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mandrill

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Why is that so commendable? The U.S. system is designed for course corrections and contradictions.

We don't have a system where having a 51% margin one election cycle leads to shifting government policy for more than a few years. Most Western Parliamentary systems give the party in power more time and authority to make policy. That doesn't make a parliamentary party commendable either.

History, distant history I might add, has a way of looking at what was commendable and a long-lasting achievement.
It's commendable because he did it and many would not have been able to.

He did it with a minority in the House after 2022 and a slim majority in the Senate.

Tell me what Trump did?
 

mandrill

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Frank, these are your exact words: "Allowing an independent investigation shows that Biden supports an independent judiciary........" .

There is no dishonor saying that in the heat of the discussion your words came out wrong.
How is Frankie wrong there, Earp?
 
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The House Committee on Oversight and Accountability is simply looking for equal treatment under the law. I don't know how it works in Canada, but the DOJ and other government agencies have a dotted line to the House. I don't think it's a stretch for the House to consider whether the President's son is receiving special treatment.

You might not like the bluster that comes out of our Congress, but that's been the history and nature of our legislative body for two hundred years. I think you are one of those guys who has basically said history-schmistory. To give this recent perspective, remember when Adam Schiff was telling the media he had seen the evidence of Trump's collusion with Russia. That was technically very bad form for the Head of the House Intelligence Committee to politicize a very serious national security position with access to confidential information.
"Equal treatment under the law" of a private citizen who has been charged with pretty run-of-the-mill crimes? And he gets an entire House Committee to rant and finger-wag?! For several years of ranting, finger-wagging and doing fuck-all else?!

C'mon, Earp. This is performative crap. Hunter gets charged with a couple of tax evasions and avoids jail by paying back the $$$. That's pretty fucking standard. And there's a misleading statement about drug use on a firearm application. What next, Earp?.... Gym Jordan going to follow Biden around his summer place in Delaware to see if Biden bicycles through a fucking stop sign?!

Now you may style yourself "TERB's intellectual presence". But Frankie and I have a different name for you. We call you "Mister Deflecty". Because not only do you rant on with nonsense about "equal treatment under the law", but you bring up something totally unconnected about Adam Shiff 5 years ago. Now the Shiff anecdote has nothing to do with the Bidens, does it?

In fact, it has nothing to do with anything in this thread. But nothing is nicer than a good "The Dems did this-and-that 27 years ago" story. Especially when you then suggest that the person you're arguing with knows nothing about history - and make that your little "icing on the cake moment".

The Hunter saga is shit the GOP rides because they know Trump will lose the 2024 GE unless they besmirch Biden and this is the best they can do. Hunter is a drug-addicted, nepo kid who rode his family name into a couple of decades of coke snorting and hooker banging as few have ever been able to accomplish. But doesn't it all really being and end with the "He was a spoiled fuck up who spend his entire spoiled life fucking up"???....

The only thing that I can think of pettier and less relevant that Hunter Biden is a vilification campaign against one of Biden's pets - say Major the dog. But the GOP would - I hope - never sink that low.... Oh wait a minute, they already have!!

Your buddy Butler has already started to cut and paste GOP attacks on the canine.
 

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Do you really feel that Hunter was investigated with rigor? Do you think the two career IRS agents who became whistleblowers are lying?
5 years? 5 years.
And this is all they got. Remember first 2 years of this investigationTrump was president. He appointed the prosecutor.
 

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I think people understand nepotism. Even without a direct link and charges they will draw the conclusion Joe was involved. And that Hunter used the Name. This isn't a Billy Carter situation. Hunter has gotten too many breaks. The drug diversions are especially problematic to some black men.
Nixons brother was wire tapped by Nixon cause he was leveraging his fame. Billy Carter. Neil Bush. Roger Clinton. ivanka and Jared whilst working for the government!!
 
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Because the committee needs to investigate Hunter first, in order to eventually impeach Joe. Most of Joe's corruption, was done through Hunter's business dealings. By the way, Hunter's recovering drug addiction, is absolutely no excuse, for Hunter's deviant and corrupt behaviour!!
Haven't they already been investigating Hunter for a couple of years now and found dick-all?

If you were the police, Mitchy, wouldn't you stop investigating someone you wanted to put in jail after a few weeks because nothing solid turned up. It's a waste of time, right?

But the cops actually work for a fucking living, unlike spoiled cunts like Gym Jordan who is too dumb and too lazy to hold a useful actual job and simply capers and hoots at photo ops to earn money.


Hunter is very lucky his last name is "Biden", or Hunter would be in jail by now!!
No, he wouldn't. They haven't actually proved that he's done anything wrong - aside from the plea deal where he admitted wrongdoing.
 

mandrill

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I think people understand nepotism. Even without a direct link and charges they will draw the conclusion Joe was involved. And that Hunter used the Name. This isn't a Billy Carter situation. Hunter has gotten too many breaks. The drug diversions are especially problematic to some black men.
Didn't Hunter get the drug diversion in the 1990's when he was 20 years old?

