Hunter Biden heading for a trial

toguy5252

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The House Committee on Oversight and Accountability is simply looking for equal treatment under the law. I don't know how it works in Canada, but the DOJ and other government agencies have a dotted line to the House. I don't think it's a stretch for the House to consider whether the President's son is receiving special treatment.

You might not like the bluster that comes out of our Congress, but that's been the history and nature of our legislative body for two hundred years. I think you are one of those guys who has basically said history-schmistory. To give this recent perspective, remember when Adam Schiff was telling the media he had seen the evidence of Trump's collusion with Russia. That was technically very bad form for the Head of the House Intelligence Committee to politicize a very serious national security position with access to confidential information.
Nice try. The committee is in search of issues to soften up Joe for the benefit of the stable genius or whoever might be the nominee. Can you say Bengazi?
 

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It seems to me the only fraud resulting in arrest was committed by Republicans.
Thus what if the fraud was actually making the vote even closer? After all, Biden was leading by 7 points in the polls, and won by 4 points.
Hmm. Well, our fraud didn't work, but we tried, so therefore just give us the election. That seems to be the philosophy.
 
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Nice try. The committee is in search of issues to soften up Joe for the benefit of the stable genius or whoever might be the nominee. Can you say Bengazi?
toguy, the House Republicans didn't really have anything directly to do with the plea deal mess. That's your problem in this quagmire. I seem to recall that you were one of the prog posse who thought the plea deal was merely a matter of crossing the T's and dotting the I's.

If you want to scream Benghazi, do you really want to have a discussion about every event in the last twenty years in defense of Hunter Biden?
 
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How is Frankie wrong there, Earp?
Biden isn't allowing anything. That's the point of Frank's ridiculous language.

The plea deal was the easy out for Hunter, but the Judge picked apart the lack of logic in the deal. I don't know how anyone would call that a minor issue for Hunter. I would think those less partisan would say the Special Counsel is not a good thing for Hunter. Having said that, to date it all seems like a clumsy effort to dust this Hunter thing under the rug.

You have to realize your fellow conservative TERB members aren't writing this crazy script that we are all reading/hearing in the media. It seems like your trying to shoot the messengers here, but the message is being broadcast to the entire world.
 
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He had free rein the way Durham had free rein.
The problem is there wasn't anything to discover.

The key difference is Weiss has been involved in this mess for a few years and couldn't even get a fairly sweetheart plea deal across the finish line with the presiding judge. Durham came into his Special Counsel role with relatively fresh eyes.

We have had this discussion before Frank. Stop following tertiary Twitterazzi. You can always find partisans echoing your same thoughts. That's an extreme form of vanity.

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Its a principle that is increasingly not put into practice, see Clarence at the SC and billionaire/federalist funding.
Compare Biden's non interference with rump's repeated calls for people to be locked up, hung, investigated or whatever other threats he's doing daily.

Clearly its not a GOP principle any longer, they are more interested in stacking courts to ban books, abortion, women's rights and lock in gerrymandering.
If you think it should be a binding principle of your country why are you not taking a stand against those who are clearly trying to interfere with the courts?
Thank you for your diversion.
 
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Because the committee needs to investigate Hunter first, in order to eventually impeach Joe. Most of Joe's corruption, was done through Hunter's business dealings. By the way, Hunter's recovering drug addiction, is absolutely no excuse, for Hunter's deviant and corrupt behaviour!!
It's much harder to prosecute than you realize. We have the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act that prevents American corporation and individuals from giving money to foreign dignitaries and their families essentially for nothing but perceived favors. The U.S. Govt. does not have to prove favors were granted in return for the money to make their case. It's simply illegal.

In a strange turnabout, it's entirely legal for foreign corporations and individuals to curry favor with American politicians and their families unless some type of quid pro quo can be proven.
 
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I think the current US Supreme Court interpreted bribery as so narrow that one briber almost has to declare it a bribe in words.
 
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Except Biden is not a poor candidate. Trump most definitely is. The only ones saying Biden is a poor candidate are the partisan ones, and the only way they have of making him appear poor, is not to actually comment on policy, but to accuse him of being guilty by association.
Are 55% of Americans partisan? I don't know.........I call that a solid majority of Americans. Perhaps we are all partisans so you could be correct, but there is still the matter of 55%.


By the way, what is this weak comment about guilt by association? Is his association with his son what you are referencing?

I also wouldn't exactly trust pollsters. Trump continually polled poorly in 2016, only to become president.
I think you are kind of lost on this topic. Trump won because Hillary was a poor candidate. Generally, the pollsters later admitted their methods overestimated Hillary's popularity or put another way they underestimated the electorate's disapproval of her. Not to pile on, but I think it's also generally accepted that her 2016 campaign and execution was poorly-conceived.
 
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I am Canadian and have no delusions of my absolutely ZERO ability to "support" Biden or any American politician. 'Politics' discussions here are simply a substitute for guys who like to talk sports. Every <insert losing team of choice here> fan absolutely knows how to run the team better than the owners, managers, coaches etc. Could make better decisions on the field than the players etc.

