Hamas Willing To Disarm...new position

[NotADcotor]

Interesting. That is the same logic Bibi used when he said that Hitler was not responsible for the holocaust but that the Palestinian Haj Amin al-Husseini, apparently GOADED Hitler into committing a genocide against the Jews. Awww. Pure as snow Hitler goaded by a dastardly Palestinian!

According to you geniuses apparently the Palestinians are good at GOADING people into genocides. EVEN their own genocide!. Apparently no matter who actually COMMITS the genocide, the Palestinians are ALWAYS guilty!.

You said it yourself

I have said this many times before. Many more Palestinians need to die, there needs to be a bigger humanitarian crisis, and there needs to be a massive and sustained increase in protests in the west, in order to first sway the immoral western leaders, the narratives etc in the west, particularly the United States.

What does some bullshit some Bibi guy said about some Al Husseini guy have to do with me or my comment is beyond me.

Also what is going on in gaza IS NOT A FUCKING GENOCIDE YOU RETARDED LYING HATE MONGER. Civilians died when there is conflict in built up areas. 30K in 7 months is not a fucking genocide attempt, if anything it is a sign of restraint.

Israel Tried to Prevent Civilian Casualties More Than Any Nation in History

Israel has taken more measures to avoid needless civilian harm than virtually any other nation that's fought an urban war.

www.newsweek.com

This is not what genocide looks like. Not that you care you hate mongering cunt.

So I have no idea what your comment has to do with mine, because there is no connection except another feeble attempt by you to make fun of someone and once again falling flat on your face and of course you will not admit you failed, either because stubborn or you really can't see it.

Did Hamas not attack Israel on the 7th killing and taking hostages
Was it not entirely predictable that Israel was respond with an attack
Was it also not obvious that in any military attack in a built up area that civilians would be killed.
So how is the attack not an attempt by Hamas to goad Israel into an attack.

You said it yourself in the underlined bit. Your own fucking words.
And yet you turn around with your face palm gif.

Fucking clown shoes



Oh yeah that Israeli genocide
"
By contrast, Israel provided days and then weeks of warnings, as well as time for civilians to evacuate multiple cities in northern Gaza before starting the main air-ground attack of urban areas. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) employed their practice of calling and texting ahead of an air strike as well as roof-knocking, where they drop small munitions on the roof of a building notifying everyone to evacuate the building before a strike.

No military has ever implemented any of these practices in war before.

The IDF has also air-dropped flyers to give civilians instructions on when and how to evacuate, including with safe corridors. (The U.S. implemented these tactics in its second battle of Fallujah and 2016-2017 operation against ISIS in Mosul.) Israel has dropped over 520,000 pamphlets, and broadcast over radio and through social media messages to provide instruction for civilians to leave combat areas.

Israel's use of real phone calls to civilians in combat areas (19,734), SMS texts (64,399) and pre-recorded calls (almost 6 million) to provide instructions on evacuations is also unprecedented."

The IDF also conducted daily four-hour pauses over multiple consecutive days of the war to allow civilians to leave active combat areas. While pauses for civilian evacuations after a war or battle has started is not completely new, the frequency and predictability of these in Gaza have been historic.

Another historical first in war measures to prevent civilian causalities was Israel's distribution of IDF military maps and urban warfare graphics to assist civilians with day to day evacuations and alerting them to where the IDF will be operating. No military in history has ever done this.

It is outrageous that Hamas spent decades and billions of dollars building tunnels under civilian homes and protected areas for the sole purpose of using Palestinian civilians as human shields. It is outrageous that Hamas does not allow civilians in their tunnels, that Hamas says and takes actions to create as many civilian deaths as possible—both its own and Israeli. The atrocities committed on Oct. 7 are outrageous. That Hamas fights in civilian clothes, intermixed within civilians, and launches rockets at Israeli civilians from Palestinian civilian areas is outrageous.

The only people who want Palestinian civilians dead are Hamas and their supporters like you and Frankie
YOU and Frankie want dead civilians. You are the monsters.

 

[NotADcotor]

No, the job has always been to kill as many as he can get away with, to keep the genocide going long enough to stall his corruption case and stall the daily protests over his actions.

This is not what trying to kill as many people civilians as you can looks like. Actually it's the exact oppose.
30K in 7 months with a weak terrorist opposition.
In the battle of Berlin, in just 2 weeks 125K civilians were killed, not that the Russians were purposely targeting civilians [not trying to avoid killing them either] and the Germans were not using their own people as human shields.

