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Frankfooter

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You and your little buddy Gilligan are the only ones in these threads supporting and making excuses for blatant terrorism and in some twisted way calling it self defense.
Prove it.

Call out Israel using snipers on civilian protesters at the Great March of Return.
Until you do, you and basketcase are the only ones that doesn't call out terrorism.

 

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i like your magical thinking. Make up a claim, ...
Do you live in a world where Palestinian media and the terror organizations making these claims are really controlled by Israel?

And yes, the names of Palestinians killed in that raid are published in the article, using the PA and the statements of Hamas and PIJ. But sure, Hamas lies about this stuff to justify Israel.
 

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They are still Death Squads, all they do is kill Palestinians.
Wow your trash is becoming more and more Karen-like.

The PA, Hamas, and PIJ claimed the targets as high level members of their terror groups. But what do they know.
 

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These settlers just can’t resist beating people….t...
Saying "these people" pretty much confirms who the racist is.

Another clue is that I've repeatedly condemned these settler freaks and some have even been arrested by the Israeli government. At the same time, you busily try to justify freaks like this guy.
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And yes, inside Israel's side of the green line.
 

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Not true in the least.

How many other Arab nations are ruling through apartheid?
Turkey?
How many have a 50 year old occupation?
Turkey?
How many of those Arab nations are constantly bombing their neighbours?
Turkey?

I know Turkey isn't Arab but they have been occupying Northern Cyprus for 50 years, implement different rules for Greek Orthodox there, at least the ones that weren't ethnically cleansed. Then there is the massive population transfer at Turkey's establishment which doesn't bother you. Add in their persecution of the Kurds and their violent occupation of Northern Syria meant to further oppress Kurds.

The thing is Kurds are a distinct people being denied a homeland but all you want to whine about is that when the Ottoman Empire collapsed, one Jewish majority state was formed in the midst of a whole bunch of Arab states.

p.s. Like the Palestinians, the Kurds have a valid claim to their own state but like the Palestinians, groups like the PKK trying to achieve it through terror deserve to be condemned.



p.p.s. Pretty fucking stupid that you're claiming most Arab states follow anything like the Canadian idea of human rights and freedom.
 

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Wow your trash is becoming more and more Karen-like.

The PA, Hamas, and PIJ claimed the targets as high level members of their terror groups. But what do they know.
Really, where did the PA or Hamas say they were terror groups?

I don't really care what you think they did, they are still death squads.
Its a bit like all of a sudden you think Pinochet was justified with his death squads and disappearances.
Pinochet killed/disappeared about 3,000.

So far Israel has already killed 3x that many.

I'm sure Pinochet's supporters thought they all deserved to die as well.
 
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Saying "these people" pretty much confirms who the racist is.

Another clue is that I've repeatedly condemned these settler freaks and some have even been arrested by the Israeli government. At the same time, you busily try to justify freaks like this guy.

And yes, inside Israel's side of the green line.
Its all about the scale, basketcase.
You'll bring up one case like this and demand we denounce it.

But for every act you want denounced, you need to denounce each act committed by terrorist settlers and Israeli terrorists.
Have you made 149 posts denouncing those 149 settler terrorist attacks?
How many resulted in charges or sentences? Likely zero.


So far in 2023, IOF attacks killed 83 Palestinians, including 41 civilians; 14 of them were children and one woman, and the rest were members of the Palestinian armed groups, including 2 children, as well as 6 killed by settlers, and one died in Israeli prisons. Meanwhile, 349 Palestinians, including 47 children, 2 women and 9 journalists, were injured.

Since the beginning of the year, settlers have conducted at least 149 attacks against Palestinian civilians and their property. As a result, 5 Palestinians were killed, and dozens of others were injured; most of them after being beaten and thrown with stones. Also, dozens of houses, vehicles and civilian facilities were set ablaze.
 
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Really, where did the PA or Hamas say they were terror groups?
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I know you never listen to Palestinians but you're just being intentionally obtuse, simply because you know there's no moral defence for your racist double standard and your elitist views on Palestinians.

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And where the fuck do you think I need to condemn every stone throwing before you condemn Palestinians stabbing random women or shooting up a restaurant patio?

But sure, I will repeatedly denounce incidents where radical settlers attack Palestinian civilians (while you continue to justify when radical Palestinians attack Jewish civilians).

Actually that's not quite correct. It is difficulty to describe 71% of the population as radicals.
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You think Turkey is apartheid?
Bwahahahaha
No I don't because Apartheid has an actual definition.

But yes, Turkey has laws in Northern Cyprus discriminating against the few Greek Orthodox that weren't forced out which they have occupied since 1974. Their invasion caused ethnic cleansing of Greek Cypriots from land Turkey conquered.

That 100% meets your definitions.

Turkey also has repressive laws against ethnic Kurds and because of that conflict, Turkey routinely bombs Kurdish enclaves in Syria (as well as a history of attacks in Iraq). They have been occupying a chunk of North Syria for the past 7 years.

Of course we can also discuss the massive population transfer at the end of the conflict with Greece. You won't want to though because as with every other population transfer, both sides went to the effort to assimilate refugees instead of locking them up for generations without rights.

