Escort Discussion- please...

[Vanessa Valentine]

Complaining about an escorts rates is nothing new. Every day there is a new post complaining that a lady is over-priced, not worth $250- maybe $200, but certainly not $250, I mean who in the hell does she think she is to sell her body and an hour of her time to a stranger for more than $199.99, right?

The reason for starting this thread is simple: I'd like to hear comments from industry ladies, on their thoughts and opinions about rate structures and the men who support or bash them.

I realize that some people just cannot afford to pay a high price to see an escort, but there are a variety of ladies at different ends of the rainbow and price list...why be so malicious and hurtful with your comments about what you think their bodies are valued at? It's unfair that a lady sets her rate as she see's fit (it is her body and time after all...and there are plenty of others to choose from), offers a service and then gets put down on a public review board b/c she is over-priced! What do you think that does to a womans self esteem?

I'm really interested to hear your point of view! Let's not get nasty!

 

[S_H]

lol

thanks vanessa I get emailed all the time that I am not worth my rate as I am not slim! I think it says more about the "man" that felt the need to inform me that I amnot slim (like I am blind or somehow unaware that I am a bbw lol)

I do not though think that you always get what you pay for. Having hobbied in Europe I had great fun with the 150 girls as I did with the 250 or 300 ones. Some ladies charge what they charge for good reason.

Myself I simply don't want to make myself available for the masses, I provide a unique and sometimes dangerous service (as all sp's mp's do) I want to be able to work less as I have a real world job school and familly to concern myself with and I don't work often. And the bottom line is for 3 that don't want to see me because of my rates 3 do! I work a maximum of 3 outcalls a week, my clients love that. They don't want the girl that does it all day everyday. I am still somewhat giggle-prone and somewhat shy, I think as a result of not being overexposed (yet)

If you don't like what I charge don't see me, I certainly don't come online and bitch about everyone that tries to negoiate my rates! I don't whine and say how muc Mr X was so cheep wanted me to take 75$ off and (sorry but that's so tacky) I usually offer a small incentive on my incalls so those that want to see me can. But there's always going to be one in the bunch.

 

[buckminster]

"I'm really interested to hear your point of view! Let's not get nasty"

Fuck those cheap pricks.

Toronto is an International destination and still has a tremendous selection of SP's for a very reasonable price for a city of its size in the west.

But I respect the right of those to complain, because times are tough sometimes. Yet, I don't understand this Wal-Mart mentality about SP's - its such an individualized service.

That said, I too think there should be a bigger discount for multiple hours (I'm sorry - I can't pound your ass for two hours stright), maybe 250 for one hour but 400 for two. There are not a lot of people in any town making 400 to 600 in cash a day.

My bad, I am not an industry lady but I am married to a former one.

 

[handsome sugardaddy]

I've said it before, if you don't like the price of the Porche, go buy a Pontiac.

It is human nature to keep our money. Guys like to "negotiate down" for a variety of reasons, including exerting power, the thrill of the chase/negotiation, not wanting to feel that they did not get "as good a deal" as the next guy. It is not always about the money, although sometimes wealth does come into it.

the problem is that the act of negotiating demeans the woman, and it tends to make her question her "worth".

The rate is there, don't bitch. If you become a regular, maybe you will get a discount, or extra time.

If you think $150 is too much, you are just plain silly.

Dinner for two with 2 drinks each, a movie, popcorn and softdrinks, parking, easily ends up being $150, and that is without a kiss or a BJ.

Hell, just the movie with the pop and drinks runs you close to 50 bucks.......LOL

 

[SlashCo]

Like S_H said, writing a bad review slamming the SP for charging 'more than she is worth' says a lot more about the client in question than the SP, especially if they've also been haggling with the SP over price (how tacky is that, anyway?).

Note that this doesn't apply to legitimate complaints like poor service, misleading photos etc.

 

[baltimoron]

Wow

I can't believe guys are complaining about price in Canada.

In the States, SPs average around $300US. It's slightly cheaper here in Baltimore, at $250, but that's increasing as well.

In LA, the average jumps to $500 and in Manhattan, $800.

To get something in the US anywhere near to what you'd pay in Canada, you'd have to go to some place like North Carolina or Kansas, with the quality suffering.

It goes without saying that Canada is a great bargain for us US guys.