Israel Tried to Prevent Civilian Casualties More Than Any Nation in History

Israel has taken more measures to avoid needless civilian harm than virtually any other nation that's fought an urban war.

www.newsweek.com

Oh yeah that Israeli genocide
"
By contrast, Israel provided days and then weeks of warnings, as well as time for civilians to evacuate multiple cities in northern Gaza before starting the main air-ground attack of urban areas. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) employed their practice of calling and texting ahead of an air strike as well as roof-knocking, where they drop small munitions on the roof of a building notifying everyone to evacuate the building before a strike.

No military has ever implemented any of these practices in war before.

The IDF has also air-dropped flyers to give civilians instructions on when and how to evacuate, including with safe corridors. (The U.S. implemented these tactics in its second battle of Fallujah and 2016-2017 operation against ISIS in Mosul.) Israel has dropped over 520,000 pamphlets, and broadcast over radio and through social media messages to provide instruction for civilians to leave combat areas.

Israel's use of real phone calls to civilians in combat areas (19,734), SMS texts (64,399) and pre-recorded calls (almost 6 million) to provide instructions on evacuations is also unprecedented."

The IDF also conducted daily four-hour pauses over multiple consecutive days of the war to allow civilians to leave active combat areas. While pauses for civilian evacuations after a war or battle has started is not completely new, the frequency and predictability of these in Gaza have been historic.

Another historical first in war measures to prevent civilian causalities was Israel's distribution of IDF military maps and urban warfare graphics to assist civilians with day to day evacuations and alerting them to where the IDF will be operating. No military in history has ever done this.

It is outrageous that Hamas spent decades and billions of dollars building tunnels under civilian homes and protected areas for the sole purpose of using Palestinian civilians as human shields. It is outrageous that Hamas does not allow civilians in their tunnels, that Hamas says and takes actions to create as many civilian deaths as possible—both its own and Israeli. The atrocities committed on Oct. 7 are outrageous. That Hamas fights in civilian clothes, intermixed within civilians, and launches rockets at Israeli civilians from Palestinian civilian areas is outrageous.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-tells-gaza-residents-stay-home-israel-ground-offensive-looms-2023-10-13/

Fucking balls on you to keep calling what Israel is doing genocide when they are doing everything beyond reasonably possible to avoid killing civilians and Hamas is purposely trying to do everything they can to get as many of their own people killed as possible

The only people who want Palestinian civilians dead are Hamas and their supporters like you and Frankie
YOU and Frankie want dead civilians. You are the monsters. But then you support terrorists and their land to sea genocide dreams, so...

 

[NotADcotor]

So the question is, will Fankfooter admit that he has lied repeatedly about his claims that Israel is committing genocide, that they are trying to kill as many people as possible. It should be obvious to anyone that this was not true, 30K in 7 months in a built up area is a sign of restraint not murderous intent, 30K his fucking numbers, but with the above articles it should seal the deal

Nah, of course not. Frankie is a hate monger. Much like his Nazi heroes he will tell lie after lie to justify his hate and get other people on board.

 

[Kautilya]

You said it yourself

Yeah I said it because unless and until a massive amounts of appalling deaths happen, the west, particularly the US will not pay any attention to it. 35K is not enough for them. It is injustice, but that is the way it is.

Also what is going on in gaza IS NOT A FUCKING GENOCIDE YOU RETARDED LYING HATE MONGER. C

It IS a genocide. EDUCATE YOURSELF. Stop being illiterate and repeating the same bullshit over and over again from western mainstream media.

For a crime of genocide to happen, the number of people DO NOT MATTER. It could just be 10 people, but if it meets the minimum criteria for genocide as set forth by the genocide convention, then it is genocide.

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/anatomy-of-a-genocide-report-of-the-special-rapporteur-on-the-situation-of-human-rights-in-the-palestinian-territory-occupied-since-1967-to-human-rights-council-advance-unedited-version-a-hrc-55/

Conclusions
93. The overwhelming nature and scale of Israel’s assault on Gaza and the destructive conditions of life it has inflicted reveal an intent to physically destroy Palestinians as a group. This report finds that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating the commission of the following acts of genocide against Palestinians in Gaza has been met: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to groups’ members; and deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part. Genocidal acts were approved and given effect following statements of genocidal intent issued by senior military and government officials.

