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superquad1968

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BBK,

I think this might be the first time anyone has called you a "left wing lunatic". I guess to revo anyone left of Attilla The Hun must be a pinko lefty.

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revolution

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Manji said:
revolution

Isn't there another board that you can go on and promote your hatred and ignorance?
You say you don't hate Palestinians at all but everything you write about them screams hatred against these people.
I don't hate them... if they behaved like civilized human beings I might have actually supported them.
 

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I hate it when idiots are on the same side of an arguement as me. I don't think I've ever seen an animal decide to be a suicide bomber. Both sides are doing what they think right. It's up to the rest of the world to do and support the quest for what we think is right.

The shooting at Abbas does seem to show that there is a definite power struggle about to happen. The shooting was "inspired" by the fact that Abbas is an "agent of the americans," I assume because he is a moderate. It seems pretty obvious to me that there is a significant part of the people who do not see the value of democracy or a two state peace. According to reports, these were members of Fatah, Arafat's group, who saw Abbas as a rival and did not want to wait for elections. If that is how the "moderate" group (the group that will likely provide the next president by the way) plans to opperate in Arafat's absence, I wonder what Islamic Jihad and Al Aqsa will be doing for their "campaign speeches."

Also, the newly appointed leader of Fatah is Farouk Kaddoumi who is one of those who strongly opposed the Oslo accord. Doesn't look like a positive sign to me.
 

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strange1 said:
I hate it when idiots are on the same side of an arguement as me. I don't think I've ever seen an animal decide to be a suicide bomber. Both sides are doing what they think right. It's up to the rest of the world to do and support the quest for what we think is right.

The shooting at Abbas does seem to show that there is a definite power struggle about to happen. The shooting was "inspired" by the fact that Abbas is an "agent of the americans," I assume because he is a moderate. It seems pretty obvious to me that there is a significant part of the people who do not see the value of democracy or a two state peace. According to reports, these were members of Fatah, Arafat's group, who saw Abbas as a rival and did not want to wait for elections. If that is how the "moderate" group (the group that will likely provide the next president by the way) plans to opperate in Arafat's absence, I wonder what Islamic Jihad and Al Aqsa will be doing for their "campaign speeches."
it just shows you how civil the palestinians are when they try to kill a moderate leader, they clearly want their country to be run by terrorists.

Furthermore, you're right. Animals don't become suicide bombers, that goes against all organisms innate desire to survive and live. Suicide bombing terrorists are below animals, they kill themselves to kill others, yet somehow 90% of the people on this thread support them.
 

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... they clearly want their country to be run by terrorists.
No, The terrorists want to run the country. Huge difference.


Furthermore, you're right. Animals don't become suicide bombers, that goes against all organisms innate desire to survive and live.
Humans are thinking beings. The terrorist leaders convince the bombers that their only choice is to blow people up. You never see the leaders do this. They have too much to live for. (ie. money and power) I would make the supposition that the vast majority of palestinians and israelis want to be able to live productive lives. These same leaders know that a peaceful coexistance will deprive them of their position.
 

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Power Struggle to Fill Arafat's void

Hey bbking...... TOG reference was mainly to provoke you.. I was sure that you were banned at one point... apologize for the error.. I only have one handle and I have never been banned..


The reality is that there is going to be a huge power struggle, that has the potential to be extremely violent. It is unfortunate that people like Revolution think that the "Palestinians are 75% in favor of suicide bombings" and 100% this and 100% that...

The fact of the matter is that there has been a number of groups battling for power within the PLO. The good thing that Arafat did was bring some semblance of a unified front for the Palestinian people. However in the background, he was consistently battling to keep control.

It is typical in these type of struggles that the most ruthless group wins. Many blamed Arafat for not being able to keep his people in check. The fact of the matter is that some of these groups were sabotaging any peace efforts. Usually, in a given population, these groups represent a very very small percentage of the actual population. But because they are ruthless, violent and tend to have stockpiled weapons, they frighten the moderates. In the meantime, the moderates are still struggling with the moral and political issues, the fanatics are running the country.