 

[Lady Kyla]

Gratuities

I too, like probably many freelancers who were not experienced about the market place, found that by establishing my gratutie for Sensualistic BDSM at a minimum of $300 - $350 for an hour was astonished to find that the quality of client became exceptional. This "gentleman" type was true to his word, often paid in advance through paypal, and was apologetic if something came up and he had to cancel thus losing his deposit.

As someone on here mentioned, it is the value I put on MY time. I accept that there are those who prefer Walmart.......and encourage those who desire that service offerred to go there. You do get value too and it employs a lot of people but possibly not with full benefit packages.

However, I quickly realized that it was preferable for me to only do quality play than quantity with a select few who were dependable, kind, and put a premium on their own time. Their generous contribution also challenges me to make their sessions creative, sensitive and more on a personal level in order that they will keep cuming and cuming back. This type of client obviously is able to be more selective and respects that unique touch in gaining his trust, while one guides him/her/couples through their exploration of the Galexy of Geisha. (Yes, I am open to all.)

It is all about establishing where YOU want to play and explore. Each level has its unique opportunities and benefits. Welcome to my American friends, who as someone commented, realize that Canada offers bargain basement rates even at $300 -$350. The SP who advertise in "The Globe" or "Toronto Life" know what they are doing and and the potential rewards from those reading in these forums.

 

[BiggieE]

I remember a thread on another board asking guys what they thought a good value in an escort experience was....I was like....."Value"....I would rather pay $250-$300 for an good experience than $150 for a crummy one. The guys that are continually haggling and bitching about rate, probably never see anyone, much less that ladies whose rates they assault. As Winston said.....if you can't afford the Mercedes, go with a Chrysler....still a damn fine ride!

 

[BiggieE]

It's less about the SP and more about the hobbyist.

I think $700/3 to 4hrs with the right SP is worth every red cent.
But, then again I have my expectations and once the SP meets
them, I keep returning. Also, I don't frequently indulge.
But, when I do I want to really enjoy the experience.

I'd rather see an SP that only has one visitor a night.
The time spent has always been more pleasant. 1 hr. is
never enough time. It's frequently not about the sex as
much as the woman's personality and companionship.

.......Ditto......

 

[David Beckham 23]

First let me say I never complain about prices but I see all points of view.

I think there is another side to this discussion. It's not always about being cheap or some car analogy. Sometimes ladies just want more "buck for there bang", gentlemen see this. But there could be many different reasons. For example, if a lady charges $150/hr gets a few good reviews then raises her price to $250 because of it. My question isn't why the increase. I would ask, why she charged $150 in the first place. An increase like this will get negative feed back, especially when she's established a clientele at that price structure. Let's be honest, I'm sure many women feel that they can see less clients if they can charge more. Why see 5 clients at $150 when you can see $3 at $250? Makes sense to me. While others feel that the can charge what the market bares.

That being said, yes a lady should charge what ever she wants. But I also think that you have to hear the other side. If I have to pay $100 more for anything in this world, whether it's a car or a bag of 2% milk, I think I should be aloud to voice my displeasure. Maybe the way someone does it needs to be discussed?

 

[BiggieE]

Expressing displeasure is one thing......outright abuse of the ladies is completly different...I think what Vanessa is talking about is the guys that bash ladies outside of their price range....and I agree...this is totally uncalled for behavior....

 

[Macator2003]

Complaining about an escorts rates is nothing new. Every day there is a new post complaining that a lady is over-priced, not worth $250- maybe $200, but certainly not $250, I mean who in the hell does she think she is to sell her body and an hour of her time to a stranger for more than $199.99, right?

The reason for starting this thread is simple: I'd like to hear comments from industry ladies, on their thoughts and opinions about rate structures and the men who support or bash them.

I realize that some people just cannot afford to pay a high price to see an escort, but there are a variety of ladies at different ends of the rainbow and price list...why be so malicious and hurtful with your comments about what you think their bodies are valued at? It's unfair that a lady sets her rate as she see's fit (it is her body and time after all...and there are plenty of others to choose from), offers a service and then gets put down on a public review board b/c she is over-priced! What do you think that does to a womans self esteem?

I'm really interested to hear your point of view! Let's not get nasty!

