Escort Discussion- please...

[frankcastle]

Beckham,

The points you made were true but I'd argue that they should be considered prior to setting the price.

All the pseudo economists,

You're getting lost in semantics.

Back to the main topic,

I think its interesting that people feel so strongly about how much a SP should charge but people don't complain about huge price ranges in other goods and services..... e.g. cars, steak dinners, wine, cigars, daycare/babysitting, consultant fees etc. Because in just about all other avenues people just seek out what is in their price range.

 

[whobee]

People don't really seek out just what they can afford at a given time. They look for the best value they can get for their money. Many times they look for opportunities to get things they normally wouldn't spend the money on when there are sales or discounted offers.

Most people can't talk directly to the head of a given company and voice an opinion about the cost of their goods but SPs are more accessible to someone who has nothing better to do than debate pricing.

At any rate it's up to the provider to determine their own pricing. If a consumer doesn't want to pay that price or doesn't think the services are worth the price they are always free to look for a price that suits them.

 

[Meister]

Another champagne / SP analogy:

After the second glass of champagne you can't taste the difference between a 50 or 250 bottle.

 

[evryone]

I've said it before, if you don't like the price of the Porche, go buy a Pontiac.

Why pay a porsche price for a pontiac? A porsche is a porsche and a pontiac is a pontiac. No matter what anybody tells you a pontiac will never be a porsche. I'd pay a pontiac price for a porsche but I'd never pay a porsche price for a pontiac.

 

[Vancouver Femme Fatale]

I think the endless debate about rates on every board I've ever been on ignores the enormous purple elephant in the room that is the real core of the issue, namely;

Men will and do pay for it; women don't and won't.

Men have always had, and continue to have, better economic opportunities than women. Escorting is one of the very few fields where woman have an a big advantage over straight males.

There are men who find this intolerable, openly or otherwise. I feel your pain. Wait...no I don't. I just can't work up a sleepless night over having won one game in a few thousand.

If you don't want to pay a provider's rate then, unless there's a gun to your head, don't pay that provider's rate. If there is a gun to your head, I'd maybe think about aiming a little higher in your choice of paid companionship.

 

[fuji]

As I said in another thread, it is simple to observe that there are a lot of customers, a lot of providers, and a comparatively well informed market when it comes to price. That has a few economic implications:

(a) The price is lower than the highest price most men would pay for the service; most men enjoy a "consumer surplus" in that they get something for $200 that they would really have paid $250 or $300 or some other number for, if they had to.

(b) No provider is able to control the price, it is set by the market -- providers who raise their price above the market simply get less business. Similarly, no customer is able to control the price either--there are no walmarts who can force suppliers to lower their price, each man consumes so little of the overall supply that he cannot set prices.

(c) The price is higher than the lowest price most women would work at; most women enjoy a "producer surplus" in that they get paid $200 for something that they still would have done had the price been $150 or $100.

In other words, with the number of providers we have, the information we've got, the low barriers to entry, and the fact that no provider or customer wields any significant market power, the prices are fair, the market is efficient, and most people on both sides of the transaction are getting a bargain.

 

[fuji]

BTW: Why do people care so much about price?

This is a very natural thing to care about: Prices are fairly high, relative to most people's income. Note that I did not say "too high", just that, it's a lot of money for most people, and so they are going to think about it, and assure themselves that they aren't getting ripped off. Contrary to what was said here, people also care a lot about the price of a car when they buy it, or an apartment when they rent it, for the same reason--when you spend a lot of money, you are careful.

Unlike a car or a home the cost of an escort isn't necessarily a lot for one session; but whereas you buy a car once every few years, or pay rent once a month, the cost of an escort can add up fast, especially if you call several times a week. It can very easily add up to more than a car, over a few years.

You might pay twice as much as you should for a dinner, a bottle of wine, or a pack of gum--but you won't care as much, since it won't make much difference in your life. But if you see 10 SP's at $400 instead of $200, that extra $2000 you could have had really will be noticible. At this level of spending most people give the price some attention.

That people care about the price does not mean that they are beign cheap, that the price is unfair, or that they are singling out the sex trade for special attention. It's just what people always do when the expense is high relative to their income.

 

[Mao Tse Tongue]

I think the endless debate about rates on every board I've ever been on ignores the enormous purple elephant in the room that is the real core of the issue, namely;

Men will and do pay for it; women don't and won't.

Men have always had, and continue to have, better economic opportunities than women. Escorting is one of the very few fields where woman have an a big advantage over straight males.

There are men who find this intolerable, openly or otherwise. I feel your pain. Wait...no I don't. I just can't work up a sleepless night over having won one game in a few thousand.

If you don't want to pay a provider's rate then, unless there's a gun to your head, don't pay that provider's rate. If there is a gun to your head, I'd maybe think about aiming a little higher in your choice of paid companionship.

Good post and fairly true.

 

[booboobear]

A remedial math lesson is needed by BooBoo: no, a $200 bottle of champagne is not worth 5x a $200 bottle. It is worth 4x.