Yeah that sounds like the sort of favour a well connected, powerful guy gets his kid. But it falls well fucking short of being outrageous.
 

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The House Committee on Oversight and Accountability is simply looking for equal treatment under the law. I don't know how it works in Canada, but the DOJ and other government agencies have a dotted line to the House. I don't think it's a stretch for the House to consider whether the President's son is receiving special treatment.

You might not like the bluster that comes out of our Congress, but that's been the history and nature of our legislative body for two hundred years. I think you are one of those guys who has basically said history-schmistory. To give this recent perspective, remember when Adam Schiff was telling the media he had seen the evidence of Trump's collusion with Russia. That was technically very bad form for the Head of the House Intelligence Committee to politicize a very serious national security position with access to confidential information.
Nice try. The committee is in search of issues to soften up Joe for the benefit of the stable genius or whoever might be the nominee. Can you say Bengazi?
 

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It seems to me the only fraud resulting in arrest was committed by Republicans.
Thus what if the fraud was actually making the vote even closer? After all, Biden was leading by 7 points in the polls, and won by 4 points.
Hmm. Well, our fraud didn't work, but we tried, so therefore just give us the election. That seems to be the philosophy.
 
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Nice try. The committee is in search of issues to soften up Joe for the benefit of the stable genius or whoever might be the nominee. Can you say Bengazi?
toguy, the House Republicans didn't really have anything directly to do with the plea deal mess. That's your problem in this quagmire. I seem to recall that you were one of the prog posse who thought the plea deal was merely a matter of crossing the T's and dotting the I's.

If you want to scream Benghazi, do you really want to have a discussion about every event in the last twenty years in defense of Hunter Biden?
 
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How is Frankie wrong there, Earp?
Biden isn't allowing anything. That's the point of Frank's ridiculous language.

The plea deal was the easy out for Hunter, but the Judge picked apart the lack of logic in the deal. I don't know how anyone would call that a minor issue for Hunter. I would think those less partisan would say the Special Counsel is not a good thing for Hunter. Having said that, to date it all seems like a clumsy effort to dust this Hunter thing under the rug.

You have to realize your fellow conservative TERB members aren't writing this crazy script that we are all reading/hearing in the media. It seems like your trying to shoot the messengers here, but the message is being broadcast to the entire world.
 
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He had free rein the way Durham had free rein.
The problem is there wasn't anything to discover.

The key difference is Weiss has been involved in this mess for a few years and couldn't even get a fairly sweetheart plea deal across the finish line with the presiding judge. Durham came into his Special Counsel role with relatively fresh eyes.

We have had this discussion before Frank. Stop following tertiary Twitterazzi. You can always find partisans echoing your same thoughts. That's an extreme form of vanity.

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Its a principle that is increasingly not put into practice, see Clarence at the SC and billionaire/federalist funding.
Compare Biden's non interference with rump's repeated calls for people to be locked up, hung, investigated or whatever other threats he's doing daily.

Clearly its not a GOP principle any longer, they are more interested in stacking courts to ban books, abortion, women's rights and lock in gerrymandering.
If you think it should be a binding principle of your country why are you not taking a stand against those who are clearly trying to interfere with the courts?
Thank you for your diversion.
 
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Because the committee needs to investigate Hunter first, in order to eventually impeach Joe. Most of Joe's corruption, was done through Hunter's business dealings. By the way, Hunter's recovering drug addiction, is absolutely no excuse, for Hunter's deviant and corrupt behaviour!!
It's much harder to prosecute than you realize. We have the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act that prevents American corporation and individuals from giving money to foreign dignitaries and their families essentially for nothing but perceived favors. The U.S. Govt. does not have to prove favors were granted in return for the money to make their case. It's simply illegal.

In a strange turnabout, it's entirely legal for foreign corporations and individuals to curry favor with American politicians and their families unless some type of quid pro quo can be proven.
 
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I think the current US Supreme Court interpreted bribery as so narrow that one briber almost has to declare it a bribe in words.
 
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Except Biden is not a poor candidate. Trump most definitely is. The only ones saying Biden is a poor candidate are the partisan ones, and the only way they have of making him appear poor, is not to actually comment on policy, but to accuse him of being guilty by association.
Are 55% of Americans partisan? I don't know.........I call that a solid majority of Americans. Perhaps we are all partisans so you could be correct, but there is still the matter of 55%.


By the way, what is this weak comment about guilt by association? Is his association with his son what you are referencing?

I also wouldn't exactly trust pollsters. Trump continually polled poorly in 2016, only to become president.
I think you are kind of lost on this topic. Trump won because Hillary was a poor candidate. Generally, the pollsters later admitted their methods overestimated Hillary's popularity or put another way they underestimated the electorate's disapproval of her. Not to pile on, but I think it's also generally accepted that her 2016 campaign and execution was poorly-conceived.
 
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