Covid-19 most likely came from a lab leak,,,,,,,,,duh

[Valcazar]

Because some guy on youtube clearly knows more than the thousands of scientists studying it.

Your desperation to dismiss scientific evidence puts to bed any of your claims to want a full investigation.

It's weirder than that.
That Hill Rising piece harped on the military games.

That's the basis of the CCP story that it was really the Americans who caused it.

Apparently The Oracle wants the zoonotic case to be wrong so much that he is willing to push for the CCP cover story.

 

[basketcase]

Ah, no. We know that this Big Foot exists, worked on the virus and it all started in or around Big Foot's cave. And then Big Foot denied all the access to his secret cave and blamed the chimps in the valley for the whole fiasco.

Sorry but your attempt at the analogy is massively flawed. We know things that look like footprints exist. We know blurry footage of something in the woods exists. We know people claim to 'know' they exist but don't provide anything other than coincidences.

Meanwhile yet another scientific study comes out suggesting that the coelacanth exists but all you ant to do is talk about they guy you heard who knows a guy who said he saw bigfoot.

 

[jcpro]

Sorry but your attempt at the analogy is massively flawed. We know things that look like footprints exist. We know blurry footage of something in the woods exists. We know people claim to 'know' they exist but don't provide anything other than coincidences.

Meanwhile yet another scientific study comes out suggesting that the coelacanth exists but all you ant to do is talk about they guy you heard who knows a guy who said he saw bigfoot.

You do know that you live in a free country, don't you? You don't have to follow the party lines. You have the right to ask questions, express doubt and even, gasp!, change your mind. I know that to the lefties this sounds strange and terrifying, but skepticism and an open mind are good for you and the society. Try it.

 

[Valcazar]

You do know that you live in a free country, don't you? You don't have to follow the party lines. You have the right to ask questions, express doubt and even, gasp!, change your mind. I know that to the lefties this sounds strange and terrifying, but skepticism and an open mind are good for you and the society. Try it.

That's a nice judo flip try, jcpro, I applaud it.

But that's really a "physician, heal thyself" moment.

 

[basketcase]

You do know that you live in a free country, don't you? You don't have to follow the party lines. You have the right to ask questions, express doubt and even, gasp!, change your mind. I know that to the lefties this sounds strange and terrifying, but skepticism and an open mind are good for you and the society. Try it.

Yes, that's why I'm extremely critical of people who claim to follow science when the reality is they are falling victim to people pushing completely unsupported trash.

Have you not noticed that the vast majority of people using their platform to push anti-science ideas are doing it to make money? Either they're like Alex Jones and the 'natural' health people who are hawking their snake oil or they are idiots like Chris Sky and Dr. Nurse who are doing it simply to make money off social media. Hell, even the fraudulant doc behind the modern anti-vax movement was doing so because he was trying to market his own measles vaccine.

Another thing you might notice is that while you're basing your arguments on tiktok vids, I'm posting scientific papers.

 

[jcpro]

Yes, that's why I'm extremely critical of people who claim to follow science when the reality is they are falling victim to people pushing completely unsupported trash.

Have you not noticed that the vast majority of people using their platform to push anti-science ideas are doing it to make money? Either they're like Alex Jones and the 'natural' health people who are hawking their snake oil or they are idiots like Chris Sky and Dr. Nurse who are doing it simply to make money off social media. Hell, even the fraudulant doc behind the modern anti-vax movement was doing so because he was trying to market his own measles vaccine.

Another thing you might notice is that while you're basing your arguments on tiktok vids, I'm posting scientific papers.

Please, don't bring money in to this subject. You're just making yourself look silly- nobody came even far from what the big pharma pocketed from Covid-19. As for the rest- the "evolving" science turned up spectacularly wrong on too many issues to take anything coming from the medical research at face value. If anything we have learned from Covid-19 is this: when the "science", politicians and media get together to greet you with a "good morning ", make sure to open the curtains to check for daylight.

 

[lomotil]

Yes, that's why I'm extremely critical of people who claim to follow science when the reality is they are falling victim to people pushing completely unsupported trash.

Have you not noticed that the vast majority of people using their platform to push anti-science ideas are doing it to make money? Either they're like Alex Jones and the 'natural' health people who are hawking their snake oil or they are idiots like Chris Sky and Dr. Nurse who are doing it simply to make money off social media. Hell, even the fraudulant doc behind the modern anti-vax movement was doing so because he was trying to market his own measles vaccine.

Another thing you might notice is that while you're basing your arguments on tiktok vids, I'm posting scientific papers.

By continuously and conveniently wrapping yourself so obtusely in the “science “, and ignoring the glaringly obvious, you are an abomination at all levels, including science and political science in this pandemic.

 

[The Oracle]

By continuously and conveniently wrapping yourself so obtusely in the “science “, and ignoring the glaringly obvious, you are an abomination at all levels, including science and political science in this pandemic.

The indoctrination with this group is deep at this point.

I feel the major side effect of these jabs might be self righteousness.....

