I will never hate Islam again!

[xmontrealer]

Did you see the video that squeezer posted? It showed Bethlehem as totally walled in with all access controlled through checkpoints.
That is the source of the oppression driving Christians out of Israel.

5 Things to Know About Israel’s Oppression of Christian Palestinians | Key Issues | Resources | The Institute for Middle East Understanding (IMEU)

imeu.org

So your source is the pro-Palestinian imeu.org.

Here is a copy and paste from "Israel Hayom", from March 2, 2025.

I wonder which one is more truthful? Is it the Israelis, or is it the Muslims, that are more accepting of Christian "infidels"? Three guesses and the first two don't count...

WHY ARE THERE NO CHRISTIANS IN BETHLEHEM?

About a week ago, the United Nations headquarters in Geneva screened the film Via Dolorosa, which tells the story of Christians in the Holy Land. During the screening, Father Ibrahim Faltas stated that many Christians have lost their faith and "fled the Christian areas of Jerusalem, Bethlehem, and Nazareth." While many blame Israel for this reality, the systematic oppression of Christians has, in fact, been carried out for decades by the Palestinian authorities in Judea and Samaria and in Gaza.

"Terrorist attacks against Christians, assaults on churches, cemeteries, and Christian properties in the Palestinian Authority... have become daily occurrences, and their severity clearly intensifies during Christian holidays," the Greek Orthodox Church recently declared.

Reports from Gaza describe attacks on Christians and Christian holy sites (including cemeteries) carried out by Hamas police. Legal scholar and researcher Justus Reid Weiner wrote in a July 2024 report for The Bitachonist: "Over the course of a decade, I interviewed dozens of Palestinian Christians who were victims of attacks. Many of those I interviewed were too frightened to tell their stories."

These are not isolated incidents of persecution but a systematic, institutionalized suppression, often initiated or backed by the Palestinian Authority and Hamas. In a December 2024 report by the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, a Protestant pastor from the Palestinian Authority testified that the Palestinian police do not protect Christians.

In the report, Sanaa Razi Nashash from Beit Jala described how she went to the police to file a complaint against a Muslim man who assaulted her—only to find the assailant wearing a police uniform. Christians who manage to reach local courts rarely receive justice, while the perpetrators are left unpunished.

In 2003, the Palestinian Authority closed the Ministry of Religious Affairs and announced its intention to impose Sharia law on all Palestinians. Under Sharia, Christians (like Jews) are granted the inferior status of dhimmi (protected persons), as they have not converted to Islam.

A dhimmi may pay a tax in exchange for protection from being killed or enslaved under Islamic law. In practice, however, the Palestinian authorities persecute the Christian population through systematic land confiscations via the Palestinian courts, extortion and seizure of Christian-owned businesses, and systematic discrimination against Christians in employment. Christians are excluded from leadership positions in the Palestinian Authority and face difficulties buying and selling land and property.

Bethlehem, long considered a Christian city, exemplifies these trends of demographic and cultural decline. According to the Christian Information Center, in 1950 Christians made up 86% of Bethlehem's population. Until the Oslo Accords, Bethlehem had the largest Christian majority of any city in the area, but since the Palestinian Authority assumed control in 1994, the Christian population has steadily decreased.

A 2017 census revealed that only 10% of Bethlehem's residents were Christians. Meanwhile, Hamas has increasingly intervened in city leadership, with its members occupying most seats on the city council - contrary to Palestinian law.

In Gaza, the situation is even worse. Since Hamas took over the Gaza Strip in 2007, the Christian population has shrunk from 5,000 to approximately 600 today. Testimonies from Palestinian Christians in Gaza, collected by Christian organizations, describe a constant threat to their lives.

Some have reported practicing their faith in secret - and some even grow beards to blend in with the Muslim population, following reports of kidnappings and forced conversions to Islam. In 2016, Gaza Bishop Alexios submitted a petition on the matter to Ismail Haniyeh on behalf of the Christian community, but received no response.

The situation is particularly dire for women and girls, who suffer from sexual assaults and rape. In a rare 2002 interview, Inas Jaris Hanna Musleh, a 23-year-old Palestinian Christian teacher at the Joy School in Beit Sahur, said that public harassment began with the rise of the Palestinian Authority.

Christian women in the Palestinian Authority and Gaza have also reported receiving death threats from Muslims who oppose their presence in public spaces. In 2004, a 16-year-old Christian girl was kidnapped from Bethlehem by a Muslim man whose relatives hold senior positions in the Palestinian Authority's security services. In 2020, a Christian girl was kidnapped, and in 2023, a 22-year-old woman was abducted. Both were kidnapped by Muslims, subjected to physical, sexual, and psychological violence, and were only released following international intervention.

