Do you believe in privilege? White privilege, etc?

[Phil C. McNasty]

Thats a CK classic

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Don`t know `bout that. When I began working P/T in 1971 it was a vastly different Canada. My high school , about 900 kids, had one Asian guy and one Indian guy who became my best friend as we had a huge mutual interest in motorcycles. We were great friends until he very sadly died scuba diving in `74, I`ll always miss him. Everything has changed in so many ways, I know several white guys, 20 to 40 y.o. who have no interest in working, there are many, many more out there. Hard work and determination will still pay off well for anyone. I had a surgical procedure performed Tuesday, the surgeon was Chinese, the anesthesiologist a Muslim guy, crazy sense of humor, and the two nurses were one white and one brown woman. Hard work paid off for them

Bingo!!

 

[TomFord1980]

You're a thief. You have no moral character. You suck as a person.
Now - I don't believe that about you. I truly dont. But I'm only making a point - how did that make you feel when i told those lies? What i'm trying to do is give you a sense of what its like when these incidents happen, and the fact you can't hide from it. Imagine someone actually accusing you of the lies I told about you above. Imagine that's the look and behaviour you get. Often. What does that do over time? It's not inconvenient. It's maddening. Total strangers making snap judgments despite your stellar character and leading a decent honest life. As Henry Aaron says, every day you go out in public something happens that reminds you that you're black.

Yes, there are minorities who make ludicrous claims like "racism has never been this bad". (Are you kidding me? Lynchings? No right to vote? Redlining? Jeez how ignorant. And there are those who see everything as a race issue, when its not. Unfortunately they usually have the biggest megaphones). But despite that, I come down that it is still a bigger problem on one side.

Come on... Henry Aaron probably said that in the 1960's, it's 2024.

Take a look at the demographics of Toronto. Whites are no longer majority. If there were actual racism going on by whites, it would be all over the evening news.

 

[TomFord1980]

Black and brown privilege does exist... on the Toronto's Homicides Most Wanted List. Now cue the "police are racist" responses by our white liberal friends.

https://www.tps.ca/organizational-chart/specialized-operations-command/detective-operations/investigative-services/homicide/most-wanted/

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

So in sum if you were to split those multi generational households into nuclear families they will still have higher household income than white families do

Right, so if thats true then how can there be a "white privilege" strictly from a financial point of view??
Looks to me that East-Indians are making more money and are holding an economic advantage

 

[The Fox]

Except you don’t realize that you may have been given that job 45 years ago because you are white. Giving you the opportunity to work hard.

I’m young. Semi-retired by choice. I would get bored otherwise. Owned my own business since my 20s. Worked hard all my life. I started as a homeless teen. I can admit I most likely would not have been given the opportunities to better my situation at that young age if not for the fact that I was white.

But you believe what you want. Others will believe differently and the majority clearly do.

BTW - your hard work doesn’t get diminished because of white privilege. You are not required to feel guilty about it. Nothing like that. It is just recognizing it and trying to ensure you don’t fall victim to your own bias when giving opportunity to others going forward.

Where do you live? 1950 Alabama????

Look around the city at 5pm and look at all the beautiful people heading home from work. All races are represented. Your views really hold people back.

 

[The Fox]

White privilege is not about someone being handed more success because of their skin colour. It has to do with how much effort someone has to put in, to achieve the same level of success. It does not take away from the effort a white person puts into their own success. But it is absolutely true that they do not have to put in as much effort as a person of colour.

An Indian worker, has to put in substantially more effort, and prove more at the workplace, and make less mistakes at work, to secure the same recognition, acknowledgement, success, promotions etc., than a white guy would have to. Similarly, a person of colour, making an error at work, will likely suffer more scrutiny, than a white person would, as a white person would be given a wider berth to make mistakes.

There are of course different types of privileges. A white man, would have more privilege than a white woman - who has to work harder, to prove she is valuable, intelligent and qualified, than a white guy. That would be gender privilege.

You can extend that to many other things as well. In general if you are white or male or straight or thin or conventionally handsome/beautiful or rich or able bodied etc., you have more privilege based on each of those characteristics, in various scenarios as appropriate.

So the word "privilege" is not to be taken literally, as if one is treated explicitly better than the other, as a matter of law or rule. These things are unspoken and can only be experienced and you can only experience it if you fit certain criteria of skin colour, or gender or what have you. So as a white person, just learn to accept a person of colour's lived experiences. Its not a conspiracy that all persons of colour are involved in some coordinated effort to bring down white people lol.

And??