But thanks for being so transparent. Israel occupies the West Bank and you think them evil. Turkey occupies Northern Cyprus and part of Syria and you stay silent. Israel has systemic discrimination and you consider them evil. Turkey has systemic discrimination and you don't care. Israel strikes Hezbollah/Iranian military targets in Syria and you say they're evil. Turkey strikes civilian sites in Syria and you're silent.

The more you post, the more you prove how well you meet the definition of anti-semitic.
 
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I know you never listen to Palestinians but you're just being intentionally obtuse, simply because you know there's no moral defence for your racist double standard and your elitist views on Palestinians.





And where the fuck do you think I need to condemn every stone throwing before you condemn Palestinians stabbing random women or shooting up a restaurant patio?

But sure, I will repeatedly denounce incidents where radical settlers attack Palestinian civilians (while you continue to justify when radical Palestinians attack Jewish civilians).

Actually that's not quite correct. It is difficulty to describe 71% of the population as radicals.
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Apartheid.

Of course you argue that Palestinians have no right to armed resistance to an occupation that the world recognizes is illegal.
Because you support apartheid, you support subjugating a people based entirely on race.


Support BDS and equal rights, that's the only anti-racist path forward left to bring about a peaceful solution to the status quo, one state, apartheid solution.

 

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Of course you argue that Palestinians have no right to armed resistance to an occupation ...
Why do you keep trying to claim that attacking random Jews is 'self defence'?

Palestinians choosing to attack arrest teams is not terrorism. You could maybe portray protecting terrorists from arrest as self defence. But then you stupidly try and claim that it's terrorism for Israeli troops to return fire.


p.s. Why are you unwilling to talk about Turkey's 50 year illegal occupation of Northern Cyprus, their systemic oppression of Greek Cypriots and Kurds, their occupation of North Syria, and their regular attacks on Syria? It's amazing what you're willing to accept from non-Jews.
 

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Palestinians choosing to attack arrest teams is not terrorism.
This is a start to acknowledging that Palestinians have a right to self defence.
Its the first step.

Though you also need to start by acknowledging that the occupation is illegal.
 

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This is a start to acknowledging that Palestinians have a right to self defence.
Its the first step.

Though you also need to start by acknowledging that the occupation is illegal.
I love it when you try and pretend attacks on random Jews are self defence.

p.s. Why are you unwilling to talk about Turkey's 50 year illegal occupation of Northern Cyprus, their systemic oppression of Greek Cypriots and Kurds, their occupation of North Syria, and their regular attacks on Syria? It's amazing what you're willing to accept from non-Jews.
 

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I love it when you try and pretend attacks on random Jews are self defence.
I get bored by your constant straw men.
I have never said that.

p.s. Why are you unwilling to talk about Turkey's 50 year illegal occupation of Northern Cyprus, their systemic oppression of Greek Cypriots and Kurds, their occupation of North Syria, and their regular attacks on Syria? It's amazing what you're willing to accept from non-Jews.
Whataboutism.

Though Erdogan is a despot he holds nothing on Netanyahu.
I hear the protests are getting bigger in Israel and now with his UK visit London is a mess.

 

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Whataboutism.
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The classic defence for a racist double standard.

You spend tens of thousands of posts condemning Israel's existence (in this handle alone) using the excuse of occupation, systemic racism, and attacking other countries while staying absolutely silent on Turkey's occupations, systemic racism, and attacks on other countries.

Just like you're compulsive defence of Iran, you are fine with Turkey doing all this because Erdogan (like Iran's despots) is fairly hostile to Israel.


You would benefit from being more honest with yourself like your little buddy and just admit that you think Israel is illegitimate and support anything that harms Israel or Israeli Jews. Your continual dismissal of Palestinians ideas and agency shows you clearly aren't motivated by their lives.




p.s. Yes, the protests in Israel are growing because Israel, as a democracy allows free exchange of ideas. But you will go on and on condemning Israel because the current government move towards authoritarianism while endorsing Palestinian and Arab governments that are orders of magnitude more despotic.
 

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p.s. Yes, the protests in Israel are growing because Israel, as a democracy allows free exchange of ideas. But you will go on and on condemning Israel because the current government move towards authoritarianism while endorsing Palestinian and Arab governments that are orders of magnitude more despotic.
Israel's government is in the process of becoming as democratic as Iran. Which you call 'a free exchange of ideas'.
Nice.

If you want to have a debate about who is worse, Turkey or Israel, we can go there.
Start a new thread, I doubt it would last more than a few posts, but go ahead.
 
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Israel's government is in the process of becoming as democratic as Iran. ...
But you keep defending Iran and have repeatedly claimed they were an open democracy. Interesting. What I find most pathetic about your posting history is you show absolutely zero self-awareness of your racist double standard and your dismissal of non-white people.




p.s. It's not an issue of worse (have you ever looked at the population transfer of the Greco-Turkish war, the Armenian genocide, the invasion of Cyprus, or the oppression of Kurds), it's the fact that you devote 0% of your criticism to Turkey even though they are doing exactly what you claim to have an issue with.
 
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