 

[Valcazar]

By continuously and conveniently wrapping yourself so obtusely in the “science “, and ignoring the glaringly obvious, you are an abomination at all levels, including science and political science in this pandemic.

What "glaringly obvious" oversight is he ignoring that makes him "an abomination at all levels".

 

[basketcase]

Please, don't bring money in to this subject....

Because you're afraid your ant-establishment heroes would be exposed as frauds they are?

Of course Big Pharma is making a shitload. That's the capitalist ideal you support isn't it? The difference is the products sold by Pharma are backed with actual repeated science while the snake oil hawked by the anti-vax crowd don't.

 

[basketcase]

By continuously and conveniently wrapping yourself so obtusely in the “science “, and ignoring the glaringly obvious, you are an abomination at all levels, including science and political science in this pandemic.

I'd rather wrap myself in science than in gut feelings and social media. After all, the glaringly obvious is science has resulted in massive improvement to the quality and length of life. You might want to feel special because you have some kind of secret knowledge that 'they' don't want you to have but that's your problem, not mine.

The politics side is pretty irrelevant; there are politicians out there that run the gambit from trying to lock down everything to pretending covid isn't real. What I follow is what the science says.

If you're happy living your life with ivermectin and prayer, go for it. You will end up as a burden on the health care system but that's your right.

 

[jcpro]

I'd rather wrap myself in science than in gut feelings and social media. After all, the glaringly obvious is science has resulted in massive improvement to the quality and length of life. You might want to feel special because you have some kind of secret knowledge that 'they' don't want you to have but that's your problem, not mine.

The politics side is pretty irrelevant; there are politicians out there that run the gambit from trying to lock down everything to pretending covid isn't real. What I follow is what the science says.

If you're happy living your life with ivermectin and prayer, go for it. You will end up as a burden on the health care system but that's your right.

You're not wrapping yourself in science, just conjecture and propaganda.

 

[dvous11]

You're not wrapping yourself in science, just conjecture and propaganda.

100%
These people who've been hypnotized by "the science" propaganda are just like those in 1692 who'd say "We have to burn the Witch because GOD SAID SO!"

 

[jcpro]

I remember when Trump first started talking about the lab leak hypothesis- it was at the same time that he was minimizing the virus, refusing to wear a mask, encouraging people to inject themselves with bleach, etc.

Moreover, when Trump was asked why he thought the lab leak theory was valid his reply was that his opinion was based on secret information that he could not share. Then he started calling covid the “Kung Flu” and “China Virus” after specifically being asked not to out of concern about ginning up hate against Asian Americans.

So overall it looked like Trump was just spewing politicized bs like he always does…and in the absence of any other credible source supporting this idea everyone concluded that Trump was just lying again.

Now we have assessments of low to moderate confidence that perhaps it was a lab leak and the Trump supporters are all desperately trying to do celebration dances in the end zone? LMAO…Dude- check the scoreboard; you’re on the wrong end of a blow out and you don’t even know it.

Yes, and you and the MSM and political hacks all over, instead of asking questions, simply declared the lab origins a "conspiracy theory " and "debunked it " based on that assertion.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1640616651572883456

 

[The Oracle]

Yes, and you and the MSM and political hacks all over, instead of asking questions, simply declared the lab origins a "conspiracy theory " and "debunked it " based on that assertion.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1640616651572883456

They're still spouting the Trump said to inject bleach BS I see as well. Which of course he never did.

But I guess if you repeat it enough you begin to believe it though.....

 

[basketcase]

You're not wrapping yourself in science, just conjecture and propaganda.

Culture and propaganda of actually reading through published scientific studies? Maybe I should join the intelligent people like you and get all my info from tiktok.

 

[basketcase]

100%
These people who've been hypnotized by "the science" propaganda are just like those in 1692 who'd say "We have to burn the Witch because GOD SAID SO!"

Um. Do you not see how idiotically inverted your claims are?

 

[basketcase]

Yes, and you and the MSM and political hacks all over, instead of asking questions, simply declared the lab origins a "conspiracy theory " and "debunked it " based on that assertion. ...

I won't speak for others but I dismissed it based on the lack of evidence for it at the time. And based on the intelligence and medical agencies, at the time of Trump's ramblings, there was absolutely nothing to back it.

 

[jcpro]

I won't speak for others but I dismissed it based on the lack of evidence for it at the time. And based on the intelligence and medical agencies, at the time of Trump's ramblings, there was absolutely nothing to back it.

That's because you weren't looking. Got to keep an open mind, buddy.

 

[basketcase]

They're still spouting the Trump said to inject bleach BS I see as well. Which of course he never did.
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Right. Have you actually looked at what he said? C-Span has the video as well as the transcript.

"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful."

President Trump with Coronavirus Task Force Briefing

President Trump and members of the White House Coronavirus Task Force held a briefing on the federal government's response to the pandemic. When asked about Georgia Governor Brian Kemp's (R) plan to reopen parts of the state economy in the coming days, the president responded, "I'm not happy...

www.c-span.org