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

White privilege is not about someone being handed more success because of their skin colour. It has to do with how much effort someone has to put in, to achieve the same level of success. It does not take away from the effort a white person puts into their own success. But it is absolutely true that they do not have to put in as much effort as a person of colour

Right, so you're saying a POC has to work a little harder to make it in life, but according to your stats they also make more money than white people.

I fail to see a problem here since they're wealthier than we are

You can extend that to many other things as well. In general if you are white or male or straight or thin or conventionally handsome/beautiful or rich or able bodied etc., you have more privilege based on each of those characteristics, in various scenarios as appropriate

This sounds like envy to me

And....STFU and listen

No need to be rude, bro

 

[K Douglas]

I'll reiterate what I said back in 2021...I believe in gold privilege. Whoever has the gold makes the rules.

 

[Josephine]

There is also something called "pretty privilege".
Skinny girls who are pretty tend to get favourable treatment over girls who are fat and ugly

‘Pretty privilege’: attractive people considered more trustworthy, research confirms

When presented with ID photos, those rated as more attractive were also deemed to be more trustworthy. Benefitting from good looks oneself doesn’t protect against being fooled.

theconversation.com

You see this a lot in the sex world. If you are skinny, white, blonde with blue/green eyes you get to charge more. Rarely will you see a non white provider, a bigger women or someone with any type of disabilities commending the highest rates. I don't say this from a place of frustration btw just stating facts.

 

[Vera.Reis]

Yes two things can be true.

So in this case while Hispanics have larger families than Asians, they have less education and correspondingly less income. Therefore it is education that governs income. Not household size.

A point to also note is that only 13% of Asian households are multigenerational according to the census. That is still a minority. Not to mention you are assuming a multigenerational household, includes, multiple income earners. A multigenerational household could be grandparents, parents and minor kids, which is the case in a majority of these multigenerational households. So the household may be multi-generational but the income earning potential is still the same.

So in sum if you were to split those multi generational households into nuclear families they will still have higher household income than white families do.

Those are really definitive and bold claims. I'm not going to argue with someone who says things like household size DOESNT govern income and income potential IS still the same. It's futile to argue with someone who speaks in absolutes because they are inevitably just wrong and so it's a waste of time.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Because it is unfair. Not envious. The problem is people should not have to work harder or do extra, than others, to achieve the SAME level of success. Standards need to be the same for all. But they aren't.This is why we have EDI initiatives, to counterbalance the unfairness

EDI might make a bit of a difference, but you're never going to have a perfect society where everyone is 100% equal.
Some will make more money than you, some will be better looking than you, some will be healthier than you...etc..etc.
You're just gonna have to accept that life isnt always fair

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Sure but we can narrow the gap by accepting it is unfair, and that such unfairness exists and support initiatives that helps people who are subjected to such unfairness

I'm fine with that, but Canada has had affirmative action since 1996 and we still have inequality in this country to some extent.
See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_equity_(Canada)

Which brings me back to my original point, you're never going to have perfect 100% equality.
If you want everyone making an equal wage move to Cuba or NKorea.
Of course you'll live in poverty there while the govt steals all your money, but hey at least you'll be equal. Equally poor that is

 

[Josephine]

So? Life isn't suppose to be fair in every area but in totality it is. The bigger woman or non white woman might not have a edge in this area but excels in something else commanding more money than an attractive girl.

I never said the contrary. I am talking about sex work and like I said, just stating facts. Giving complimentary informations is not a crime here or is it? This constant arguing is SO annoying.

 

[Leimonis]

Best initiative would be to condition boys to like fat and ugly girls. It would make everyone’s life so much easier.

 

[Josephine]

Best initiative would be to condition boys to like fat and ugly girls. It would make everyone’s life so much easier.

You like what you like right? I don't think bigger women ect will be less successful tho. We just cannot charge so much and it's okay. I work harder and life goes on.

 

[Leimonis]

You like what you like right? I don't think bigger women ect will be less successful tho. We just cannot charge so much and it's okay. I work harder and life goes on.

We like what we are taught to like. No one is born liking tall skinny white blue eyed women.

 

[Josephine]

We like what we are taught to like. No one is born liking tall skinny white blue eyed women.

You think so? I always liked bigger men, but I don't feel like I have been conditioned. It's an interesting point.

 

[Josephine]

Yes but the fact is useless. It's like saying omg can you believe it, auto dealer charges more for a Mercedes vs a Honda Civic. Let me share this incredible fact that Mercedes are priced higher than a civic. Ufff unfair life for Toyota makers.

OK thanks.

 

[Leimonis]

You think so? I always liked bigger men, but I don't feel like I have been conditioned. It's an interesting point.

Bigger men is potentially instinctively attractive since the times human lived in caves. But skinny blue eyed women? No way that’s primal.