Israel at war

mitchell76

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Please resign. Your post, in simple terms, translates to “I hope Hamas wins this war so it can continue to mutilate, rape and torture Jews.” How shameful for the head of the UN. How indicative of the UN’s moral bankruptcy. Here’s the right message: “Hamas must immediately surrender, lay down its arms and free the hostages.” Nothing less and nothing more.
 
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shack

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[QUOTE="basketcase, post: 8196288, member: 64397]
Seems either Hamas doesn't want to release any more hostages or they can't get them back from the other terror groups.[/QUOTE]
Or they're already dead.
 
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You've been told again and again that it is not "collective punishment". No one is trying to punish civilians. But if HAMAS embeds within the civilian community, HAMAS places civilian lives at risk.
You've been told again and again that trump never lies on this board as well. Now you're like a trump supporter and won't accept the law, facts or human rights reports.
I'll stick to the law and reports by human rights organizations.

1) The 'siege' withholding all food, water and power is not only collective punishment its genocidal. You refuse to comment on this or debate this fact. Instead you ignore it.




2) The blockade has been ruled collective punishment and a war crime by the UN
3) Apartheid is a collective punishment.

If the only way that Israel can self-defend is by destroying HAMAS and the only way to destroy HAMAS is to engage in a civilian-heavy milieu - because that's what HAMAS chooses - then there are going to be many unavoidable inadvertent civilian casualties.
Bullshit.
Israel just proved you can negotiate with Hamas through the truce.
Those were the first talks with Hamas in almost a decade.

Even if you could, and you can't, kill all Hamas you'll just create another generation that will hate Israelis even more.
Far better is to end the illegal occupation and colonization of Palestine.



1. Why did HAMAS raid Israel and commit outrageous war atrocities and then dare Israel to come get them?
Because there were 233 settler terrorist attacks before Oct in 2023, followed by settlers storming the Al Aqsa and announcements of more 'settlements', which you for some reason don't think are settler colonialism. If you want the attacks to stop you need to end the occupation and apartheid.

2. Why did HAMAS do this, knowing that Israel could not refuse to go into Gaza to get HAMAS and knowing that HAMAS didn't even have a FRACTION of the military capability that Israel does? HAMAS was certain to lose massively, completely and relatively quickly. HAMAS has no tanks or tac air and relatively little artillery and all its assets are technologically primitive.
Because there is no other option for them. There are no peace talks, the US blocks all UN actions and Israel refuses to end the blockade. You'd do it to if you lived there. If you want the attacks to stop you need to end the occupation and apartheid.

3. Why does 100% of the pro Palestinian news coverage feature dead women and kids?
Because there are 20,000 of them. Because its a fucking genocide. Because genocide is the most evil humans can do to other humans and for some reason its happening again, with otherwise reasonable people like you backing genocide.

Answer to all of the above questions: Because the whole point of everything that HAMAS did was to manufacture news footage for Western media showing dead Palestinian kids. It's ALL about stirring up moral outrage among the Western audience. THAT'S why HAMAS is doing this whole shtick. From 7 October onwards, this whole episode has been HAMAS figuring out how to sacrifice Palestinian children and show their bodies on CNN.

The theory was that HAMAS could turn the west against Israel if HAMAS made Israel kill Palestinian kids and then videotaped the dead kids and showed them.
Stupid theory. Israel is the one that chooses to keep the blockade, occupation, apartheid and colonization ongoing. Not Hamas.
Israel chooses to drop the $3.8 billion in annual US bombs on the people of Gaza, not Hamas.

Israel keeps killing journalists and knocking out the power to keep those pictures from coming out.
But if you don't want pictures of dead Palestinians in the news the best solution is to stop fucking killing them.
Ceasefire.
End the occupation
End apartheid.

Act like a lawyer and tell both sides to respect the law.
 
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Frankfooter

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Seems either Hamas doesn't want to release any more hostages or they can't get them back from the other terror groups.
Or they're already dead.
Well, with Israel again blocking all food and water, I'm sure they will be dead soon enough.

Though maybe Hamas realized that the math of releasing prisoners was no good.




 
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shack

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Or you are saying Israelis are dumbasses who played right into Hamas' strategy. Which is it?
You mean the strategy of sacrificing the citizens of Gaza? The strategy of not giving a shit how many Gazan women and children die? The strategy of using them as human shields while they hide like rats in their sewers/tunnels? The strategy of stealing humanitarian aid meant for the people that you worry about because of them not getting food and water?

And you support these Hamas vermin who use such a strategy?
 

shack

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Mandrill complains about the number of media posts about dead Palestinian children.
Well, there are 8,000 of them.
Considering these numbers are coming from Hamas reports which the UN accepts at face value, it's probably more like 800.
 

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You mean the strategy of sacrificing the citizens of Gaza? The strategy of not giving a shit how many Gazan women and children die? The strategy of using them as human shields while they hide like rats in their sewers/tunnels? The strategy of stealing humanitarian aid meant for the people that you worry about because of them not getting food and water?

And you support these Hamas vermin who use such a strategy?
Delusional
 
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