I have heard many people say that they think that Arafat's death will help the peace process.. I am fearful that we are going to see a rise in terrorist activity. And if the fanatics gain power, the Middle East will be in a terrible position.
 

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Ready to change your position Strange1

strange1 said:
No, The terrorists want to run the country. Huge difference.




Humans are thinking beings. The terrorist leaders convince the bombers that their only choice is to blow people up. You never see the leaders do this. They have too much to live for. (ie. money and power) I would make the supposition that the vast majority of palestinians and israelis want to be able to live productive lives. These same leaders know that a peaceful coexistance will deprive them of their position.
Now that you see who is on your side Strange 1 are you going to re-consider your position? Come over to the dark side..... we will give you 50 virgins...
 

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Eide Mubarak

revolution... eide mubarak to you...
 

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revolution said:
Look at those civilized palestinians, the ones shooting into the air in a chaotic riot at Arafat's funeral, the ones who just today tried to kill Palestinian PM Abbas, the ones who do not want democracy, the ones who will never accept jews living in the middle of all those arab countries, the ones whom support suicide bombings (75% of their population).

They behave like uncivilized animals, sorry it's hard to defend such barbaric, inhumane, savages.
Your mind is getting smaller with every post.

OTB
 

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Re: Ready to change your position Strange1

slowandeasy said:
Now that you see who is on your side Strange 1 are you going to re-consider your position? Come over to the dark side..... we will give you 50 virgins...
I'll settle for 35 and a new lexus.
 

revolution

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bbking said:
Your assuming that Rev has a mind to get smaller.



bbk
well all you terrorist supporters might understand the American position when those animals attack Canada. Canada is on the Al Qaeda hit list by the way... Osama said he's going to attack Canada, and all other countries he mentioned on his list were already attacked.

We'll see how much you support the terrorists then, idiots.
 

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Having fun yet revolution?

revolution said:
well all you terrorist supporters might understand the American position when those animals attack Canada. Canada is on the Al Qaeda hit list by the way... Osama said he's going to attack Canada, and all other countries he mentioned on his list were already attacked.

We'll see how much you support the terrorists then, idiots.
Hey revolution,

I think that you have had your fun playing the ultra right wing opinion, time to give it up peacefully so that the good points made by both sides in this discussion do not get caught up with personal attacks and name calling... then it just silly... We are Canadians and we may not be alot of things, but one thing we are is Civil to each other....
 

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Re: Re: Power Struggle to Fill Arafat's void

bbk...you were beginning to make sense then you go and say this.

bbking said:
The US should do all that it can to covertly see that a moderate leader can rise to power.


bbk

Part of the problem that many of the people of the world have is that the US has too often covertly dabbled in their affairs. Unfortunately, the US is always in a no-win position with someone. Either they covertly dabble and get blamed or they invade and still get blamed.

A decision has to be made where the US has NO influence or they decide to have influence and take a very firm position. I did not agree with the Iraq Invasion, but I do believe that at least they have made a commitment to that country. Now that the course has been taken, it's time for the Iraqi people and the rest of the world to make the best of the situation, rather than give the Terrorists they execuses they need.

I think that we even the odds in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and let them duke it out until the fools figure out that nobody wins in the end... or there destroy each other, and bbk and I buy up all the land in the middle east at a bargain basement price..


Barbaric, I know but it's so stupid to watch two groups of people so bent on destruction...
 

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revolution said:
well all you terrorist supporters might understand the American position when those animals attack Canada. Canada is on the Al Qaeda hit list by the way... Osama said he's going to attack Canada, and all other countries he mentioned on his list were already attacked.

We'll see how much you support the terrorists then, idiots.
Not to let a few inconvenient facts interrupt your name calling but:

I am an American

I don't support terrorists, I support the 99.999999999% of Palestinians that are living in a police state or a refugee camp, in part because of small-minded people like you. There is no cost the US would not pay to smoke a terrorist *ss, and I'm a full supporter of that approach.

