Covid-19 most likely came from a lab leak,,,,,,,,,duh

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The timeline doesn't add up for their racoon dog red herring.
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Because some guy on youtube clearly knows more than the thousands of scientists studying it.

Your desperation to dismiss scientific evidence puts to bed any of your claims to want a full investigation.
 

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So the lab leak hypothesis has as much evidence as bigfoot. Thanks.
Ah, no. We know that this Big Foot exists, worked on the virus and it all started in or around Big Foot's cave. And then Big Foot denied all the access to his secret cave and blamed the chimps in the valley for the whole fiasco.
 
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Because some guy on youtube clearly knows more than the thousands of scientists studying it.

Your desperation to dismiss scientific evidence puts to bed any of your claims to want a full investigation.
You mean the thousands scientists being pressured to come up with any theory to prove it's not from a lab.........
 

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You mean the thousands scientists being pressured to come up with any theory to prove it's not from a lab.........
WTF are you talking about? Have you run out of ways to justify your belief in it being a lab leak that you are now blaming global conspiracies?
 
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It is amazing how the Terb Experts here are more knowledgeable than heads of viral genomics and scientists, mind-boggling I tell you.


A natural origin is still the more likely theory, said Professor David Robertson, head of viral genomics and bioinformatics at the University of Glasgow.
"There's been an accumulation of evidence (what we know about the viruses biology, the close variants circulating in bats and locations of early human cases) that firmly points to a natural origin centred on the Huanan market in Wuhan city," he said.
Prof Alice Hughes from the University of Hong Kong agreed. She said the US Department of Energy's conclusion that the virus was most likely the result of a lab leak in Wuhan "appears not to be based on new evidence, and remains the weaker of the two main hypothesis of the origin of the virus".
 
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Because some guy on youtube clearly knows more than the thousands of scientists studying it.

Your desperation to dismiss scientific evidence puts to bed any of your claims to want a full investigation.
It's weirder than that.
That Hill Rising piece harped on the military games.

That's the basis of the CCP story that it was really the Americans who caused it.

Apparently The Oracle wants the zoonotic case to be wrong so much that he is willing to push for the CCP cover story.
 

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Ah, no. We know that this Big Foot exists, worked on the virus and it all started in or around Big Foot's cave. And then Big Foot denied all the access to his secret cave and blamed the chimps in the valley for the whole fiasco.
Sorry but your attempt at the analogy is massively flawed. We know things that look like footprints exist. We know blurry footage of something in the woods exists. We know people claim to 'know' they exist but don't provide anything other than coincidences.

Meanwhile yet another scientific study comes out suggesting that the coelacanth exists but all you ant to do is talk about they guy you heard who knows a guy who said he saw bigfoot.
 
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Sorry but your attempt at the analogy is massively flawed. We know things that look like footprints exist. We know blurry footage of something in the woods exists. We know people claim to 'know' they exist but don't provide anything other than coincidences.

Meanwhile yet another scientific study comes out suggesting that the coelacanth exists but all you ant to do is talk about they guy you heard who knows a guy who said he saw bigfoot.
You do know that you live in a free country, don't you? You don't have to follow the party lines. You have the right to ask questions, express doubt and even, gasp!, change your mind. I know that to the lefties this sounds strange and terrifying, but skepticism and an open mind are good for you and the society. Try it.
 

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You do know that you live in a free country, don't you? You don't have to follow the party lines. You have the right to ask questions, express doubt and even, gasp!, change your mind. I know that to the lefties this sounds strange and terrifying, but skepticism and an open mind are good for you and the society. Try it.
That's a nice judo flip try, jcpro, I applaud it.

But that's really a "physician, heal thyself" moment.
 

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You do know that you live in a free country, don't you? You don't have to follow the party lines. You have the right to ask questions, express doubt and even, gasp!, change your mind. I know that to the lefties this sounds strange and terrifying, but skepticism and an open mind are good for you and the society. Try it.
Yes, that's why I'm extremely critical of people who claim to follow science when the reality is they are falling victim to people pushing completely unsupported trash.