The Western world prefers to turn the other cheek.

 

[Klatuu]

So your source is the pro-Palestinian imeu.org.

Here is a copy and paste from "Israel Hayom", from March 2, 2025.

I wonder which one is more truthful? Is it the Israelis, or is it the Muslims, that are more accepting of Christian "infidels"? Three guesses and the first two don't count...

WHY ARE THERE NO CHRISTIANS IN BETHLEHEM?

About a week ago, the United Nations headquarters in Geneva screened the film Via Dolorosa, which tells the story of Christians in the Holy Land. During the screening, Father Ibrahim Faltas stated that many Christians have lost their faith and "fled the Christian areas of Jerusalem, Bethlehem, and Nazareth." While many blame Israel for this reality, the systematic oppression of Christians has, in fact, been carried out for decades by the Palestinian authorities in Judea and Samaria and in Gaza.

"Terrorist attacks against Christians, assaults on churches, cemeteries, and Christian properties in the Palestinian Authority... have become daily occurrences, and their severity clearly intensifies during Christian holidays," the Greek Orthodox Church recently declared.

Reports from Gaza describe attacks on Christians and Christian holy sites (including cemeteries) carried out by Hamas police. Legal scholar and researcher Justus Reid Weiner wrote in a July 2024 report for The Bitachonist: "Over the course of a decade, I interviewed dozens of Palestinian Christians who were victims of attacks. Many of those I interviewed were too frightened to tell their stories."

These are not isolated incidents of persecution but a systematic, institutionalized suppression, often initiated or backed by the Palestinian Authority and Hamas. In a December 2024 report by the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, a Protestant pastor from the Palestinian Authority testified that the Palestinian police do not protect Christians.

In the report, Sanaa Razi Nashash from Beit Jala described how she went to the police to file a complaint against a Muslim man who assaulted her—only to find the assailant wearing a police uniform. Christians who manage to reach local courts rarely receive justice, while the perpetrators are left unpunished.

In 2003, the Palestinian Authority closed the Ministry of Religious Affairs and announced its intention to impose Sharia law on all Palestinians. Under Sharia, Christians (like Jews) are granted the inferior status of dhimmi (protected persons), as they have not converted to Islam.

A dhimmi may pay a tax in exchange for protection from being killed or enslaved under Islamic law. In practice, however, the Palestinian authorities persecute the Christian population through systematic land confiscations via the Palestinian courts, extortion and seizure of Christian-owned businesses, and systematic discrimination against Christians in employment. Christians are excluded from leadership positions in the Palestinian Authority and face difficulties buying and selling land and property.

Bethlehem, long considered a Christian city, exemplifies these trends of demographic and cultural decline. According to the Christian Information Center, in 1950 Christians made up 86% of Bethlehem's population. Until the Oslo Accords, Bethlehem had the largest Christian majority of any city in the area, but since the Palestinian Authority assumed control in 1994, the Christian population has steadily decreased.

A 2017 census revealed that only 10% of Bethlehem's residents were Christians. Meanwhile, Hamas has increasingly intervened in city leadership, with its members occupying most seats on the city council - contrary to Palestinian law.

In Gaza, the situation is even worse. Since Hamas took over the Gaza Strip in 2007, the Christian population has shrunk from 5,000 to approximately 600 today. Testimonies from Palestinian Christians in Gaza, collected by Christian organizations, describe a constant threat to their lives.

Some have reported practicing their faith in secret - and some even grow beards to blend in with the Muslim population, following reports of kidnappings and forced conversions to Islam. In 2016, Gaza Bishop Alexios submitted a petition on the matter to Ismail Haniyeh on behalf of the Christian community, but received no response.

The situation is particularly dire for women and girls, who suffer from sexual assaults and rape. In a rare 2002 interview, Inas Jaris Hanna Musleh, a 23-year-old Palestinian Christian teacher at the Joy School in Beit Sahur, said that public harassment began with the rise of the Palestinian Authority.

Christian women in the Palestinian Authority and Gaza have also reported receiving death threats from Muslims who oppose their presence in public spaces. In 2004, a 16-year-old Christian girl was kidnapped from Bethlehem by a Muslim man whose relatives hold senior positions in the Palestinian Authority's security services. In 2020, a Christian girl was kidnapped, and in 2023, a 22-year-old woman was abducted. Both were kidnapped by Muslims, subjected to physical, sexual, and psychological violence, and were only released following international intervention.

The Western world prefers to turn the other cheek.

Why don’t you stop that Zio evasion and address each of the points in Frank’s attachment?