94. Israel has sought to conceal its eliminationist conduct of hostilities sanctioning the commission of international crimes as IHL-abiding. Distorting IHL customary rules, including distinction, proportionality and precautions, Israel has de facto treated an entire protected group and its life-sustaining infrastructure as ‘terrorist’ or ‘terrorist-supporting’, thus transforming everything and everyone into either a target or collateral damage, hence killable or destroyable. In this way, no Palestinian in Gaza is safe by definition. This has had devastating, intentional effects, costing the lives of tens of thousands of Palestinians, destroying the fabric of life in Gaza and causing irreparable harm to its entire population.

95. Israel’s genocide on the Palestinians in Gaza is an escalatory stage of a longstanding settler colonial process of erasure. For over seven decades this process has suffocated the Palestinian people as a group – demographically, culturally, economically and politically –, seeking to displace it and expropriate and control its land and resources. The ongoing Nakba must be stopped and remedied once and for all. This is an imperative owed to the victims of this highly preventable tragedy, and to future generations in that land.

So the question is, will Fankfooter admit that he has lied repeatedly about his claims that Israel is committing genocide, that they are trying to kill as many people as possible. It should be obvious to anyone that this was not true, 30K in 7 months in a built up area is a sign of restraint not murderous intent, 30K his fucking numbers, but with the above articles it should seal the deal

Nah, of course not. Frankie is a hate monger. Much like his Nazi heroes he will tell lie after lie to justify his hate and get other people on board.

Oh you read an article, so it is not genocide!

So I have no idea what your comment has to do with mine, because there is no connection except another feeble attempt by you to make fun of someone and once again falling flat on your face and of course you will not admit you failed, either because stubborn or you really can't see it.

Do you have any self awareness of what you post at all? Read your previous post to which I responded. You said that Hamas goaded Israel into killing their own people.

Let me put it in a simpler way. If someone pisses you off and you punch them in the face, you are the one guilty of assault. You cannot claim that the other guy goaded you into doing something illegal. Get that through your head.

I have seen you do this multiple times where when someone points out something illogical you just said, you start claiming victories that you never had. Nice try.

This will be my last post to you. I took you off ignore earlier, but it is the same rambling nonsense with you. So back on ignore you go.

 

[richaceg]

Yeah I said it because unless and until a massive amounts of appalling deaths happen, the west, particularly the US will not pay any attention to it. 35K is not enough for them. It is injustice, but that is the way it is.

It IS a genocide. EDUCATE YOURSELF. Stop being illiterate and repeating the same bullshit over and over again from western mainstream media.

For a crime of genocide to happen, the number of people DO NOT MATTER. It could just be 10 people, but if it meets the minimum criteria for genocide as set forth by the genocide convention, then it is genocide.

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/anatomy-of-a-genocide-report-of-the-special-rapporteur-on-the-situation-of-human-rights-in-the-palestinian-territory-occupied-since-1967-to-human-rights-council-advance-unedited-version-a-hrc-55/

Conclusions
93. The overwhelming nature and scale of Israel’s assault on Gaza and the destructive conditions of life it has inflicted reveal an intent to physically destroy Palestinians as a group. This report finds that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating the commission of the following acts of genocide against Palestinians in Gaza has been met: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to groups’ members; and deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part. Genocidal acts were approved and given effect following statements of genocidal intent issued by senior military and government officials.

94. Israel has sought to conceal its eliminationist conduct of hostilities sanctioning the commission of international crimes as IHL-abiding. Distorting IHL customary rules, including distinction, proportionality and precautions, Israel has de facto treated an entire protected group and its life-sustaining infrastructure as ‘terrorist’ or ‘terrorist-supporting’, thus transforming everything and everyone into either a target or collateral damage, hence killable or destroyable. In this way, no Palestinian in Gaza is safe by definition. This has had devastating, intentional effects, costing the lives of tens of thousands of Palestinians, destroying the fabric of life in Gaza and causing irreparable harm to its entire population.

95. Israel’s genocide on the Palestinians in Gaza is an escalatory stage of a longstanding settler colonial process of erasure. For over seven decades this process has suffocated the Palestinian people as a group – demographically, culturally, economically and politically –, seeking to displace it and expropriate and control its land and resources. The ongoing Nakba must be stopped and remedied once and for all. This is an imperative owed to the victims of this highly preventable tragedy, and to future generations in that land.


