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shack

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Of course Trudeau caused it. Housing prices were affordable up to when he got elected then bam the prices almost doubled. I never seen such high prices and the issue is wages have not kept pace with the price increases.
Do you support unions fighting for higher wages?
 

CLOUD 500

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What policies do you think would fix housing prices?
The first thing to do which is the direct cause of the housing crisis is to shut down immigration entirely. There needs to be a 5 year moratorium on it. Send back all 3 million temporary residents. That would really ease the housing crisis with an immediate drop of population by 3 million. Of course they will never do that because corporations and government loose a lot of money.

And Carney pledges to build homes on a scale never seen. How he plans to do that? Brookefield is the answer. They have a subsidiary company called Brookefield Properties. They got properties in Canada. For those who do not want corporations owning residences, well think again because that is what Carney will do. He has a big interest in Brookefield. He conveniently put his shares in a blind trust. Why does he not disclose his assets? Very certain he has conflicts of interests. Carney's plan is to build multifamily small little homes in tall skyscrapers with no parking lots. This is Carney's vision Carney Vision.jpg
 

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Do you support unions fighting for higher wages?
I hate unions. I am 100% against them. They are money making institutions who protect a lot of bad employees who should be fired. Union workers tend to be arrogant also. Look at how Canada Post goes on strike holding many ppl hostage, or the railroad workers and dock workers. This is one time I agreed with the Trudeau government was to send them back to work.
 

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I agree with a lot of that. But that said, immigration was just as high in the 1950's and 60's and house prices didn't jump because houses were being built in vast #'s each year - which is the theme of Carney's most recent ad BTW.
Not it was not, the 1950s marked the post-war births. Look at the stats, the 1950s had the highest birth rates (hence the name baby boomers), about 3.5 kids per family. Do not forget this was one of the most economically prosperous times between 1945 to 1973 (the oil crisis). If you look at the birth rates, they dropped significantly in the 70s.


^^^^ Here is the graph.

Without high immigration, the population will age and the economy collapse because our domestic birth rate is below replacement rate.
We need some, but not at the rate the Trudeau government did. He also moved away from the point based system to bringing anyone in. He brought in so many asylum seekers, low wage workers. Asylum seekers are the worst type of immigrants. They tax our system a lot because the government is giving them so many social benefits and taxpayers got to foot the bill. Asylum seekers in the 60s did not get all these social benefits, they had to work. Are these really the type of people that will make Canada better? Seems a way to increase the GDP. And economy for who? The rich corporations and the top 1%? Another reality is that people are living much longer compared to 100 years ago.

The idea that anyone was engaged in a conspiracy to force up housing prices is silly. No one's interested in doing that.
Not a conspiracy at all. Trudeau even admitted publicly to doing that.


^^^^^ Here he said it here. The government benefits a lot from this because they make more money and collect more taxes. They are obsessed with never ending GDP increase. Later tonight I will expose Carney's plan. He plans to use Brookfield Properties to build lots of homes in a company that he has millions of dollars in shares.
And there's no indication that Pee - a guy whose whole focus politically is a far right ideological agenda - is going to help ordinary people. The guy voted against every social assistance measure put before him in the last 20 years and was a Harper cabinet minister. He's not there to help ordinary people. If he was, Canadians would be voting for him.
Well thanks to Poilievre everyone is enjoying a 20 cents cut in gas prices. How much you save on a full tank? A regular car with a 60 liter tank will save you $12 and that adds up, think of how much commercial vehicles save? A pickup truck with a 140 liter tank gets a $28 savings. Not to mention all the other produce will also see price decreases. Remember the Trudeau / Carney Liberals claim that adding a tax can change the weather when it is was in fact a revenue collection scheme. One of the reasons the economy was so prosperous in the 1950s was because energy was cheap. Cheap energy creates economically prosperous times and much higher productivity. You say that Poilievre is focused on far-right ideologu, but you seem to be okay with far-left ideology.
 
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richaceg

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In fighting among the conservatives? This is breaking news...but...where was bver_hunter when Trudeau's ministers were jumping ship?
 

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You realize that the rental price jump occurred when Duggo abolished rent controls, huh?