 

[Frankfooter]

Not true because it’s not possible. ! It’s propoganda.

Its sadly true.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2067952787581714625

 

[Frankfooter]

I would ask that you then enlighten me. But you can’t. I feel sorry for you that you hate history so much.

There are a ton of sources on the history.
You won't read them, but maybe you'd watch a movie or at least a trailer.

 

[Frankfooter]

So your source is the pro-Palestinian imeu.org.

Here is a copy and paste from "Israel Hayom", from March 2, 2025.

I find this problem quite often talking with zionists. While I really do honestly appreciate that we can dialog one issue that repeatedly comes up is that most zionists, more so than most Jews, won't accept non-Jewish or non-Israeli sources. I've tried with the sources that should be most unbiased, like Amnesty or HRW. Or international sources like UN, ICC or ICJ reports. Even MSF, UNICEF or WFP aren't accepted. Even going to the Israeli B'tselem isn't good enough. But yes, if I post an Arabic or Muslim source I know that won't be considered at all, its all part of the problem. And really, you should question why you won't consider the views of the Arab world and what that says about your own views.

But Israel Hayom?

Israel Hayom (Hebrew: יִשְׂרָאֵל הַיּוֹם, lit. 'Israel Today') is an Israeli Hebrew-language free daily newspaper. Distributed for free around Israel,[6] it is the country's most widely distributed newspaper.[7][2] Owned by the family of Sheldon Adelson, the casino mogul and political donor, Israel Hayom has been noted for its right-wing editorial stance and coverage of Israeli politics, often sparking debate about its political alignment.

Given all that, I'll post a link to a Haaretz article. Though I expect you'll say its 'leftist' or 'fake news' or something.

J'lem church leaders urge Knesset to address 'hate crimes' against Christians

At a Knesset hearing on harassment of Christian clergy in Jerusalem's Old City amid growing scrutiny of violent incidents, church leaders described spitting, kicking, stone-throwing and intimidation, which opposition MK Gilad Kariv called a 'moral disgrace'

www.haaretz.com

 

[Frankfooter]

Because a machine gun attached to a crane with duct tape 150 feet in the air shot a Palestinian from 10km away where a soldier used a string attached to the trigger , pulled it and made a world record kill where the bullet flew through six buildings and a car window. How fucken dumb can you be to believe this. Palestinians posting fake and unrealistic things are themselves in awe that you’re buying it. LOL. I think you need to show me a diagram of how this is feasible. Please and thank you.

Israel has been documented using AI targeting for drones, putting AI controlled guns on top of a crane is not even a small stretch. They were flying drones with the sounds of kids crying, they've put bombs disguised as cans of food. This is not a stretch.
Its just yet another application of Palantir tech.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1944314288132292955

 

[Frankfooter]

So can You actually, coherently explain your case. What am I wrong about. ? Instead of leading me to someone’s skewed version of history. Just write a paragraph disputing my points. You won’t because the facts can’t be refuted. And because you’re lazy. You’d rather eat some Burger King and scroll through Left Wing Twitter. Which amazingly is owned by Elon who could, but won’t , shut down the Lefts BS.

Fine, zionism is a 19th century foreign settler colonial movement whose stated and published goals around 1906 and on were to take and colonize all of Palestine.
Those acts were carried out by terrorist gangs like Irgun, Lehi and Haganah, who later became the Israeli government. The King David hotel bombing was a precursor to the Nakba, an ethnic cleansing war that drove 700,000 Palestinians off their homeland. They poisoned wells and terrorized the population.

Since then there has been a slow campaign to wipe all of Palestine off the maps, doing as much as they thought they could get away with before losing the claim they were the victims. Now the logical conclusion of a racial supremacist, colonial settler movement is being implemented in the form of apartheid, genocide and wars to establish Greater Israel.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2068441180627685666

 

[ILuvToFu]

A fallacy? My God you cannot be that ignorant. Guess what. Jews have been existing en masse in western countries long before Muslims have. They assimilated into the culture because they helped build said culture. Muslims didn't and many have a difficult time assimilating because they aren't aligned with our culture and values. That is a straight up fact.

Don't you forget why the holocaust happened...yes, I forgot it was people from the same country and same cultures. Where did many Jews escape to? Yes, Muslim lands and in Palestine they created mischief.

Who introduced the concert of taking a bath, no not western civilization...but middle east. Let's talk about bidet...wiping the ass clean...no, not western civilization.

AI:
Muslim civilizations, especially during the medieval period, influenced many practices and ideas that later became common in the West. Some examples include:

Mathematics: Muslim scholars preserved and expanded Greek and Indian mathematics. The Arabic numeral system (0–9) and algebra (from the Arabic word al-jabr) were transmitted to Europe through the Islamic world.