Similarly, the fact that you think that an act of sex is worth only $125-$150 seems to indicate that you would be most comfortable seeking the lowest cost provider. There are those who are instead looking for the Chateau Petrus of SP's. A 2002 Petrus could be purchased at auction for ~$640 Cn. .

Thanks for pointing out that 4 x 50 is 200 . And yes I know all about fine wines having had Lafite . Neither of these points changes my opinion of what sex is worth. Some guys are impressed if a women charges $ 1500 PER HR or more not me.

 

[booboobear]

Well your champagne example does seem to be trying to have it both ways: , what's the "intrinsic value" of having sex? Can you help me understand it.

It is interesting that you are a tee totaller was it always so?

As far as intrinsic of corse there is the dictionary def but maybe you hit the nail on the head , maybe the intrinsic worth of sex is $ 0
Let me explain ,. What's a glass of water worth? If you drink from a tap at home , nothing , if you buy Evian $ 2 maybe . If you were dying of thirst and somebody charged $ 2000 then you would pay that but the intrinsic value is $ 0

 

[Vanessa Valentine]

My 1000th post!!!

Congrats on your 1000th post Vanessa. Love your signature post.

Oh my goodness!!! I didn't even notice that- thanks Macator!!!

 

[Vanessa Valentine]

Who is whining here?
I think is the one who started this thread, she is whining about people complaining her prices.

Huh? Lol...?

Seriously though, what I'm bothered by is the fact that alot of clients complain that an escort is over-valued, stating that they are not worth the rate they charge. It bothers me, not only hearing it about myself, but by hearing complaints of other ladies. Not everyone has the inner strength to constantly say, "to hell with them, I think I'm worth this and I'll charge what I want".

V.

 

[Back Burner]

Huh? Lol...?

Seriously though, what I'm bothered by is the fact that alot of clients complain that an escort is over-valued, stating that they are not worth the rate they charge. It bothers me, not only hearing it about myself, but by hearing complaints of other ladies. Not everyone has the inner strength to constantly say, "to hell with them, I think I'm worth this and I'll charge what I want".

V.

I agree VV, but it's the business you're in babe. The fact it, anything that has a price tag associated to it will be critiqued.


Let me ask you a question. Would you pay me $1000 to have sex with me?

When you answer no, tell me why not.

And if you answer yes, let’s get busy!!!!!

(Maybe I should have said Sheik?)

 

[Questor]

Sorry for the long quotes, but I've had long discussions with Serenity about this topic, and she's said a lot of what I have to say about it, exploring the nuances from a lady's point of view better than I can.

Here's the Coles Notes' version of my opinion: A lady has the right to set the rates she feels are appropriate for what she wants to accomplish, whether they are higher or lower than the average. A gentleman has the right to accept these rates, and, if he does not, the freedom to move on to the next offer.

I found Serenity's comments insightful and balanced. Thanks for reposting them SB. I also agree with your Coles Notes version, but I think that while it is obviously the lady's right to set the fee, it is the gentleman's right to comment on price as long as it is done in a respectful manner. "I went to see so-and-so for $350. I think lady-X is much better value at $250." I don't know understand why making such comments seems to be so controversial. Now when it comes to trying to haggle prices down, yes, I can see why that would be annoying for a lady, and cannot fathom why a guy would want to piss a lady off in this way and then pay to spend an hour with her. Its not likely to be a very satisfying experience for either of them.

 

[Peace4u]

thanks vanessa I get emailed all the time that I am not worth my rate as I am not slim! I think it says more about the "man" that felt the need to inform me that I amnot slim (like I am blind or somehow unaware that I am a bbw lol)

I do not though think that you always get what you pay for. Having hobbied in Europe I had great fun with the 150 girls as I did with the 250 or 300 ones. Some ladies charge what they charge for good reason.

Myself I simply don't want to make myself available for the masses, I provide a unique and sometimes dangerous service (as all sp's mp's do) I want to be able to work less as I have a real world job school and familly to concern myself with and I don't work often. And the bottom line is for 3 that don't want to see me because of my rates 3 do! I work a maximum of 3 outcalls a week, my clients love that. They don't want the girl that does it all day everyday. I am still somewhat giggle-prone and somewhat shy, I think as a result of not being overexposed (yet)

If you don't like what I charge don't see me, I certainly don't come online and bitch about everyone that tries to negoiate my rates! I don't whine and say how muc Mr X was so cheep wanted me to take 75$ off and (sorry but that's so tacky) I usually offer a small incentive on my incalls so those that want to see me can. But there's always going to be one in the bunch.

Ive found out usually people who charge the most arent worth it.They in my opinion are probably just a little greedy and like to think they are above the common people. Thanks,Rich

 

[fuji]

Ive found out usually people who charge the most arent worth it.They in my opinion are probably just a little greedy and like to think they are above the common people. Thanks,Rich

They might just want to work fewer hours.