Israel at war
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Why, Danny?
The IDF is winning pretty convincingly against weak opposition. Why would it need the US?
No, Danny. Ukraine is currently stalemated, but may / may not be winning a war of attrition and political stability.
Israel has occupied north Gaza and is moving into South Gaza and has destroyed most opposition.
Two different wars. Two different situations. Read up on the topics and you'll understand them better.
You are correct there, Mandy, glad that you agree. It is not a war in Gaza, It is an occupation force massacring the occupied, which amount to genocide.
Yep. Hamas were dummies to think that Israel wouldn't invade after they massacred, raped and kidnapped those people on 7 October.
Why do you think Hamas made that mistake?
1. Maybe they're just dumb.
2. Maybe Iran promised that they'd helpfully invade Israel and then thought twice and sacrificed their Hammy pals.
3. Maybe the Hamas billionaires in Qatar figured they suck in so many extra donations if they caused the death of all those sweet little kids in Gaza that they'd double their personal wealth and that was such a sweet idea that they said "What the fuck?! May as well get Gaza flattened. Order more champagne!"
I think that will have to be answered by future historians.
Clearly, it has had an enormous cost on the population of Gaza.
But the cost on Israel has also been enormous. It has lost the support and goodwill from a large part of the population in the global south and Europe, and even some in North America.
It still has the unconditional support from the governments of Europe and North America, so time will tell if there will be any consequences for Israel of the "war".
The best writer on Gaza that I have come across.
Israel had lost the 18-25 cadre in the west in any event, as the heavy bias in academics is pro Palestinian. The current shooting war just gives those kids a chance to parade or - since it's cold outside - post on social media.
7 October grabbed the attention of people in my age group who previously ignored the conflict as "bad on both sides" and made us think that the only feasible solution lay in the extermination of Hamas.
Militarily occupying Gaza is so easily within the grasp of the IDF that world support doesn't matter in any event. And it's pretty notable that the neighbouring Muslim countries verbally denounce Israel, but probably cheer it on behind the scenes. Hamas isn't popular.
What I see is that Israel will gradually take over the entire Gaza strip and make an attempt to administer it using Gazans unconnected with previous Hamas power structures - i.e to de-Hamasify Gaza in the same sense that the Allies de-nazified Germany after 1945. Whether this works or not remains to be seen.
If you read and follow Alkhatib (the guy I posted above), you'll glean that Hamas is not universally popular among Gazans, although Alkhatib loathes Israel as well.
The best outcome is that the extremists on BOTH sides are removed from power and influence. And yes, that includes Bibi and his buddies, as well as Hamas and Hezbollah.
10,000 PalestinIan children and this is what this army of jackasses does.
I've said for years that you can back Tamil rights in Sri Lanka without endorsing the Tigers, you can support Kurdish rights or even independence without supporting the PKK and you can support a Palestinian state alongside Israel without cheering Hamas.
Did Netanyahu not just say that Israel would accept no less than to control all land from the river to the sea?
shack said:
I understand 100% that you are admitting that you are talking out of your ass trying to push the ridiculous notion that a ceasefire could possibly be faster than a Hamas surrender.
I also understand 100% that despite all of your rhetoric this is further proof that you don't care if more Palis die. So, as you keep asking me, here is more proof that you are lying, you have lied and you will continue to lie.
So now anytime you push for a ceasefire you are pushing for more more Palestinian deaths. The two cannot be separated.
I understand 100% that you are admitting that you are talking out of your ass trying to push the ridiculous notion that a ceasefire could possibly be faster than a Hamas surrender.
I also understand 100% that despite all of your rhetoric this is further proof that you don't care if more Palis die. So, as you keep asking me, here is more proof that you are lying, you have lied and you will continue to lie.
No attempt at a response. You admit that I'm correct. A Hamas surrender is fastest.
So now anytime you push for a ceasefire you are pushing for more more Palestinian deaths. The two cannot be separated.
No response. You admit that Hamas and Jews/Zionists want the same thing, the land that is the officially accepted State of Israel.
If that makes Jews Zionists then you are supporting Arab Zionism. You say that you hate all Zionists.
