Escort Discussion- please...

[LTO_3]

I've had very few adventures that were not good and for that I can be very thankful.

The fee is each SP's choice and if she is satisfied with her fee, then she should stick with it. Maybe not all will like it but that is her choice. If an SP increases her fee to reduce the contact with society's slugs that is also her choice. And the only unfortunate thing is for the hobbyists on a limited budget.

I never express my concern about any SP's price beyond my reach except to say to myself "out of my league" or "too rich for me".

Personally, I use this board and others to do my research.

LTO_3

 

[MarkII]

What I do know is that none of the women I've seen charge what I DO per hour with my clients.

I also know that I have on several occasions had less than acceptable meetings with some ladies. I say unaccceptable..because at a certain price point you assume the woman will be willing to "roll with the situation".

However....I as well as the woman, may have just had a bad day! It happens...and it never deserves a bad review.

I have had an SP who talked for 2 1/2 hours and then asked for her money. The evening was over..apparently I was supposesd to interrupt her..to ask if we could head to the bedroom. I still paid the full amount. Who knows..she may have not wanted to be with me..although I'll never know because she never stopped talking long enough to figure it out.

But, I paid. The same way I will not pay Sp's a "special" rate for members or regulars etc.....I pay the full rate.

The rate is the rate.

They deserve it 99.9% of the time. The door opens and a woman greets you and makes your day SO MUCH better. Some do it better than others to be sure. But seldom do we leave pissed off.

For all the complaints we hear on TERB....there are 100's of guys that day that had a wonderful time with a delightful woman.

Lets not lose sight of that.

It's easy to complain....but how many of use would choose the same lifestyle?

Many of these women have families....and no matter what anyone says they work hard for their money making sure to the best of their ability they're clients are happy. Like any biz...happy repeat clients is what they and we strive for.

They work for their money...it's wrong to overlook that. And, no matter what anyone says some providers ARE worth more than others.

The womwn that raise rates based on a few good reviews very quickly are offering 'specials" offers for a reason. No one is calling.

Have you heard Janda offering a special rate? Instead she is increasing her rate...with what she feels is a better expierience. She has invested in her biz..so she can ask for more. I'm pretty certain she'd like to see feweer clients for the same money...who wouldn't? And who among us wouldn't prefer that as well.

Rates are a very specific detail that is related to the woman in question along with the services offered.

Bitching about rates..well the market set's the rate we can charge for our services per hour...and the same for the lovely womean we see.

Each person is different.

 

[luv4lust]

did someone say timmies

 

[AMWBT]

It wasn't me, it was the business

You sound very bitter about the whole thing. Maybe it was a mistake for you to even try this business.

This is pretty typical - you guys think it's a fault of OUR character if we end up fed up and have nasty things to say about the biz - actually, it's the obnoxious hobbyists who end up souring us on the whole thing. Being fed up is the reaction of a normal human being to the abnormal situation you end up in. From the clients' point of view, I was a fantastic sp, so if you're thinking I went in with a chip on my shoulder, you're completely wrong.

 

[t8rs]

This is pretty typical - you guys think it's a fault of OUR character if we end up fed up and have nasty things to say about the biz - actually, it's the obnoxious hobbyists who end up souring us on the whole thing. Being fed up is the reaction of a normal human being to the abnormal situation you end up in. From the clients' point of view, I was a fantastic sp, so if you're thinking I went in with a chip on my shoulder, you're completely wrong.

Don't all SP's have to deal with the very same obnoxious hobbyists? By your logic, then all SP's will become soured or they're not normal. Granted, I do believe it takes an extraordinary person to thrive at being an SP.


Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming...

One thing I don't think has been touched on is that in many other countries, one usually does not pay the advertised or listed price. Negotiating is a way of life. I'm not saying that this should be an excuse for those that are from those countries. I might, however, say, "ASSIMILATE YOU MOFO's!"

And as previously mentioned, the ones who ask for discounts for no good reason are cheap/inherent whiners/plain and simple assholes.

 

[AMWBT]

Don't all SP's have to deal with the very same obnoxious hobbyists? By your logic, then all SP's will become soured or they're not normal. Granted, I do believe it takes an extraordinary person to thrive at being an SP.

The vast majority do to one extent or another, don't fool yourself. You won't get a lot of ladies on this board saying so directly, for obvious reasons. Ever wonder why there's such a high turnover? Or why so many of the ladies that do stay in the biz for extended periods of time take long "holidays" and breaks, or retire 15 times, only to come back over and over? Or retreat from the whole internet messageboard part of the experience altogether, and have NRP? My original point was, at the lower end of the price scale, you deal with more obnoxious clients, and more obnoxious attitudes, as, indeed, some of the other sps who are still in the biz have pointed out - they raised their rates to improve the quality of their clientele.

 

[einar]

I'm going to speak up on behalf of the frugal, honorable hobbyist -- assuming that is not a contradiction in terms. I don't earn buckets of money, and I don't have buckets of money to spend on this hobby. Nevertheless, I do hobby in earnest.

