Covid-19 most likely came from a lab leak,,,,,,,,,duh

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Listen up kiddo. Facts are Wuhan lab was working on Coronaviruses for the last decade or two.
There are published studies where they admit doing as such.

Fast forward to 2019 and suddenly a coronavirus infects half the planet, and are you gullible to believe thats all an accident??!!
 

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One of the greatest pieces of evidences supporting a non-zoonotic origin of Covid-19 is the PRC allowing the wet markets to re-open and the immediate scuttling and obfuscation of the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s research involving the deliberate infection of human cells with Coronavirus very early in the pandemic.

Clearly the PRC believes that Covid-19 was iatrogenic even if they imply that this manmade pandemic virus came from elsewhere and not Wuhan because they necessarily have to “ save face” and their ass too!
 
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Raccoons??

No Werewolves??
Racoon dogs (tanuki) exist.
Werewolves don't.

@Valcazar

Listen up kiddo. Facts are Wuhan lab was working on Coronaviruses for the last decade or two.
There are published studies where they admit doing as such.

Fast forward to 2019 and suddenly a coronavirus infects half the planet, and are you gullible to believe thats all an accident??!!
No, it isn't gullible to believe that's an accident.
Not falling for the easy story that is emotionally soothing requires paying attention and prioritizing reason over gut emotion.

Take a breath and try to think clearly.


 
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One of the greatest pieces of evidences supporting a non-zoonotic origin of Covid-19 is the PRC allowing the wet markets to re-open and the immediate scuttling and obfuscation of the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s research involving the deliberate infection of human cells with Coronavirus very early in the pandemic.

Clearly the PRC believes that Covid-19 was iatrogenic even if they imply that this manmade pandemic virus came from elsewhere and not Wuhan because they necessarily have to “ save face” and their ass too!
But that argument also applies to the wet market.
The PRC culled all the animals there and hid data from the investigation.
They have repeatedly denied that there was illegal wildlife trade happening at the wet market.
The market is owned by someone with connections to Xi.

All of your "they acted sketchy and were trying to save face" ideas work just as well for the zoonotic spillover scenario.
 

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He is an ideologue. They do not vacate their original position, ever. But, I'm glad that bats are off the hook. 😆
China is a left-wing commie country.
Thats why the Lefties are so deep in denial, they dont wanna be seen as accusing their own kind.
If that virus had escaped near Trump tower in NYC they'd be all over that
 
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LOL...All these left wing media outlets spreading this natural origin theory .

So they're moving off horseshoe bats now?

The virus shows up in a city which has a lab which works on sars like coronaviruses more than any other lab in the world.

Geographical coincidence? LOL...

Also this virus seems to be particularly adapted to be spread amongst humans where most viruses are not. This virus has a receptor binding domain on its spike gene which is well adapted to the human ace two receptor on our cells. Not very well adapted to other species receptors. It has what is called a furin cleavage site. This is why it spread so quickly. Without this it would have been fairly easy to control. Western virologists thought at first that it was engineered. Then the Chinese announced that they had found the virus in a pangolin that was 99 % similar. Eureka case closed the intermediate animal is found..Except that the published data showed this pangolin virus it didn't have the furin cleavage site and that there were no pangolins on sale in wuhan. So that couldn't have explained how the outbreak occurred in Wuhan. Project defuse tells us that Peter Daszak of the World Health Alliance was working with the lab in Wuhan experimenting with inserting a furin cleavage site into a bat virus. The Chinese have of course reused to reveal the contents of their data base with over 22k entries on viruses affecting wildlife. About 15k related to bats. So far there have been no affected animals found. No evidence of previous infected people in blood banks. Nobody who looks like an indexed case. 80k animals tested at the outbreak and not one was infected.
 

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China is a left-wing commie country.
Thats why the Lefties are so deep in denial, they dont wanna be seen as accusing their own kind.
If that virus had escaped near Trump tower in NYC they'd be all over that
KLAUS LOVESSS China, he loves the obedient Chinese people.
 

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yes, many internet comments are stupid.

LOL...All these left wing media outlets spreading this natural origin theory .

So they're moving off horseshoe bats now?
...
Strange that people interested in science follow where the evidence leads.



All of the covid deniers who have been obsessively pushing the lab leak hypothesis keep claiming that we should be searching for more evidence. Strange that they're suddenly upset when more evidence comes out.
 

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yes, many internet comments are stupid.


Strange that people interested in science follow where the evidence leads.



All of the covid deniers who have been obsessively pushing the lab leak hypothesis keep claiming that we should be searching for more evidence. Strange that they're suddenly upset when more evidence comes out.
Covid deniers,lol.......Nice phraseology....

Your science seems to be impeded by that government that the right honourable Justin Trudeau admires so much.
 

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He is an ideologue. They do not vacate their original position, ever. But, I'm glad that bats are off the hook. 😆
LOL.
I'm here pointing to actual science and research, looking at the evidence and discussing what it would take to change my views and so on - while you all double down and refuse to listen to anything and accuse me of being an ideologue who won't vacate my original position.

It's really kind of hilarious.

China is a left-wing commie country.
Thats why the Lefties are so deep in denial, they dont wanna be seen as accusing their own kind.
If that virus had escaped near Trump tower in NYC they'd be all over that
I mean look here.
I am accusing China of a cover up, and Phil is out here saying I'm defending China and babbling about New York.

If I was so ideologically driven to blame Trump, don't you think I would be backing the "military exercises" story that would allow it to be Trump's fault ?
 
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Valcazar

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LOL...All these left wing media outlets spreading this natural origin theory .
I keep forgetting scientific papers are "left wing" now.

So they're moving off horseshoe bats now?
You don't bother to read things, do you?

Also this virus seems to be particularly adapted to be spread amongst humans where most viruses are not. This virus has a receptor binding domain on its spike gene which is well adapted to the human ace two receptor on our cells. Not very well adapted to other species receptors. It has what is called a furin cleavage site. This is why it spread so quickly. Without this it would have been fairly easy to control. Western virologists thought at first that it was engineered. Then the Chinese announced that they had found the virus in a pangolin that was 99 % similar. Eureka case closed the intermediate animal is found..Except that the published data showed this pangolin virus it didn't have the furin cleavage site and that there were no pangolins on sale in wuhan. So that couldn't have explained how the outbreak occurred in Wuhan. Project defuse tells us that Peter Daszak of the World Health Alliance was working with the lab in Wuhan experimenting with inserting a furin cleavage site into a bat virus. The Chinese have of course reused to reveal the contents of their data base with over 22k entries on viruses affecting wildlife. About 15k related to bats. So far there have been no affected animals found. No evidence of previous infected people in blood banks. Nobody who looks like an indexed case. 80k animals tested at the outbreak and not one was infected.
LOL. Amazing.
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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I am accusing China of a cover up, and Phil is out here saying I'm defending China
I didnt mention you personally, but you do sound kinda guilty when you respond like this
 
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Valcazar

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Sounds like you are herxing......stay the course keep reading the truth will be your cure.
I'm gonna give you props for a good metaphor in context.
Unexpected.
Well done.

I didnt mention you personally, but you do sound kinda guilty when you respond like this
Phil, you ain't that slick.
We both know damn well I am included in your "lefties" group.
 
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