Have you not noticed that the vast majority of people using their platform to push anti-science ideas are doing it to make money? Either they're like Alex Jones and the 'natural' health people who are hawking their snake oil or they are idiots like Chris Sky and Dr. Nurse who are doing it simply to make money off social media. Hell, even the fraudulant doc behind the modern anti-vax movement was doing so because he was trying to market his own measles vaccine.

Another thing you might notice is that while you're basing your arguments on tiktok vids, I'm posting scientific papers.
 

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Yes, that's why I'm extremely critical of people who claim to follow science when the reality is they are falling victim to people pushing completely unsupported trash.

Have you not noticed that the vast majority of people using their platform to push anti-science ideas are doing it to make money? Either they're like Alex Jones and the 'natural' health people who are hawking their snake oil or they are idiots like Chris Sky and Dr. Nurse who are doing it simply to make money off social media. Hell, even the fraudulant doc behind the modern anti-vax movement was doing so because he was trying to market his own measles vaccine.

Another thing you might notice is that while you're basing your arguments on tiktok vids, I'm posting scientific papers.
Please, don't bring money in to this subject. You're just making yourself look silly- nobody came even far from what the big pharma pocketed from Covid-19. As for the rest- the "evolving" science turned up spectacularly wrong on too many issues to take anything coming from the medical research at face value. If anything we have learned from Covid-19 is this: when the "science", politicians and media get together to greet you with a "good morning ", make sure to open the curtains to check for daylight.
 

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Yes, that's why I'm extremely critical of people who claim to follow science when the reality is they are falling victim to people pushing completely unsupported trash.

Have you not noticed that the vast majority of people using their platform to push anti-science ideas are doing it to make money? Either they're like Alex Jones and the 'natural' health people who are hawking their snake oil or they are idiots like Chris Sky and Dr. Nurse who are doing it simply to make money off social media. Hell, even the fraudulant doc behind the modern anti-vax movement was doing so because he was trying to market his own measles vaccine.

Another thing you might notice is that while you're basing your arguments on tiktok vids, I'm posting scientific papers.
By continuously and conveniently wrapping yourself so obtusely in the “science “, and ignoring the glaringly obvious, you are an abomination at all levels, including science and political science in this pandemic.
 

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By continuously and conveniently wrapping yourself so obtusely in the “science “, and ignoring the glaringly obvious, you are an abomination at all levels, including science and political science in this pandemic.
The indoctrination with this group is deep at this point.

I feel the major side effect of these jabs might be self righteousness.....
 

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By continuously and conveniently wrapping yourself so obtusely in the “science “, and ignoring the glaringly obvious, you are an abomination at all levels, including science and political science in this pandemic.
What "glaringly obvious" oversight is he ignoring that makes him "an abomination at all levels".
 

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Please, don't bring money in to this subject....
Because you're afraid your ant-establishment heroes would be exposed as frauds they are?

Of course Big Pharma is making a shitload. That's the capitalist ideal you support isn't it? The difference is the products sold by Pharma are backed with actual repeated science while the snake oil hawked by the anti-vax crowd don't.
 
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By continuously and conveniently wrapping yourself so obtusely in the “science “, and ignoring the glaringly obvious, you are an abomination at all levels, including science and political science in this pandemic.
I'd rather wrap myself in science than in gut feelings and social media. After all, the glaringly obvious is science has resulted in massive improvement to the quality and length of life. You might want to feel special because you have some kind of secret knowledge that 'they' don't want you to have but that's your problem, not mine.

The politics side is pretty irrelevant; there are politicians out there that run the gambit from trying to lock down everything to pretending covid isn't real. What I follow is what the science says.

If you're happy living your life with ivermectin and prayer, go for it. You will end up as a burden on the health care system but that's your right.
 

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I'd rather wrap myself in science than in gut feelings and social media. After all, the glaringly obvious is science has resulted in massive improvement to the quality and length of life. You might want to feel special because you have some kind of secret knowledge that 'they' don't want you to have but that's your problem, not mine.

The politics side is pretty irrelevant; there are politicians out there that run the gambit from trying to lock down everything to pretending covid isn't real. What I follow is what the science says.

If you're happy living your life with ivermectin and prayer, go for it. You will end up as a burden on the health care system but that's your right.
You're not wrapping yourself in science, just conjecture and propaganda.
 
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