Covid-19 most likely came from a lab leak,,,,,,,,,duh
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Considering NONE of the intelligence agencies claim to have ANY intelligence from that time...
But if you believe everything Trump claims, I have some steaks to sell you.
Strange. You keep claiming to be looking for truth but obsessively claim that a small part of US intelligence knows better than the majority of US intelligence.
Sorry but despite your arguments having a veneer of intelligence, you clearly have decided long ago that it is a lab leak and simply dismiss anything that disagrees with that.
The CIA has made no statement, most likely because they don't see there being any conclusive evidence (and they are the leading source of foreign intel). You also suggest that the FBI shares their intel with other agencies. if so, how come the majority of agencies have looked at that data and have either concluded otherwise or made no conclusion?
If I read correctly, you are arguing that the first outbreak was at the lab and the market outbreak was a later incident. Is there evidence for this?
And sorry but unless there was an abnormally large crowd at a hospital near the lab, I don't see what satellite photos would show as evidence (other than to suggest there is some bigfoot-like proof that no one can ever produce).
I know it must suck to see all of your arguments ripped apart with science. I'm sure putting me on ignore will help your feelings of self worth.I'm getting very close to putting this clown on ignore
There as a great amount of effort to show that there was no evidence supporting his claims at that time.
Other than them not wanting China or other adversaries to know what kinds of assets they have.
''Time and time again disinformation watch dogs fail their own test''
Great breakdown of the lableak theory and how it was shot down by MSM, government and corporate interests.
The FBI is one of the two most important intelligence agencies. The CIA is the other one and they are silent. I'm not sure if you are arguing that they are not important or that all U.S. intelligence agencies have equal status. Following your kitchen sink style of debate, you seem to be arguing both simultaneously. Of course, both arguments would be wrong. I think we all know that the FBI is important. As far as all U.S. intelligence agencies being equal, we know that defies reasonable thought.
The 4 agencies vs. 1 or 4 agencies vs. 2 are interesting numbers. However, these things aren't decided by polling agencies. At a minimum, we should not believe the wet market theory as the definitive answer. Everyone's confidence in a definitive answer should be much lower. I'm not hearing that from you.
No, I'm simply pointing out that in 2020 the intelligence agencies and cooperative media partners didn't represent the information they had in hand accurately. I suppose if you are trying prove somehow that there is or was evidence to support the wet market theory, then I am trying to support the lab leak theory to diminish your argument. You are here still arguing for the wet market theory with all your gusto.
One, the agencies more than likely don't get the same information in the same timeline. Two, the agencies might not be motivated to revise their initial prognosis from a few years ago. You still seem stuck on this four agencies versus two agencies thinking that has been raised. I don't find counting agencies provides a definitive answer.
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As the female news anchor said in the video: "We actually don't have different outlets covering the same kind of news...............
What you believe becomes completely determined by the news channels you watch."
Interestingly, The Hill pisses off conservatives and liberal alike. I don't seem to be able to identify a political bias across the outlet.
Aww...You really nailed the stereotype. Common sense particle (need microscope to view)
You found a meme!
Good job!
Sorry, just want to clarify.
The agencies have all weighed in, they just aren't identified in the classified summary.
The FBI went and stated that yes, they were the ones who said likely with moderate confidence.
The DOE was identified in the reporting as the one that recently switched, but hasn't actually confirmed anything.
The CIA has been identified (but hasn't said anything) as one of the agencies that said "we don't have enough conclusive evidence" (The only options for the CIA are they don't have enough conclusive evidence or they believe it was zoonotic, since the other options are accounted for.) but they haven't confirmed that.
Right now, only the FBI has gone on the record identifying which analysis was theirs. The usual thing in these kinds of summary reports, from what I understand, is that the agencies don't identify who recommended what. (Although I suspect they strategically leak it to reporters without confirming it, which is why we think the CIA is in the "not enough info" group.)
No one should guess "they haven't said anything because" - they just usually don't say anything and the "we don't really know" is already included in the report.
To clarify, I did not post a paper on the Wuhan satellite imagery. I posted a CNN article that there was speculation that the outbreak could have occurred earlier than noted. This speculation was derived from analyzing hospital activity in the Wuhan area from 2019 satellite data.
Again, I interpreted one of your comments to mean you didn't hear about satellites revealing hospital activity. That is the only reason why I posted the CNN article. I never provided it as evidence or suggested such.
Perhaps you dived into a paper referenced in the CNN article that discussed the hospital activity. If the major hospitals are incidentally close to the lab as you noted, that is an excellent point.
I have been completely upfront that it was conjecture. In the end without Chinese cooperation, the FBI's conclusion is likely made from a mosaic of intelligence.
To be clear, I hadn't heard anything about the FBI using satellite imagery.
Not that satellite imagery hadn't been used for anything.
But we basically agree here. This isn't particularly revealing and we know nothing about what satellite imagery the FBI may have used. (And I remain skeptical anything useful could be gained by that method.
I agree completely. All the agencies are presumably using a mosaic of intelligence that they have available.
In other news, some interesting data about what sequences were available at WIV.