And had nothing to do with Justin?
Rental controls are only a temporary bandage. And Mike Harris did the same thing. Keep in mind that rental controls does not apply to newer constructions. The fact is there are just too many people in the GTA.
 

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So PeePee will stop with the slogans and announce policies and plans on how to deal with Trump? Maybe a little too late. Trump and Musk endorsed him. Poilievre he's just like Trump.
 

squeezer

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So PeePee will stop with the slogans and announce policies and plans on how to deal with Trump? Maybe a little too late. Trump and Musk endorsed him. Poilievre he's just like Trump.
Mush and Rogan endorsed Pee Pee but by it looks like Trumputin is endorsing Carney and dislikes Pee Pee because he doesn't feel Pee Pee kissed his ass enough. I can't stand Pee Pee but I have to call it as I see it.
 
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shack

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I hate unions. I am 100% against them. They are money making institutions who protect a lot of bad employees who should be fired. Union workers tend to be arrogant also. Look at how Canada Post goes on strike holding many ppl hostage, or the railroad workers and dock workers. This is one time I agreed with the Trudeau government was to send them back to work.
They are not saints.

But unions are able to negotiate for higher wages better than individuals and help establish some standards across the workforce. You said that wages not keeping pace with inflation is a very major reason people can't afford decent housing like they used to in the 60's and 70's. And I believe that you also said that the cost of housing, in and of itself was not the issue, but the wages.

Obviously owners of businesses, via wages, are not maintaining the standards of living they once did for their employees. As such, what is your solution?
 

Butler1000

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I hate unions. I am 100% against them. They are money making institutions who protect a lot of bad employees who should be fired. Union workers tend to be arrogant also. Look at how Canada Post goes on strike holding many ppl hostage, or the railroad workers and dock workers. This is one time I agreed with the Trudeau government was to send them back to work.
You should be thanking them. Unless you would prefer to be working 60 hour weeks for less wages, no benefits, no labour laws, and bully gangs to beat on you.

Money making institutions? What the fuck is a corporation? In the USA they are mandated by law to take shareholders over employees side as it is.

There is a balance. I agree that they need good regulation as well as businesses. And the push for public sector unions was unnecessary due to positive working conditions there. But the private sector? Go read some history.
 

mandrill

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Rental controls are only a temporary bandage. And Mike Harris did the same thing. Keep in mind that rental controls does not apply to newer constructions. The fact is there are just too many people in the GTA.
But again, the population of Toronto increased from 1M to 2M between 1950 and 1960 - a 100% increase in 10 years. Houses were built for this tidal wave of new Canadians. Between 1960 and 1975, North York, Scarborough and Etobicoke were built from almost nothing. There just isn't that scale of residential construction these days. That's where the issue lies.
 

Frankfooter

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The first thing to do which is the direct cause of the housing crisis is to shut down immigration entirely. There needs to be a 5 year moratorium on it. Send back all 3 million temporary residents. That would really ease the housing crisis with an immediate drop of population by 3 million. Of course they will never do that because corporations and government loose a lot of money.

And Carney pledges to build homes on a scale never seen. How he plans to do that? Brookefield is the answer. They have a subsidiary company called Brookefield Properties. They got properties in Canada. For those who do not want corporations owning residences, well think again because that is what Carney will do. He has a big interest in Brookefield. He conveniently put his shares in a blind trust. Why does he not disclose his assets? Very certain he has conflicts of interests. Carney's plan is to build multifamily small little homes in tall skyscrapers with no parking lots. This is Carney's vision View attachment 423768
Good luck with cutting all immigration, businesses will kill you.
Oh, and PeePee is a big investor in Brookefield.
 

Frankfooter

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I hate unions. I am 100% against them. They are money making institutions who protect a lot of bad employees who should be fired. Union workers tend to be arrogant also. Look at how Canada Post goes on strike holding many ppl hostage, or the railroad workers and dock workers. This is one time I agreed with the Trudeau government was to send them back to work.
Without unions you get Uber and Amazon wages where nobody can afford to buy a house, even if there is no immigration.
 

DesRicardo

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You realize that the rental price jump occurred when Duggo abolished rent controls, huh?

And had nothing to do with Justin?
Duggo responsible for rent increases all across Canada too? Not Trudeau's faulty and uncontrolled immigration?
 
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