Oh you read an article, so it is not genocide!

Do you have any self awareness of what you post at all? Read your previous post to which I responded. You said that Hamas goaded Israel into killing their own people.

Let me put it in a simpler way. If someone pisses you off and you punch them in the face, you are the one guilty of assault. You cannot claim that the other guy goaded you into doing something illegal. Get that through your head.

I really thought you have at least a point...turns out you're just idiotic....

 

[Kautilya]

I really thought you have at least a point...turns out you're just idiotic....

Well you can say that after you post anything intelligible Rich.

 

[shack]

All of what you said is incorrect and they will remain incorrect however many times you repeat it. You are also wrong that UNGA resolutions are binding. They are not. They are non-binding. As I said before, given you don't even know this, you have no idea of what you are talking about.

The ICJ and ICC are the international courts that determine whether or not a country has violated the Genocide conventions. The UN Rapporteurs are the independent human rights experts who produce reports on war crimes, human rights and genocide.

The UNSC is composed of countries who are themselves war criminals. The UNGA is composed of countries most of whom are either powerless or are countries that act in their own interests. It is irrelevant what these bunch of useless idiots condemn or dont condemn.

Therefore only the opinion of the ICJ, ICC and the UN Rapporteurs matter when it comes to genocide because they are the more objective entities in this matter.

Sooo butthurt at the repeated beatings you have taken in any debate with me, which usually ends with you pretzeling yourself.

You are blessed because you will never know what you don't know.

You keep repeating the same nonsensical arguments over and over in your long winded replies. Long replies do not make them any less wrong.

Let's try this.

We agree that the UN is leading organization of the recognized nations of the world. So when the body of the UN makes a decision whether or not to issue a binding there is no higher authority to override them.

If the UN passes a resolution saying that they condemn something there is no such thing as a smaller portion or arm of the UN overriding them. Conversely, if the UN refuses to pass a resolution condemning a country of a certain act, then there is no smaller arm of the UN that can override what the decision is of the body of the UN. Even you have admitted that the body of the UN, the UNGA, has not passed any resolution claiming that Israel has committed apartheid or genocide. They did so in the early 60's when addressing S. African policies. I've previously produced those for you. They have done no such with with Israel.

At this point I refuse to allow myself to be dragged down to your level of intellect and argue with you as if you understand anything more that what your admitted bias allows you to absorb and process. I demean myself every time I engage you. From now on, I'll only explain things once to you.

As the saying goes: Never argue with an i...t. They'll only drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

 

[Frankfooter]

Also what is going on in gaza IS NOT A FUCKING GENOCIDE YOU RETARDED LYING HATE MONGER.
This is not what genocide looks like. Not that you care you hate mongering cunt.

Gaza is a concentration camp, there is nowhere safe for civilians.
Israel destroyed all the universities, hospitals, bakeries, warehouses and 70% of all buildings.
They dropped 3 Hiroshimas worth of explosives in a walled in refugee camp the size of the Isle of Montreal.

Then after they destroyed all the hospitals they started assassinating all the doctors and blocking all medical aid.
All while blocking all food through for 6 months while they also destroyed all farm and took most of the farm land over as 'buffer'.

Its genocide.

USAID: Israel has already Imposed Unavoidable, Exponential Famine on Gaza outpacing Somalia’s

• “Adequate health, nutrition, and water, sanitation, and hygiene … interventions, an immediate cessation of hostilities, and sustained humanitarian access will be required. Absent these conditions, all available evidence indicates rising acute food insecurity, malnutrition, and disease will lead to a rapid increase in non-trauma deaths, particularly among women, children, the elderly, and persons with disabilities.”
• “deterioration of food security and nutrition in Gaza is unprecedented in modern history, exponentially outpacing in six months the long-term declines that led to the only other two famine declarations in the 21st century: Somalia (2011) and South Sudan (2017).”

WFPDirector, Geneva office, said at a news conference on Wednesday of Gaza, “people are clearly dying of hunger.” So this catastrophe is not in the future. It is now.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1782795105373720960

 

[Frankfooter]

By contrast, Israel provided days and then weeks of warnings, as well as time for civilians to evacuate multiple cities in northern Gaza before starting the main air-ground attack of urban areas. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) employed their practice of calling and texting ahead of an air strike as well as roof-knocking, where they drop small munitions on the roof of a building notifying everyone to evacuate the building before a strike.

