Frank, these are your exact words: "Allowing an independent investigation shows that Biden supports an independent judiciary........" .
There is no dishonor saying that in the heat of the discussion your words came out wrong.
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There is no dishonor saying that in the heat of the discussion your words came out wrong.
Biden is supporting an independent judiciary by not acting, not 'allowing' and not stopping.
If you want to try to argue that doing nothing is acting, go ahead.
If you want to argue that my use of that phrase means I think he's 'acting' on the judicial system, go ahead.
Feel free to argue that I'm being dishonest and Biden is destroying the judicial system.
Personally, I think you're being pedantic because you don't have a legit criticism of this move.
That is the point. The hunter investigation gas very little to do with Hunter and everything to do with helping the stable genius.
I'm not sure about that. I don't think you can be either.
I am not even convinced there will be a Biden-Trump rematch next year.
What gives you the delusion that you have any insight into average people, least of all Dem voters?
Not at all. I was specifically speaking to mitch. He is proudly, self-admittedly coo-coo for Coco-Puffs completely down the alt-right Trump/Sky wormhole. His posts give me the clear impression he has lost touch with the mindset of average people. Let alone his Canadian wannabe Trump Magaboy insight into what American Democrat voters feel.Are you relying on popularity polls of Joe Biden to reinforce your point of view? I'm fairly certain that people making strong arguments don't end them with.
I am Canadian and have no delusions of my absolutely ZERO ability to "support" Biden or any American politician. 'Politics' discussions here are simply a substitute for guys who like to talk sports. Every <insert losing team of choice here> fan absolutely knows how to run the team better than the owners, managers, coaches etc. Could make better decisions on the field than the players etc.
That said, I wish that Biden wasn't going to run for president of our neighbouring country. Among other things I think he is indeed too old. Despite the wisdom and experience that comes with age. And I do not think he is an inspiring Leader. But fwiw, I think he is one of the least corrupt, and financially motivated major politician in US politics. It is my personal feeling that ascribing malicious or corrupt intentions to him is simply a symptom of the viscious Right vs Left / Us vs Them binary battle to burn the other party.
And to be frank, I'd rather a guy like Chris Christie become President.
Trump? Not a chance. It is clear he is only in it to feed his own personal narcissistic need for cult-leader adoration and to maintain his billionaire lifestyle at the expense of his cult followers. Imagine that this billionaire flies around on his personal 757 yet begs for money from Lunchbox Larry to pay his mail-order bride's hairdresser $200k?
Frank, it's very simple. Biden is NOT "allowing an independent investigation". There is nothing to be commended.
In our system, an independent judiciary is an inherent principle. What President Biden does or doesn't do with the Judiciary is neither here nor there to that principle.
1. Can anyone explain to me, simply, why making Weiss a "Special Council" is bad?
2. And what exactly would be the appropriate course of action to investigate the claims of illegal activity (influence peddling etc) by both Hunter Biden AND Joe Biden.
Serious, sincere question.
2. And what exactly would be the appropriate course of action to investigate the claims of illegal activity (influence peddling etc) by both Hunter Biden AND Joe Biden.
Serious, sincere question.
I think people understand nepotism. Even without a direct link and charges they will draw the conclusion Joe was involved. And that Hunter used the Name. This isn't a Billy Carter situation. Hunter has gotten too many breaks. The drug diversions are especially problematic to some black men.
I don't have an issue at this point. The origional plea deal was weak imo. But with the scrutiny now I think a trial is coming. Hunter, unless Dad orders him to won't accept jail time imo. He will fight it. And the investigations are going to continue.
With how partisan Washington is I honestly wonder if it's possible to get an investigation on Joe. That and the bad laws in place. The interpretation of defining a lobbyist can be difficult sometimes, and that is the key to this. And the key charge. Because if he is convicted of working as an unregistered lobbyist tgen the attention goes to who he "lobbied". And that is Dad.
Well Trump is not under any criminal charges for rape. And the civil suit is now defamation. As for fraud no doubt. But in a way its already baked in with Trump. Cripes he got the evangelical vote dedpite his reputation. And the Supreme court win and want to push that further will get them out again.
Remember Hunter is in a way a new thing. New revelations. That counts.
What other explanation is there for a congressional committee dedicated to the son of a president who has never been in government and is a recovering drug addiction.
You are likely right. It won’t matter that the facts of these allegations are in no way equivalent between the two candidates. The GOP and Fox will just keep repeating “Biden Crime Family” and that’s all conservatives will need to justify a vote for Trump.
But…as you said before…the facts may only sway a small number of voters but in a close election that can make the difference.
Its a principle that is increasingly not put into practice, see Clarence at the SC and billionaire/federalist funding.
Compare Biden's non interference with rump's repeated calls for people to be locked up, hung, investigated or whatever other threats he's doing daily.
Clearly its not a GOP principle any longer, they are more interested in stacking courts to ban books, abortion, women's rights and lock in gerrymandering.
If you think it should be a binding principle of your country why are you not taking a stand against those who are clearly trying to interfere with the courts?
In 5 years of rump appointed investigations they haven't found any sign of corruption with Joe Biden.
Why do you think they will?
I don’t think Garland cares either way. I think his primary concern is trying to restore public confidence in the DOJ. To that end, it seems to me that Garland will go out of his way to appear unbiased to the point that he will overachieve in going after Hunter Biden…Kinda like the baseball coach who is extra tough on his own kid to show the other kids he doesn’t favour his son.
As far as Weiss goes, I think you are right. He received overwhelming criticism from the Right for Hunter’s “sweetheart” plea deal and seems like he is trying to atone for it now. I think he will just keep “investigating” Hunter indefinitely for…I dunno what…It doesn’t matter. As long as Trump and the GOP can truthfully say that Hunter is “under investigation” they will be happy. Same thing Trump was trying to do with Zelensky in Ukraine when he got impeached the first time.
As far as Joe Biden goes, he would obviously prefer that this matter would just get resolved and go away…but until someone presents actual credible evidence that Joe was involved in Hunter’s crimes I will just keep
to the smears and disinformation that the GOP keep spewing.
It’s not supposed to be that way…but the Trump-era DOJ demonstrated that principle can no longer be assumed or taken for granted.
Biden could intervene in this matter. He could fire Marrick Garland but, unlike the spineless GOP, I don’t think the Dems would stand for such overt and obvious corruption.
Once again totally right as evidenced by all the congressional committes involving people whose last name is not Biden.
Its rather disingenuous of Wyatt to argue that Biden not interfering means he's doing nothing about judicial independence.
Just as he won't discuss GOP interference and calls for politically based investigations like the ones that Mitch loves to talk about, impeaching Joe and investigating Hunter.
But maybe it is just so tribal to them that all investigations on their party are political and all investigations on the dem or just because Fox says they are the Biden crime family.
The House Committee on Oversight and Accountability is simply looking for equal treatment under the law. I don't know how it works in Canada, but the DOJ and other government agencies have a dotted line to the House. I don't think it's a stretch for the House to consider whether the President's son is receiving special treatment.
You might not like the bluster that comes out of our Congress, but that's been the history and nature of our legislative body for two hundred years. I think you are one of those guys who has basically said history-schmistory. To give this recent perspective, remember when Adam Schiff was telling the media he had seen the evidence of Trump's collusion with Russia. That was technically very bad form for the Head of the House Intelligence Committee to politicize a very serious national security position with access to confidential information.