First let me say that I agree with DonQuixote wholeheartedly. I also agree with David Beckham. If you start off at $150 and within 6 months, your rates are sitting at $250 and the subject of the post is "Better rate", you'd better be prepared to take some criticism. Part of the problem may be the advertised hourly rates shown on the board for Montreal SPs ($180.00). Escorts outside of the City can provide hourly prices under $200.

When you compare time spent with an MPA at a reputable Spa, the hourly rate for a BS is around 260.

If you go to a Strip Club, you may be looking at a cover charge, the VIP charge and a $20. per song rate. The hourly rate for a dancer, if you're luckly is between $200 and $250, with drinks it takes the total up to as high as $300.....for what. Its not the most imitimate environment, you're shouting to each other, no wonder attendance has fallen off the map at SCs.

I think some of the trouble that needs to be dealt with, is the advertising section here on TERB. After the latest rant, I was thinking of bringing the matter up for discussion with a post to see if anybody has any solution. The ladies get defensive (Can say that I blame them), more words are said, and they get upset and end up saying something that hurts their credibility.

Congrats on your 1000th post Vanessa. Love your signature post.

 

[adventerous_one]

Let the market supply and demand dictate the price

Vanessa I know you were asking for SP's to comment on this issue, but as someone fairly new to the site and the hobby, (wouldn't call myself a hobbiest but an occasional user of the services provided by the lovely ladies here in Toronto) I thought this question goes right to the heart of the scene and had to comment.

I really have to agree with DonQuixote, and could not have said it better myself.

The only other comment I feel is important to make is, Guys remember a large part of these scene is about respect. If you treat the lady with respect and decorum, you are going to have a much better time and the lady will be more focused on you and your needs. Treat her otherwise and at best you will likely have a less that wonderful experience and leave feeling that you got less than promised.

Remember treat her the way you want her to treat you!

 

[AMWBT]

Rates

When I sp'd, I charged the lower end of the rate scale, and I honestly think that's what led to me being completely fed up with the whole business. At the lower end of the scale, you attract these moronic "bargain hunters" who talk about what "good value" you are - like somehow my worth as a person is comparable to a Pontiac and not a Porsche, those are cars, for God's sake, we're people! do you guys actually realize there's a difference??? - and in the end I felt like I was knocking myself out giving some fat, old, ugly fuck a good time and getting one of those half-assed "good value" reviews in return. There's no amount of money that could compensate me for that, so I quit. So yes, I'd have to say that from experience, I wholeheartedly support the ladies charging just as much as they can get away with.

 

[BiggieE]

When I sp'd, I charged the lower end of the rate scale, and I honestly think that's what led to me being completely fed up with the whole business. At the lower end of the scale, you attract these moronic "bargain hunters" who talk about what "good value" you are - like somehow my worth as a person is comparable to a Pontiac and not a Porsche, those are cars, for God's sake, we're people! do you guys actually realize there's a difference??? - and in the end I felt like I was knocking myself out giving some fat, old, ugly fuck a good time and getting one of those half-assed "good value" reviews in return. There's no amount of money that could compensate me for that, so I quit. So yes, I'd have to say that from experience, I wholeheartedly support the ladies charging just as much as they can get away with.

......sorry about the car analogies, but unfortunatly they are a good way to illustrate the point.....a real, true gentlman understands he is dealing with a living breathing person. The only time I inquire about rates is to ask how much I should bring to the meeting. I've found that if the money aspect of the biz is kept to a minimum, that the experience is far more enjoyable for us both....a true GFE/BFE..

 

[David Beckham 23]

and in the end I felt like I was knocking myself out giving some fat, old, ugly fuck a good time and getting one of those half-assed "good value" reviews in return. There's no amount of money that could compensate me for that, so I quit. So yes, I'd have to say that from experience, I wholeheartedly support the ladies charging just as much as they can get away with.

You sound very bitter about the whole thing. Maybe it was a mistake for you to even try this business.

 

[Done2Xcess]

I think a lot of this is going to come down to someone's upbringing and "core mentality" regarding money, respect for women, etc. and you're not going to be able to readily change it.

For my part (again, the client perspective) is that a lady can and should charge whatever she thinks she should given all the factors that are relevant TO HER. The car analogy may seem a bit crass, but at its heart, it's correct. I'd add only this: Negotiation is for "item" purchases (cars, flea markets, suits (just yesterday I got $60 off a new suit just for asking for the store's online price) and the like-- not for "service" purchases (haircuts, restaurants, escorts). How many people would dare try to negotiate at a restaurant?