OTB
 

revolution

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onthebottom said:
Not to let a few inconvenient facts interrupt your name calling but:

I am an American

I don't support terrorists, I support the 99.999999999% of Palestinians that are living in a police state or a refugee camp, in part because of small-minded people like you. There is no cost the US would not pay to smoke a terrorist *ss, and I'm a full supporter of that approach.

OTB
interesting, considering 75% of the palestinian population supports suicide bombings, that means you support terrorist supporters, which by association means YOU support terrorists.
 

revolution

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bbking said:
Wow - thats about the dumbest statement I have ever read, right up there with the so-called funny statements that lange makes. Do tell, what org. did this public opinion poll, Zogby, Gallup. My first reaction that most Palistinians who live in the camps are more concerned about their next meal, never mind geo-political issues.
What concerns me are the incredible leaps in logic you take - OTB is a supporter of terror because he disagrees with your postion on whether Palistinians are human or sub-human. Or the other leap of logic that your sub-human and therefore a terrorist. Anyone else getting confused here? OTB - see this is what I've been telling you about my concerns of the extreme right in your Country and mine - that it doesn't take much for them to accuse a good Conservative like OTB in being a supporter of terror. As funny as it sounds, it is kind of scary.


bbk
OTB is not a conservative... far from it.

I, like the great president George Walker Bush support the creation of a Palestinian ONLY if the palestinians stop their suicide bombing terrorism and other violence. They have to learn, like children in grade 1, that terrorism and violence does not and should not get rewarded. If you give them a state before they completely stop their savage terrorist attacks, then you are giving into terrorism and sending them the message that if you blow up kids on buses you get rewarded by getting a state.

Unfortunately, far too many palestinians want a palestinian state on top of Israel, and want to kill as many jews as possible, so I highly doubt their terrorism will ever end, and I doubt they'll ever get a state as a result.

The Israelies have the best idea so far, put up a fence to stop terrorists from getting into their country, and seperate the terrorists and murderers by a physical barrier. It's doing a damn good job so far, and once it's erected across all of the west bank and gaza terrorism in Israel might stop. If they're behind the fence they can go nuts and blow themselves up as much as they want, as long as innocent civilians aren't in the way.
 

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OTB, BBK,

I have always enjoyed reading your views on politics and the economy. They are usually balanced and hold at least some common sense.

But revo sounds more than a little delusional. GWB as a great president? Next revo will have him up with Washington, or Lincoln. Seesh...

Too many people want to paint the Palestinians as the only bad guys in this conflict when I feel, IMHO, that the Israelis are as quilty. Violence is a cycle. I hit you, you hit me, I'll hit you back, ad infinitem. To believe that a wall will stop the bloodshed is assinine.

Peace will only occur when BOTH sides give up on the idea that if we blow them to bits we win. WRONG. All will have lost.

Cheers,

SQ
 

revolution

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superquad1968 said:
OTB, BBK,

I have always enjoyed reading your views on politics and the economy. They are usually balanced and hold at least some common sense.

But revo sounds more than a little delusional. GWB as a great president? Next revo will have him up with Washington, or Lincoln. Seesh...

Too many people want to paint the Palestinians as the only bad guys in this conflict when I feel, IMHO, that the Israelis are as quilty. Violence is a cycle. I hit you, you hit me, I'll hit you back, ad infinitem. To believe that a wall will stop the bloodshed is assinine.

Peace will only occur when BOTH sides give up on the idea that if we blow them to bits we win. WRONG. All will have lost.

Cheers,

SQ
the barrier seems to work, they'll never get along, they haven't for thousands of years what makes you think they will now? They won't just magically make peace because of a roadmap... just seperate them, the wall is the best solution.
 

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Ya a wall...That'll stop the hatred.

One suicide bomber slips through blows up 20, 30, whatever number of Israelis and renders the wall useless.

Peace won't happen until violence is dismissed.
 
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