No military has ever implemented any of these practices in war before.

The IDF has also air-dropped flyers to give civilians instructions on when and how to evacuate, including with safe corridors. (The U.S. implemented these tactics in its second battle of Fallujah and 2016-2017 operation against ISIS in Mosul.) Israel has dropped over 520,000 pamphlets, and broadcast over radio and through social media messages to provide instruction for civilians to leave combat areas.

Israel's use of real phone calls to civilians in combat areas (19,734), SMS texts (64,399) and pre-recorded calls (almost 6 million) to provide instructions on evacuations is also unprecedented."

The IDF also conducted daily four-hour pauses over multiple consecutive days of the war to allow civilians to leave active combat areas. While pauses for civilian evacuations after a war or battle has started is not completely new, the frequency and predictability of these in Gaza have been historic.

Another historical first in war measures to prevent civilian causalities was Israel's distribution of IDF military maps and urban warfare graphics to assist civilians with day to day evacuations and alerting them to where the IDF will be operating. No military in history has ever done this.

That's like saying that if you warned shack with a note you attached to a rock and tossed through his window that it would therefore be ok to firebomb his house, take over his land, kill his pets, poison his water and declare yourself owner of his land.

Its a fucking concentration camp with snipers on the wall who shoot Palestinians if they get too close. There is nowhere to go.

You can't make 2.1 million people without any power or food walk from end to end of a destroyed refugee camp so you can destroy the other bits and say its only an accident that 20,000 women and children were killed, and that they should be thankful cuz you could kill them all if it weren't for those antisemitic protests all across the world.

The only monster here is the one that keeps killing people like Rafaat and Bisan.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1783897184238485595

 

[Frankfooter]

You are blessed because you will never know what you don't know.

You keep repeating the same nonsensical arguments over and over in your long winded replies. Long replies do not make them any less wrong.

Let's try this.

We agree that the UN is leading organization of the recognized nations of the world. So when the body of the UN makes a decision whether or not to issue a binding there is no higher authority to override them.

If the UN passes a resolution saying that they condemn something there is no such thing as a smaller portion or arm of the UN overriding them. Conversely, if the UN refuses to pass a resolution condemning a country of a certain act, then there is no smaller arm of the UN that can override what the decision is of the body of the UN. Even you have admitted that the body of the UN, the UNGA, has not passed any resolution claiming that Israel has committed apartheid or genocide. They did so in the early 60's when addressing S. African policies. I've previously produced those for you. They have done no such with with Israel.

At this point I refuse to allow myself to be dragged down to your level of intellect and argue with you as if you understand anything more that what your admitted bias allows you to absorb and process. I demean myself every time I engage you. From now on, I'll only explain things once to you.

As the saying goes: Never argue with an i...t. They'll only drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

The fact that your entire argument is based on the UN doing something that you know only Biden keeps vetoing is really incredibly sad.
You know Israel is committing genocide and only Biden's veto at the UN stops the world implementing resolutions that would end the genocide and put Israel on trial.

The xitter is trending #"United States of Israel" today.
congrats.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1783965454601515168

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1783634793080684635

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1784197049690255631

 

[Kautilya]

You are blessed because you will never know what you don't know.

You keep repeating the same nonsensical arguments over and over in your long winded replies. Long replies do not make them any less wrong.

Let's try this.

We agree that the UN is leading organization of the recognized nations of the world. So when the body of the UN makes a decision whether or not to issue a binding there is no higher authority to override them.

If the UN passes a resolution saying that they condemn something there is no such thing as a smaller portion or arm of the UN overriding them. Conversely, if the UN refuses to pass a resolution condemning a country of a certain act, then there is no smaller arm of the UN that can override what the decision is of the body of the UN. Even you have admitted that the body of the UN, the UNGA, has not passed any resolution claiming that Israel has committed apartheid or genocide. They did so in the early 60's when addressing S. African policies. I've previously produced those for you. They have done no such with with Israel.

At this point I refuse to allow myself to be dragged down to your level of intellect and argue with you as if you understand anything more that what your admitted bias allows you to absorb and process. I demean myself every time I engage you. From now on, I'll only explain things once to you.

As the saying goes: Never argue with an i...t. They'll only drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

So you have chosen to die on this hill? Let me put you out of your misery.