But I have never asked an escort to lower her fee. I simply confine myself to the $200-$220 an hour field of Toronto escorts. Oh, once or twice I have strayed up to $250, but that is rare and I cannot justify it to myself afterwards.

What this means is that there are a range of independent, well-regarded local courtesans, and a few agencies, that are simply out of my spending league. Too bad for me. What it also means is that I spend many hours with the eastern European crowd of young escorts. (I would love to meet some older EE's -- in their 30s or 40s -- but they are rare.)

But just because someone operates in the less-expensive end of this hobby, does not make him a dodgy or macho client.

 

[luv4lust]

The vast majority do to one extent or another, don't fool yourself. You won't get a lot of ladies on this board saying so directly, for obvious reasons. Ever wonder why there's such a high turnover? Or why so many of the ladies that do stay in the biz for extended periods of time take long "holidays" and breaks, or retire 15 times, only to come back over and over? Or retreat from the whole internet messageboard part of the experience altogether, and have NRP? My original point was, at the lower end of the price scale, you deal with more obnoxious clients, and more obnoxious attitudes, as, indeed, some of the other sps who are still in the biz have pointed out - they raised their rates to improve the quality of their clientele.

again i must say being the low side of the rate scale i haven't had this prob. i have had no shows and who hasn't. my clients are some of the sweetest men i've met in my life time and i am thankful i haven't had any prob's. my choice to retire isn't cause i'm tired of doing this, it is only because i am ready to have a bf

 

[SlashCo]

This is meant in no way as a disparaging comment toward higher-priced escorts, but if it helps, I also think there is something of a law of diminishing returns concerning SP tributes. In other words, in the $200-$250 range you'll find some of the sweetest, nicest, hottest girls out there. You can go up and see a $1500 escort if you've got that kind of cash, but the difference in quality may not necessarily reflect the higher price. Just my 2c.

 

[TheNiteHwk]

Not to highjack this thread but...

Hi
The best escort I ever had cost $160.00 in 1998.
Enduser

I beat you...

One of the best escorts I remember was way back in 1981. I remember the year because it was the night before I left GTA to move to BC.

1 hour... MSOG, DATY, 69, DFK, etc & shower together after. $70.

 

[TheNiteHwk]

Nitehawk,

For getting those services I say...

You is DA MAN

Enduser

<LMAO>

Well remember it was 1981.

 

[Tina_Ballerina]

<LMAO>

Well remember it was 1981.

So you feel that SP's have changed since 1981?

 

[MindJohn]

another take on the subject of SP pricing

I could only make time for a subset of all of the posts in this thread but those I read made no mention of the fact that sex-for-pay creates one of the most free-flowing markets in the North American economy.

Most of us simply are not accustomed to the wide variation in pricing and quality-of-service all available to us in the same market.

I don't think that particular working girls can be singled out for being improperly high-priced by people who are mostly unfamiliar with the common waves of such a free-flowing market.

Just because a certain buyer has been quite content and happy with what he has been receiving for $200 per hour doesn't mean that his experiences assure that hours priced by others at $350 or $400 are improperly overpriced.

It is merely the free-flowing market in the sex industry that makes the price fluctuations and variations so unique.

Think of working girls on the streets and imagine how absurd they would be if on the night before rent is due they were propositioned for $60 and turned it down time after time knowing that $100 is their sense of self-worth.

This is purely the freedom of supply and demand along with the immediate needs of the seller, which dictate price fluctuations.

SP's with ads in print may be less able to offer would-be merchandise that is "priced to move" at an hour's notice, but they can still do so in certain ways.

In closing, it isn't the individual who faces the not-so-easy task of pricing her own body who makes some people question the prices all around the market, it is instead the simple fact that we're not familiar (in other areas of life) with how freely standards in the SP market can and do fluctuate.

 

[t8rs]

I beat you...

One of the best escorts I remember was way back in 1981. I remember the year because it was the night before I left GTA to move to BC.

1 hour... MSOG, DATY, 69, DFK, etc & shower together after. $70.

I think I have you more beat (?)...

A very well-reviewed SP who gives me pretty much all I desire for $150... overnight.

I'd like to use this as an opportunity to point out that I've never ever asked an SP for a discount. (I'm in the 'frugal' einar camp myself.) The $150 rate is what she offered after my first visit. I'd chalk that up to karma.

 

[Daddio]

Once had a 90 minute romp in 1989 at the Idlewood Motel with a goregous 20 year old Polish girl. Beautiful blonde hair. Enormous natural tits. Stomach flat as a washboard. Clean shaved pussy. She showed up plastered on champagne from a previous party she had just come from. She was toting two bottles of Henkel Trocken. I prefer to call it German Spumante Bambino. Nasty stuff.