That said, I wish that Biden wasn't going to run for president of our neighbouring country. Among other things I think he is indeed too old. Despite the wisdom and experience that comes with age. And I do not think he is an inspiring Leader. But fwiw, I think he is one of the least corrupt, and financially motivated major politician in US politics. It is my personal feeling that ascribing malicious or corrupt intentions to him is simply a symptom of the viscious Right vs Left / Us vs Them binary battle to burn the other party.
This is a refreshing take, but it ignores the realities of social media. Ideologues left and right think they are fighting for the soul of America and the Western World. I myself think the political battles are more mundane than the higher spiritual calling that some seem to think they are answering.
 
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toguy, the House Republicans didn't really have anything directly to do with the plea deal mess. That's your problem in this quagmire. I seem to recall that you were one of the prog posse who thought the plea deal was merely a matter of crossing the T's and dotting the I's.

If you want to scream Benghazi, do you really want to have a discussion about every event in the last twenty years in defense of Hunter Biden?
It has nothing to do with the plea deal. It has everything to do with creating an issue and then a committee to try and soften up Joe. Hunter was a private citizen who has never had a role in government. He should be investigated if he broke the law but that is the job of law enforcement, not the US congress. Let's try and be honest for a moment Wyatt. I am not excusing or condoning anything but trying to rationalize that committee just makes you look silly.
 
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It is Benghazi again. That's just the reality. If you think the Rs really care about corruption after 4+ years of Trump?
Their own words are a good guide. McCarthy explained how Benghazi was to damage Hilary. Full stop.
5 years investigating Hunter in search of ...some connection to Joe? Begging Zelinskyy to open an investigation without any proof? Bolton and all the other diplomats testifying how it was BS?
 

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Biden isn't allowing anything. That's the point of Frank's ridiculous language.

The plea deal was the easy out for Hunter, but the Judge picked apart the lack of logic in the deal. I don't know how anyone would call that a minor issue for Hunter. I would think those less partisan would say the Special Counsel is not a good thing for Hunter. Having said that, to date it all seems like a clumsy effort to dust this Hunter thing under the rug.

You have to realize your fellow conservative TERB members aren't writing this crazy script that we are all reading/hearing in the media. It seems like your trying to shoot the messengers here, but the message is being broadcast to the entire world.
The judge picked out that Weiss and the prosecutor left it open in the plea deal that HB could be charged for the same crimes in different jurisdictions even after the plea deal.
That's why the plea deal failed.

Garland could have called out Weiss for screwing up the file but instead will put it in the open for transparency. Weiss has had 5 years giving him a couple more to figure chase imaginary witnesses, informants that tell him there is nothing and let the GOP try to argue that the tax and gun charges of an ex addict somehow means the Bidens are a 'crime family' for another couple of years.

 
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It's much harder to prosecute than you realize. We have the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act that prevents American corporation and individuals from giving money to foreign dignitaries and their families essentially for nothing but perceived favors. The U.S. Govt. does not have to prove favors were granted in return for the money to make their case. It's simply illegal.

In a strange turnabout, it's entirely legal for foreign corporations and individuals to curry favor with American politicians and their families unless some type of quid pro quo can be proven.
Wyatt, quick question. How do you feel about the $2B + + + Jared made out with? Should Jared and Ivanka be investigated by special counsel?
 

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Biden isn't allowing anything. That's the point of Frank's ridiculous language.

The plea deal was the easy out for Hunter, but the Judge picked apart the lack of logic in the deal. I don't know how anyone would call that a minor issue for Hunter. I would think those less partisan would say the Special Counsel is not a good thing for Hunter. Having said that, to date it all seems like a clumsy effort to dust this Hunter thing under the rug.

You have to realize your fellow conservative TERB members aren't writing this crazy script that we are all reading/hearing in the media. It seems like your trying to shoot the messengers here, but the message is being broadcast to the entire world.
If you can understand and explain the judge's issue with the deal, please do. And reference a couple of articles.

My own impression is that is was technical objections to combining resolutions under different statutes.
 

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toguy, the House Republicans didn't really have anything directly to do with the plea deal mess. That's your problem in this quagmire. I seem to recall that you were one of the prog posse who thought the plea deal was merely a matter of crossing the T's and dotting the I's.
It was / is. But you can't "dot the t's and cross the i's" and it appears that's what the lawyers did.

If you want to scream Benghazi, do you really want to have a discussion about every event in the last twenty years in defense of Hunter Biden?
Sure. Go ahead.

Then tell us where the criminal charges are?

No police force is going to charge someone with "maybe being really high on coke on some video that may have been shot in the US, or else in Europe somewhere, maybe 10 years ago or was it 12 years ago, hey maybe that was in Mexico after all".

Or how about "milking his dad's name to get a cushy board of directors gig in Ukraine that he never even showed up for because he was getting his cock sucked somewhere"?

If you know a prosecutor that would actually prosecute that horseshit, pleas advise.
 

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This is a refreshing take, but it ignores the realities of social media. Ideologues left and right think they are fighting for the soul of America and the Western World. I myself think the political battles are more mundane than the higher spiritual calling that some seem to think they are answering.
Well, as "TERB's intellectual presence", you're certainly entitled to your vaguely expressed opinion, I guess.
 
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