Were you unaware of the recent protests at a synagogue over potential land sales in the occupied territories?
Are you unaware of the conferences for land sale in Gaza that have already happened during the genocide?
This is already happening.
And the Trump clan wants in on it and to take advantage of it.
Yes, which is why its upsetting that Biden will have to lose the election to end genocide.
Only - as you showed above -Trump in power makes it worse.
So "Biden has to lose the election to end genocide" is really "I am mad at Biden so he should lose, even though it does nothing to end genocide and will actively make things worse for the Palestenians".
Now. if you were going to argue, "Trump is susceptible to bribes from the Saudis and/or Iran and therefore will produce better policy" you would have something to work with here.
I'm trying to tell you that Never Again means Never Again.
Backing genocide isn't just doing a little bad for the greater good, its backing genocide.
So your choices are "not doing enough to stop this" and " doing even less to stop this".
Your policy of "Never Again" means "I should choose to do less to stop this, and also increase other evil in the world".
We are
always going to disagree about this Frank.
I just can't support evil the way you do for personal reasons.
You think I said dems were suffering genocide?
That's weird.
It is weird.
Go read your post.
Maybe it was just a typo on your part.
Your moral supremacy in defending the power 'practical' side of the dems over the progressive, vote winning side, is part of the problem of US politics.
Stating you will be 'pragmatic' and support a little genocide, massive corporate lobbying and the side of the party that you don't agree with in order for the greater good of not letting rump in power is why the US system is fucked.
No.
The US system is fucked in lots and lots of ways.
That it is fucked is why you don't get magical ponies that fix everything if you are just virtuous and strong in your beliefs.
I know you don't accept that, but reality bites.
That you think Biden has lost support only because of the genocide shows you have a shallow understanding of the issues.
You're the one who has been insisting it is because of the genocide.
Have you decided to go on to other "Nope, actually Joe Biden is bad and has always been bad and is a neoliberal shill and just as bad as Trump" now?
My views aren't that radical. Stop the genocide through a ceasefire, apply international law to both sides, end apartheid and implement equal rights.
I didn't say your views were radical.
I said you claiming that 80% had the same views of things as you do is not sound reasoning.
You would think those are cornerstones of democracy more than 'support a little bad to get my guy in power'.
They mean a lot.
Why you are doing what you can to make sure they don't happen is weird to me, though.
D, at best. You didn't answer the question and misinterpreted the points.
You do know that the dems are split, you don't agree with Cory's take on the pizzaburger split between progressives and corporate dems but you do think supporting the progressive side is backing magic ponies.
Of course I know they are split and I *do* agree with Cory about the pizzaburger problem.
(BTW, if you read Cory's article and paid attention to him, you would know that he considers "the progressives" the Dems you claim to oppose now. Just an FYI if you plan on cribbing from his work in the future.)
And no, I don't think the leftists pushing for the Dems to do better are backing magic ponies.
I think
you Frank, are backing magic ponies.
Butler wants to burn the system down in the hopes that the boogaloo bois types build his socialist utopia in the ashes.
I just want the progressive side of the dems, the side that actually wins the votes, to gain power through taking support away from the corporate side.
Yes, you are well on your way to joining Butler.
He, too, thought that if the progressives just made sure the corpodems lose, then they would be in charge after Trump because obviously everyone would choose the right thing after they had been made to suffer enough.
Your view is that the US will end if rump gets back in power, my view is you play the long game to try to fix the system.
Yup.
Butler's plan of "they have to suffer enough and then we can fix the system after they've learned their lesson" is in full effect I see.