End the Lockdown
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Because too many people are too stupid to do it safely. Also many people are too stupid to know that you can go to a park and go outside to get fresh air, you just can't use the equipment or have a picnic.
And hell, have you ever been to a gym? I'd rank them second to cruise ships as disease vectors.
canada-man
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Conservative blogger Pamela Geller sues de Blasio for pandemic protest ban
https://nypost.com/2020/05/07/pamela-geller-sues-de-blasio-for-over-pandemic-protest-ban/
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
https://nypost.com/2020/05/07/pamela-geller-sues-de-blasio-for-over-pandemic-protest-ban/
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Maybe they should just reopen areas outside of places like Toronto that seem to be the problem. Kingston, Frontenac Lennox and Addington Health Unit which serves about 200k people has had only 60 cases (7 in the last month) and all have been resolved (no deaths). Does it really make sense to keep them in lockdown? What is the threat unless prople go there from from other parts of Ontario.
This thinking has been brought up in the daily questions to PM Ford. His response which I felt was fair, is there's no way to control/limit people travelling to those areas from Toronto. For example - say the government allowed certain types of businesses to open in the small towns and not in Toronto/GTA - good luck stopping Toronto folks from driving out there to visit them.
I'm currently up in an area that our entire county has had only 5 COVID-19 cases and the town nearby is still at 0 cases (reported) to date. That said everyone here is following the rules, masks on in the grocery stores (hand sanitizer sprayed on your hands before allowed entering the store), limit amount of carts (it's how they limit customers in the store, no cart, no go) and all aisle's are one way marked on the floor. All non-essential businesses are closed and yes even here we get lineups at the LCBO like everywhere else, lol.
Yes there is some logic at first glance to open outside of the more dense areas as you suggest but reality is it would simply cause a lot of additional travel from the dense areas to the less dense areas and create more virus spread.
We're all in this together. Let's hope we get to have some form of a limited summer as time goes on.
canada-man
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Coronavirus Cases in Georgia, Florida Continue to Decline Despite Business Openings
https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-cases-georgia-florida-continue-153633256.html
canada-man
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if you watch the video you will know that lockdowns did not work
and explain why 2 American states that recently reopen seeing declining coronavirus cases?
canada-man
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Yesterday in news. Texas sees 1,000 new coronavirus cases 5 days in a row after lifting some limitations. In FIVE DAYS, Texas which reopened saw 5000 new cases of covid virus.
Want to open up those shops in other small towns and cities without cases? People from the big city sees people where they can 'be free' without masks, without social distancing, without giving a damn about a small cough because the town's open for business because they had no cases and the big city covidoits so they can't be infected in some town without any cases. Remember there are reason people can't go to other town or cities, they have no reason to.
Want to open up those shops in other small towns and cities without cases? People from the big city sees people where they can 'be free' without masks, without social distancing, without giving a damn about a small cough because the town's open for business because they had no cases and the big city covidoits so they can't be infected in some town without any cases. Remember there are reason people can't go to other town or cities, they have no reason to.
I think i've been in lockdown mode too long every time I watch her I see her doing the news naked! Would love to tap that
canada-man
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Texas has a population of 29 million about 4/5 Canada and Canada in locldown has has over 1,000 cases per day during the same period and four times as many total deaths.
Cuomo says ‘you can’t save everyone’ as critics claim change in language on coronavirus deaths
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo this week said officials “did everything we could” to protect vulnerable populations, like those in nursing homes, from coronavirus, but acknowledged “you can’t save everyone.”
“As a society, you can’t save everyone. You’re gonna lose people, that’s life,” Cuomo told reporters amid reports of nursing home deaths exceeding 5,000. “But we did everything we could.”
Critics of the Democratic governor are hitting back – pointing out that his language seems to have changed from March when he made a point to say he was not going to accept the inevitability of coronavirus deaths.
“My mother is not expendable,” Cuomo tweeted. “Your mother is not expendable. We will not put a dollar figure on human life. We can have a public health strategy that is consistent with an economic one. No one should be talking about social darwinism for the sake of the stock market.”
Among those noting the change in language is former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson, who has gained fame for his detailed criticisms of state lockdown measures.
“Hey, remember when @nygovcuomo said he wouldn’t 'accept a premise that human life is disposable...' and promised to 'save every life we can'?" Berenson tweeted.