Medicine: Physicians such as Ibn Sina compiled medical knowledge into texts that were used in European universities for centuries.

Science and the Scientific Method: Muslim astronomers, chemists, and physicists made advances in observation, experimentation, and record-keeping that influenced later European scientific development.

Universities and Libraries: Major centers of learning in cities such as Baghdad and Cordoba preserved and translated knowledge that helped fuel the European Renaissance.

Commerce and Banking: Muslim merchants developed sophisticated trade networks, credit instruments, and accounting practices that influenced European commercial systems.

Everyday Products: Items such as coffee, refined sugar, and certain textiles spread from or through the Islamic world and became integrated into Western culture and consumption habits.

Overall, Muslim societies served as important centers of learning, innovation, and cultural exchange, helping transmit and develop knowledge that influenced many aspects of Western civilization.

Enjoy and stay clean, courtesy of Muslims bud

 

[Frankfooter]

There is 2 fundamental questions. Please answer them for me.
1) who was there first. ? Jews or Arabs.
2) can two peoples coexist in two states side by side?

my answer to these is
1) Jews
2) yes, Jews are happy go coexists as evidenced by the existence of the West Bank and many offers and negotiations for a palestiiian state. It’s Palestinians who are always walking away from the negotiations and then resorting to terrorism. They’re all on From the River to The Sea. Or martyrdom. They don’t want two states. They only want one. Theirs.

1) simplistic and wrong - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine
2) Yes, prior to zionism Muslims, Jews, Christians and others lived together largely in peace, the way they did throughout the middle east. Zionism changed that by encouraging immigration to Palestine to colonize the country at the expense of the local Muslim and Christian populations.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

But nobody is hating on Muslims as a people here.

Great. So there is no reason to hate Islam as the OP has said.

 

[Frankfooter]

You are blatantly dishonest if you’re arguing that Jews were not there before Arabs.
And you did not answer question 2. Can they live side by side today ? Jews are fine with it. Are Arabs ? Your reputation of having any sort of intelligence is in the line here….Frank !

1) Sumerians were before as were a few other peoples.
2) Yes, as long as there are no racial supremacists like zionists they can live in peace. You can't live in peace with nazis or zionists.

 

[Frankfooter]

Can they live side by side today ?

Zionists will never let it happen.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2068488606470295881

 

[ILuvToFu]

I will not argue Muslim accomplishments throughout history. There are many. Including amazing Architecture. I’ve seen a lot of it in my travels. But nobody is hating on Muslims as a people here. It’s the fundamentalists that have risen in the past 50 years that are the issue.

The fundamentalist are a minority yet the western world paints all Muslims with the same brush...Islam is the only religion ask to defend its self when fundamentalist create havoc.

Did you hear about Bernie Maddoff...the corrupt Jewish scumbag that swindled many? Were all Jews asked to defend Judaism? More recently the sex predator, a Jew called Esptein, are all Jews then sex predators...many are but Jews are not asked to defend Judaism. Let's talk about a Jew called Jonathan Pollard who worked as an American Intelligence Analyst and spied and betrayed America for Israel, why didn't the synagogues be put under surveillance?

Israel is now blacklisted by UN for war sex crimes, are all Jews asked to defend Judaism coz of these sex crimes?

Have you heard of rabbis calling non-Jews animals? Now imagine a Muslim said that, and there are many...you will hear everywhere and here from the Jewish xenophobes:
Vinson
Hapheastus
Troubadour121
MaverickPunter

Are these guys representatives of all Jews here on Terb? Tell me...

Stay informed, stay fair.

 

[Mandala]

All religions Anthropomorphize God (verb):
To attribute human characteristics, emotions, or behaviors to non-human entities — such as animals, objects, gods, or natural phenomena.

which is ridiculous.
God is not male or female.
Does not have human emotions

Religions think we are the center of everything and the reason for the existence of everything

Texts were written thousands of years by scientifically illiterate desert dwellers whose beliefs were based on superstition, yet we revere and kill each other over what they may or may not have written simply because it is old

Crazy

 

[ILuvToFu]

I actually seance a heavy bias on your part. There are bad news out there. For sure. But none of them are calling for the extermination of a whole people. Radical Islam is not so small and has been fuelled by a whole regime, Iran. They want an another holocaust and the entire land of Israel. Followed by a take over of the west. Which is actually happening first. I ask you my friend, to stay “fair”.