Actually, the hair stylist comparison is the closest I've been able to come to the way I think escorts and clients should successfully interact. Granted, the escort provides a much more intimate service. But hopefully she works at a salon where she enjoys the work environment and that she feels pays her fairly. If she is independent, she has a good business at a rate she's set herself. She enjoys her work, and interacting with her clients. And there are CERTAIN clients that are "special"-- although she remains on a "business" basis with them in that they pay her, she looks forward to seeing them, enjoys their company, etc. And those clients see the "best" of her and receive her best efforts.

I have had probably 90% good or great experiences with the ladies I've seen, but I've had the "taken advantage of financially" feeling too. And when I did, I stewed for a few days, perhaps, and moved on. It seems to me that in this industry that the occasional feeling of being ripped off is an inherent risk. The key is to think twice (or maybe even three times!) before going on TERB and committing that scathing review to publication.

I think the whole "value" thing is a bit distasteful when talking about this particular spending, at least discussed with others. It's best kept to oneself.

Sorry, didn't mean to ramble. But having said all this, I've seen Vanessa, had a great time, and hope to see her again, at whatever rate she is at that time. And I'd rather she looked forward to our meeting with her self image fully intact (which would be necessary, one would think, to feel sexy!) than inwardly cringing from some remark some jerk made about how she should charge less.

Every year I'm alive, it becomes more true: The things some people say and do (and I'm talking about those "value oriented" clients here) are more ridiculous to me, and yet less surprising.

 

[tboy]

Like a lot of the other posts, I know Vanessa was asking for SP's input but here's my take on the subject, and believe me, I have total respect for the ladies and defend their right to set their rates to whatever they want:

1) SP's that start off at a lower rate: this is how marketers do it all the time and it is a well known practice for new business owners. You build a client base by offering a "low introductory price" to get business. Then once that business is established, and your clients realize your product is a quality item, then a price increase is par for the course. heck, Netscape did and still does, give away their product for free!

2) using a much desired montreal agency as an example: They came on here advertising their ladies continuously at a low rate. We hobbiests were basically begging them to come here. So when they do, all of a sudden their rates are about 25% higher. I for one commented that while your costs may increase (due to the road trip) pricing at the higher end of the scale (imho) would make me not that anxious to see any of the ladies.

3) I realize that we pay for the time of the sp and this isn't supposed to necessarily involve sex. Ahem, ok fine. Let's look at that for a moment: Doctors make about what, $150.00 an hour? lawyers anywhere from $50.00 - $1000.00 an hour, mechanics $30.00, cops $75.00 etc etc. $250.00 an hour to TALK? eat? Flirt? With the greatest amount of respect for what you do, and the crap that you ladies have to put up with, but GIVE YOUR HEAD A SHAKE! Reality check here, $250 an hour to have dinner with someone? To talk with someone?

As I've said time and time again, the ladies have a right to set their rates at whatever level they want. We as hobbiests have a right to discuss on this site, our feelings about anything to do with this business. As I understand it TERB stands for: Toronto Escort Review Board......not Toronto Escort Advertising Forum......I fully support a lady's right to defend herself here as well as a client's right to bitch and moan about just about anything as long as it is done respectfully.

 

[ITHAAPUDDYTAT]

negotiating is a way of life

to Canadians, Ive run a retail store for over 20 years, and every day all day long, people think prices are to high and want to negotiate. I get insulted all the time, as they think that I charge to much, when i actually am cheaper then a lot of my competitors. stand in any retail line anywhere in canada and all you'll here is bitching. its not a matter of value for service, its just that bitching is a way of life for so many.there are so many stories of cheap people, we could start a new board on that alone. Got to go, a Scotsman is entering into the store now.

 

[Berlin]

Ladies, set your price and forget about the personal mud slingings.

There will always be people, be they hobbyists or competing sp's, bitching at other's prices. If the comment gets too personal, I am sure the mod will take care of that.

True hobbyists may disagree and comment on the set price , but they will always move on.

Complaining about an escorts rates is nothing new. Every day there is a new post complaining that a lady is over-priced, not worth $250- maybe $200, but certainly not $250, I mean who in the hell does she think she is to sell her body and an hour of her time to a stranger for more than $199.99, right?