Lesson 1: Resolutions adopted by the UNGA are not legally binding. The only resolutions that can be legally binding, meaning can be enforced, are those adopted by the UNSC. They do so by sending a strongly worded letter. Followed by condemnation. Followed by a long winded emotional speech at the UN. Followed by sanctions if it suits the interests of the US. Followed by war as a last resort, if it suits the interests of the US.

This is why no resolution against Israel passes in the UNSC, because the US vetoes it. They do so because they are partisan Israel supporters. However, there are tons of UNGA resolutions against Israel, none of which Israel abides by which the UN can do nothing about.

In other words, resolutions adopted by the GA on agenda items are considered to be recommendations. They are not legally binding on the Member States. The only resolutions that have the potential to be legally binding are those adopted by the SC.

https://www.un.org/en/model-united-nations/how-decisions-are-made-un

Lesson 2: There is nothing anyone can do if a member state does not abide by the demands of a resolution. Let us use your own example of the UN resolution adopted against Apartheid in the 60s. If it was binding, why did Apartheid not stop in the 60s? Why did it take a further 30 years? That's right, it cannot be enforced. A cursory use of logic, that you say you were trained in at the UofT, would have helped you realize this, but alas.

Lesson 3: The UN Special Rapporteurs are the independent experts in human rights, war crimes and genocide who review the conditions in a certain country or war zone and provide objective reports of what they see and what they have learned.

What are U.N. Special Rapporteurs?
Special Rapporteurs (“SRs”) are independent experts appointed by the U.N. Human Rights Council (formerly the U.N. Commission on Human Rights) with the mandate to monitor, advise and publicly report on human rights situations in specific countries (country mandates) and on human rights violations worldwide (thematic mandates).

FAQs: United Nations Special Rapporteurs | American Civil Liberties Union

Lesson 4: The ICJ and the ICC are the courts that deal with genocide. The ICJ provides advisory opinions in an attempt to resolve disputes between states. And the ICC prosecutes individual people for war crimes.

So the ICJ will tell you whether a country's allegation (in this case say South Africa) against another (in this case Israel), on the issue of genocide, proves that the defendant violates the genocide conventions and if conditions meet the minimum criteria for genocide. While the ICC is free to prosecute Netanyahu for war crimes (which they are yet to do).

How does the International Court of Justice differ from the International Criminal Court?

The Hague has two international courts, but they have very different remits, explains a University of Melbourne expert

pursuit.unimelb.edu.au

So yes, only the ICJ, ICC and the reports of the UN Special Rapporteurs matter, on the question of genocide, as they review objective facts. Not the "opinions" of partisan nations at the UNGA or UNSC.

So yes shack. You demean yourself by adopting logically deficient and factually incorrect positions, which end up with you pretzeling yourself every single time. As you have right now. You have only yourself to blame for this.

And yes, you will also not respond to this post, because it is not in your preferred 2 line format, that you can quickly spam "clever quips" to.

 

[shack]

Yeah I said it because ......

 

[Kautilya]

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A for effort. F for execution. Terrible pic that does not convey what you want it to. But here is a fortune cookie for playing.

 

[Frankfooter]

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This is pretty much where every one of your posts seems to be going these days.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1783909420142899369

 

[Valcazar]

In Islam there's a action that lets you lie in name of Islam. Its called taqiyya.

You might want to clarify what you mean by that.

 

[Valcazar]

Yeah I said it because unless and until a massive amounts of appalling deaths happen, the west, particularly the US will not pay any attention to it. 35K is not enough for them. It is injustice, but that is the way it is.

The problem is by that logic, presumably you would be against any peace settlement short of either a two state or one state solution, since it prevents more Palestinians being killed.
I'd like to think that isn't what you want to say, but it is a reading that will occur to many.

 

[Kautilya]

The problem is by that logic, presumably you would be against any peace settlement short of either a two state or one state solution, since it prevents more Palestinians to be killed.
I'd like to think that isn't what you want to say, but it is a reading that will occur to many.

The emotion behind my statement was one of frustration, loss of hope that the western leaders will do the right thing and a measure of acerbic sarcasm. I meant to express anger that although 35K dead people should appall and move the politicians here to act, we are still seeing the US, complicit in Israel's war crimes.

So, I'd be supportive of whatever measures they take to bring an immediate end to the war in Gaza. Followed by a more permanent resolution to the conflict.

I thought what I was conveying was clear enough but may be you are right. Intent cannot be conveyed with a post. But I also suspect some of the posters here with a pro-Israel agenda would love to misinterpret just to troll lol.

