criminal terrorist empire in Gaza in which everything is hijacked to help Hamas.

As Hamas hijacked every aspect of civilian society in Gaza, the int'l community was there beside it to whitewash its conquest of that society, and always turn Hamas into "armed groups" and never condemn or mention them.

This is why when Hamas members turn up at hospitals or UN facilities...it's never a shock to the managers of the facility...in fact they always welcome Hamas. When Hamas places hostages in civilian homes, there is never condern or shock.

You can tell how much the int'l community is connected to Hamas by looking at statements after the June 8 raid in Nuseirat. Has even one organization called on civilians in Gaza to stop holding hostages? Has even one? No.

The excuses for Hamas crimes aren't helping Palestinians. Obviously Hamas crimes have always been a setback for two states. Hamas only exists in order to sabotage peace and two states and to create endless war.

If the int'l community had been responsible it would have isolated Hamas and made it clear that its crimes are unacceptable and it would have supported peace and moderate groups; instead of excusing how Hamas radicalized Gaza and took over civilian institutions to exploit them.

Brainwashed. Plus the usual manipulative and oily thumb sucking so common among Ziontologists
 
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Klatuu

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How will this whole situation end?

On both side as soon as member of your family is killed you devote your life for revenge. Its not like if your kid is killed in a daily mass shooting by a mentally disturbed who was able to buy as many gun as he wanted.

No the hate is real. The hate is infiltrated in these people on both side. A few years ago i remember hearing a palestinien mother say that now that her 2 sons were killed she would have to birth 2 more to continue the fight...

Where will it end?
I am guessing the irony of what you wrote escapes you. But, wallow in your liberal Zionist kumbaya moment if you must.
 

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That's a laugh, Geno. How many times have you attempted to justify Oct.7, with your baseless claims of a 76 year old occupation. Oct. 7 was the event that set off Israel's strong response which resulted in the deaths and suffering of Gazans. Hamas initiated their campaign of incestuous genocide and you support them. You are not allowed to cry about the outcome. Everybody knew this would be Israel's response.

Do you think that Oct.7 was a smart tactic? (All I hear is crickets every time I ask. Geno, there is no right or wrong answer. Just your opinion.)
zionism is dead, grandpa.
Netanyahu and his genocide has killed it.

Do you think getting the chance to kill 40,000 Palestinians was worth losing the country?

 

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How will this whole situation end?

On both side as soon as member of your family is killed you devote your life for revenge. Its not like if your kid is killed in a daily mass shooting by a mentally disturbed who was able to buy as many gun as he wanted.

No the hate is real. The hate is infiltrated in these people on both side. A few years ago i remember hearing a palestinien mother say that now that her 2 sons were killed she would have to birth 2 more to continue the fight...

Where will it end?
It will end when Palestinians get their own state and focus on improving their lives, not trying to eliminate their neighbors from the river to the sea...that motto doesn't end well for the Palestinians....as history should've taught them...
 

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That's like saying Nat Turner massacring white slave owners in the 19th century was a hate crime. Yes he hated them. Yes it was murder. But his hate and anger were justified. The slave owners hate was however not.

Same thing. One side - the Palestinian side hates the other because they have been brutalized, genocided and ethnically cleansed. That is justified hatred. The other side hates them because they consider them sub human. Always have. Even before Hamas.

For a moment I though he wrote that but of course it was copy pasted lol. But anyway that entire diatribe on twitter can be summed up in one simple sentence. What that guy is saying is - "white lives matter more than brown lives". And anyone who refutes it is "Hamas".
"justified hatred" and you claim you didn't justify Oct 7....LOL
There you go again with your racial slurs...you really believe those who criticize hamas are white people? 😂 😂 😂 😂...that's all you really have going 923 pages in... "I'm brown, I'm a victim and anybody who opposes my view is white". LOL
 
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It will end when Palestinians get their own state and focus on improving their lives, not trying to eliminate their neighbors from the river to the sea...that motto doesn't end well for the Palestinians....as history should've taught them...
That's what make sense to me too. But we have come to an era where I am not even sure the Palestinians want that. They, like the Iranian, want Israel eradicated and completely evicted. Am I wrong?
 

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That's what make sense to me too. But we have come to an era where I am not even sure the Palestinians want that. They, like the Iranian, want Israel eradicated and completely evicted. Am I wrong?
I mean there are steps that need to be done in order for the conflict the be neutralize..."live and let live" would be a start...now anybody is standing behind Hamas then peace is far from the goal...Hamas has always been (cleanse the world of Jews) they never denied it, they have always been that way...they celebrated every Jew death recorded by the faction...every palestinian death is worth it if the reward was to kill a few Jews...
 
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