He added: "Yeah, about that... times change, amirite?”
Cuomo has come under criticism because his state leads the nation in nursing home deaths.
“We’ve tried everything to keep it out of a nursing home, but it’s virtually impossible,” Cuomo recently told reporters. “Now is not the best time to put your mother in a nursing home. That is a fact.”
Residents’ relatives, health care watchdogs and lawmakers from both parties have cited problems with testing and transparency that have prevented officials — and the public — from grasping the full scale of the catastrophe. And they are second-guessing a state directive that requires nursing homes take on new patients infected with COVID-19 — an order they say accelerated outbreaks in facilities that are prime breeding grounds for infectious diseases.
Last week, though, Cuomo issued a new directive stating that hospitals cannot send patients back to nursing homes in the state unless they tested negative for the virus.
The move appeared to largely invalidate his March 25 state directive that required nursing homes to take on new patients infected with COVID-19.
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo this week said officials “did everything we could” to protect vulnerable populations, like those in nursing homes, from coronavirus, but acknowledged “you can’t save everyone.”
“As a society, you can’t save everyone. You’re gonna lose people, that’s life,” Cuomo told reporters amid reports of nursing home deaths exceeding 5,000. “But we did everything we could.”
Critics of the Democratic governor are hitting back – pointing out that his language seems to have changed from March when he made a point to say he was not going to accept the inevitability of coronavirus deaths.
“My mother is not expendable,” Cuomo tweeted. “Your mother is not expendable. We will not put a dollar figure on human life. We can have a public health strategy that is consistent with an economic one. No one should be talking about social darwinism for the sake of the stock market.”
Among those noting the change in language is former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson, who has gained fame for his detailed criticisms of state lockdown measures.
“Hey, remember when @nygovcuomo said he wouldn’t 'accept a premise that human life is disposable...' and promised to 'save every life we can'?" Berenson tweeted.
He added: "Yeah, about that... times change, amirite?”
Cuomo has come under criticism because his state leads the nation in nursing home deaths.
“We’ve tried everything to keep it out of a nursing home, but it’s virtually impossible,” Cuomo recently told reporters. “Now is not the best time to put your mother in a nursing home. That is a fact.”
Residents’ relatives, health care watchdogs and lawmakers from both parties have cited problems with testing and transparency that have prevented officials — and the public — from grasping the full scale of the catastrophe. And they are second-guessing a state directive that requires nursing homes take on new patients infected with COVID-19 — an order they say accelerated outbreaks in facilities that are prime breeding grounds for infectious diseases.
Last week, though, Cuomo issued a new directive stating that hospitals cannot send patients back to nursing homes in the state unless they tested negative for the virus.
The move appeared to largely invalidate his March 25 state directive that required nursing homes to take on new patients infected with COVID-19.
I don't see any inconsistencies. Nobody ever claimed everybody could be saved. It was about saving as many as reasonably possible. Once the curves of cases and deaths was declining, more risks could be taken. That was always the plan.
canada-man
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Colorado openly admitted they inflated covid 19 death counts.
Colorado has made a stunning and significant change to the way it counts COVID-19 deaths that reduced the statewide figure from more than 1,000 to 878, according to a report.
The change came after Colorado’s Department of Public Health admitted that its COVID-19 death toll was counting those who tested positive for the coronavirus but had died of other causes, Fox 31 Denver reported late Friday.
The department now says 1,150 Coloradoans who died had COVID-19 but only 878 of those deaths were “due to” COVID-19.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/colorado-lowers-coronavirus-death-count
Colorado has made a stunning and significant change to the way it counts COVID-19 deaths that reduced the statewide figure from more than 1,000 to 878, according to a report.
The change came after Colorado’s Department of Public Health admitted that its COVID-19 death toll was counting those who tested positive for the coronavirus but had died of other causes, Fox 31 Denver reported late Friday.
The department now says 1,150 Coloradoans who died had COVID-19 but only 878 of those deaths were “due to” COVID-19.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/colorado-lowers-coronavirus-death-count
canada-man
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This really is the core of the problem
People being counted who "might" have been sick (untested) or who "may" have died of covid (when death was a totally unrelated cause)
It clearly explains the huge percentage differences between different countries
If 50% of the listed deaths were unconfirmed, that would leave 45,000 Americans. Does that make it all better?
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