 

[Frankfooter]

The emotion behind my statement was one of frustration, loss of hope that the western leaders will do the right thing and a measure of acerbic sarcasm. I meant to express anger that although 35K dead people should appall and move the politicians here to act, we are still seeing the US, complicit in Israel's war crimes.

So, I'd be supportive of whatever measures they take to bring an immediate end to the war in Gaza. Followed by a more permanent resolution to the conflict.

I thought what I was conveying was clear enough but may be you are right. Intent cannot be conveyed with a post. But I also suspect some of the posters here with a pro-Israel agenda would love to misinterpret just to troll lol.

The big questions are really what happens after this ends.
Will Biden keep shielding Israel?
How do you fix Israel?
How do you keep those 2 million Palestinians alive?

Will this finally end?

Israeli truce proposal includes possibility of ‘restoration of sustainable calm’ in Gaza: Report

US news site Axios, citing two Israeli officials, reports that a new Israeli proposal for a possible deal with Hamas includes a willingness to discuss the “restoration of sustainable calm” in Gaza after an initial release of captives on humanitarian grounds.
According to Axios, the Israeli officials said the new proposal was formulated jointly by the Egyptian intelligence delegation and the Israeli negotiations team.
The new proposal is reported to offer a response to several of Hamas’s demands, including a willingness to allow the full return of displaced Palestinians to their homes in northern Gaza and a withdrawal of Israeli forces from the Netzarim Corridor, which splits the north of Gaza from the rest of the enclave.
Axios states that “the proposal also includes a willingness to discuss the establishment of a sustainable ceasefire as part of the implementation of the second phase of the deal”, which would take place after the release of the Israeli captives on humanitarian grounds.
This would mark the first time since Israel began its war on Gaza that Israeli leaders have shown an openness to discussing an end to the war as part of a deal to release the captives.

 

[Kautilya]

The big questions are really what happens after this ends.
Will Biden keep shielding Israel?
How do you fix Israel?
How do you keep those 2 million Palestinians alive?

Will this finally end?

Israeli truce proposal includes possibility of ‘restoration of sustainable calm’ in Gaza: Report
US news site Axios, citing two Israeli officials, reports that a new Israeli proposal for a possible deal with Hamas includes a willingness to discuss the “restoration of sustainable calm” in Gaza after an initial release of captives on humanitarian grounds.
According to Axios, the Israeli officials said the new proposal was formulated jointly by the Egyptian intelligence delegation and the Israeli negotiations team.
The new proposal is reported to offer a response to several of Hamas’s demands, including a willingness to allow the full return of displaced Palestinians to their homes in northern Gaza and a withdrawal of Israeli forces from the Netzarim Corridor, which splits the north of Gaza from the rest of the enclave.
Axios states that “the proposal also includes a willingness to discuss the establishment of a sustainable ceasefire as part of the implementation of the second phase of the deal”, which would take place after the release of the Israeli captives on humanitarian grounds.
This would mark the first time since Israel began its war on Gaza that Israeli leaders have shown an openness to discussing an end to the war as part of a deal to release the captives.

Every American president will shield Israel. Israel has way too much clout in the US. That is why I made the comment that a lot more Palestinians need to die, because not that I want them to, but there has to be a tipping point where it becomes too difficult for the US to shield Israel any longer. That point should have already come, in my opinion, but it hasn't yet.

For Israel minimally Netanyahu needs to be ousted.

 

[Valcazar]

The emotion behind my statement was one of frustration, loss of hope that the western leaders will do the right thing and a measure of acerbic sarcasm. I meant to express anger that although 35K dead people should appall and move the politicians here to act, we are still seeing the US, complicit in Israel's war crimes.

So, I'd be supportive of whatever measures they take to bring an immediate end to the war in Gaza. Followed by a more permanent resolution to the conflict.

I thought what I was conveying was clear enough but may be you are right. Intent cannot be conveyed with a post. But I also suspect some of the posters here with a pro-Israel agenda would love to misinterpret just to troll lol.

There is a long history on this board of people touting the line that "things should get worse so they can get better".

To me it sounded more like you were expressing frustration that it would probably take more deaths, which is why I asked (admittedly in a more confrontational way than necessary, perhaps).
But there are absolutely people who would say that a cease fire should be rejected because only more deaths would actually get enough international pressure on Israel to advance longer-term goals.