Iran has for years called America and Israel as Satan, shouted death to America, called an end to the zionist regime in Israel. Iran cannot fight America nor have Iranians killed Americans outside America. Another Holocaust? Ain't happening. That is all hot air and you know, it will mean end of Iran.

All these are just propaganda to create a bogey man to justify western military attacks.

Muslims taking over Europe? You get scared to see Muslims praying in public, its freedom of religion. In fact Muslims are keeping God in the daily lives. Christians not attending churches is not a Muslim problem, its their own. Empty churches are turned to mosque as Christians have given up on attending churches.

Your failure to uphold your practice is not my problem. My practice is not your end either...have more children and attend churches.

Stay informed, stay just.

 

[Frankfooter]

But none of them are calling for the extermination of a whole people.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2067946325069504513

 

[ILuvToFu]

They can thank the politicians for that, otherwise they wouldn't be there to begin with.
Weren't around in massive numbers in the 70s, 80s, 90s and early 00s. So clearly it's because of politics and nothing else, which leads to people to think why this has happened and is happening.

Zero time to think for yourselves, just lemmings blindly following and praying 5x a day, then sleep the other half.
Freedom of religion is fine, but don't impede other people and their lives.
Also, maybe those in the Mosques they should tell others, maybe it's not such a good idea for grown men to be playing with underage girls.

Yeah, I still can't get an answer as to why Allah who is the creator of this world (to Muslims), why would he create dogs, only to have his clueless followers deem dogs to be dirty and bad.
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So unless the dog is doing work, it's useless and you lose some social credit score? Just shows how ridiculous the religion is, God creates it, but somehow it gets twisted that they're bad.
If God created it, appreciate it for what it is, period. That's it. Goes to show some desert dwellers decided to write a book with their own rules and pretend it came from the sky or through some prophet on a flying horse. lmfao

You'll fit right in with the Social Credit system, but the grooming of underage girls and raping them, no point deductions then?

There's so much to dissect here but very briefly;

"wouldn't be there to begin with. Weren't around in massive numbers in the 70s, 80s, 90s and early 00s. So clearly it's because of politics and nothing else". Well, tell the politicians to stop sending bombs then just maybe they won't be here. However, many are seeing Islam in better light are choosing to convert and increasing in numbers...not immigration. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the west led mostly by women who some how are poorly treated by the religion but are converting in big numbers

"Also, maybe those in the Mosques they should tell others, maybe it's not such a good idea for grown men to be playing with underage girls" Agreed, but let's also look inwards and call out the Esptein class, Israel as country just got honored for sexual crimes by the UN.

"why would he create dogs, only to have his clueless followers deem dogs to be dirty and bad". Silly you, God created many things that are deemed bad after. Eating pig is explicitly forbidden in the Old Testament yet God created it and so was Satan...feel free to enjoy both at your peril!

"That's it. Goes to show some desert dwellers decided to write a book with their own rules and pretend it came from the sky or through some prophet on a flying horse. lmfao" A lot things defy human logic including a desert dweller whose followers are chosen people...why create all then chose one? And promised land 3000 years ago let alone part the Red Sea. Or, encountering a burning bush that talked to him! Another died on a cross but resurrected after 3 days and is 3 entities yet one (read Trinity). A god that could only save man by killing his only begotten son! Didn't the 10 commandments say "thou shall not kill" By killing his son is god sinful then? So much to say...lotsa point deduction here.

Don't throw stones from a glass house, it might just crash on your head...

Stay informed, stay real.

 

[yeahyeahyeah]

Everyone knows Islam and its poisonous supremacist, colonizing religion is the singular problem in the West after Marxist/socialist bullshit.

Only idiots keep arguing about it. Smart people already know what's at stake and are working to prevent this poison from killing our society.

Zero Muslim immigration. Period.

And the fact that many individual Muslims are perfectly decent and good people is irrelevant. Grow up.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Zero Muslim immigration. Period.
And the fact that many individual Muslims are perfectly decent and good people is irrelevant. Grow up.

If most Muslim individuals are perfectly decent and good people, which I agree is true, then it automatically means there is no issue with Islam in the west and there is no reason to stop them from coming here.
A religion is as practiced by its followers.
Which is exactly why the OP is right and also why you will have more and more Muslim immigration to Canada, whether one likes it or not.

 

[Frankfooter]

Everyone knows Islam and its poisonous supremacist, colonizing religion is the singular problem in the West after Marxist/socialist bullshit.

Only idiots keep arguing about it. Smart people already know what's at stake and are working to prevent this poison from killing our society.

Zero Muslim immigration. Period.

And the fact that many individual Muslims are perfectly decent and good people is irrelevant. Grow up.

Racists are just so stupid.