She did it all. BBFS (no lectures please, I dont do that anymore.), MSOG, DATY, DFK so hard it hurt, BBBJTCIM and facial at a time when you wouldnt dare ask for things that raw. The date just unfolded that way. We had a bath midway through thinking we were done, but then we just returned to bed and did it all again. I miss those days. When she was leaving she had visible strands of my cum in her hair. I asked her if she wanted to wash it out before she got dressed, and she said she wanted "some of me to take home". Then she paused and cupped her belly and said, "but then I might have more than I bargained for". I swear it, those were her exact words.

Her hourly rate was high for the time -- 300. She charged for her exceptional body, not her judgement. I paid her early in the date, and she gave it back to me, as she left, along with her home phone number. I called her 3 days later. She didnt remember me. We never saw each other again.

As for, "more than she bargained for", I didn't ask about birth control, I just assumed. I have only had bareback FS TC with a girl off the pill two other times in my life. Both resulted in conception. I wouldnt doubt there is a third. She never called me but she could have. For all I know I've passed 15 year old Daddio Jr. in the street a dozen times by now.

 

[MarkII]

maybe we should get back to the point of the post.

But is interesting to hear what the going rate rates were some years ago..

As an example...in 1974 I bought a new Vette...8000.00

Kept it for 14 years and made some money off it!


Seriously....lets get back to the topic at hand....it would be interesting though to start another thread on past pricing rather than taking over this thread.

 

[TheNiteHwk]

So you feel that SP's have changed since 1981?

Yes and no.

My comment "remember it was 1981" was really in reference to the price more then anything else.

As a whole IMO the industry itself has changed since 1981 yes. The caliber, quality and variety of SPs have changed. The way the whole industry works has changed.

Have SPs themselves changes... well is some aspects they have and others no.

Too bad today is deadline day and I am so short of time or I would like to get into more details.

As for the topic at hand... I think it is great that there is a market for every price range and taste. While I myself am not hobbying at this point if I did I don't think I would ever pay the price being asked by some high end SPs. That is not to say though that they don't deserve to be paid that amount or that they are in the wrong for asking whatever price they do. And yes I think it is rather rude for people to come on-line and post put downs and personal attacks just because an SP is not with-in their preferred price range.

Back to work.

 

[rockyy]

But don't you think it's this particular kind of forum that encourages this sort of acrimonious debate? You've got SP's active on the system, and they're advertisers, ok? They're driving sales and pricing, of course! Hey,they're laying out cash, they have a right to shill and I don't think the publishers here would ever deny them that. They might make a token effort, but let's face it - he who pays the piper calls the tune.

However, in order to draw clientele the site has been created also as a sort of forum for consumer advocacy. That was a mistake! Why? Because you end up having have pros working the same corner as a bunch of consumers who are promoting value (or drawing attention to the lack of it, which is even worse!) at the same time. I don't know if that can really work. It ends up creating a bear pit, where clients are being pitted against service providers in the relentless struggle to get more for less.

And of course SPs are a little insecure about their fees, even at the best of times. Hey, if I ran the meter every time I took my clothes off I'd be a little hypersensitive too! All it takes is one guy to make a comment and set it off...

Any other publishers out there agree with this?

Complaining about an escorts rates is nothing new. Every day there is a new post complaining that a lady is over-priced, not worth $250- maybe $200, but certainly not $250, I mean who in the hell does she think she is to sell her body and an hour of her time to a stranger for more than $199.99, right?

The reason for starting this thread is simple: I'd like to hear comments from industry ladies, on their thoughts and opinions about rate structures and the men who support or bash them.

I realize that some people just cannot afford to pay a high price to see an escort, but there are a variety of ladies at different ends of the rainbow and price list...why be so malicious and hurtful with your comments about what you think their bodies are valued at? It's unfair that a lady sets her rate as she see's fit (it is her body and time after all...and there are plenty of others to choose from), offers a service and then gets put down on a public review board b/c she is over-priced! What do you think that does to a womans self esteem?

I'm really interested to hear your point of view! Let's not get nasty!

 

[Svend]

However, in order to draw clientele the site has been created also as a sort of forum for consumer advocacy. That was a mistake! Why? Because you end up having have pros working the same corner as a bunch of consumers who are promoting value (or drawing attention to the lack of it, which is even worse!) at the same time. I don't know if that can really work. It ends up creating a bear pit, where clients are being pitted against service providers in the relentless struggle to get more for less.

I agree, TERB should be seen as simply a review board and to warn others of bait & switches. A lounge on the side is fine but we shouldn't be dictating to the women as to what they have on their menus or what they charge. If we do any consumer advocacy, it should be to get guys and gals to smarten up on no-shows, show respect for each other and to promote safe sex.
Sorry to intrude on an escort discussion, but it's an interesting topic Vanessa.

 

[Meister]

Hey,they're laying out cash, they have a right to shill and I don't think the publishers here would ever deny them that.

Yeah, but eventually with all that shilling going on, hobbyists will go somewhere else to read reviews.