Covid-19 most likely came from a lab leak,,,,,,,,,duh
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Thats exactly what he said. It would have to be proof, what else could it be.
But of course you have trouble putting 2 and 2 together, just like you did from the start of the lab leak theory
Fair enough. But now the White House is saying there is no consensus on the origins of the virus. That's a long, long way from the gaslighting that occurred of anyone who uttered "lab leak" in 2020. This WSJ headline below seems fair based on the quotes.
White House Says No Consensus on Covid Origin
There is no consensus within the Biden administration over the origins of the pandemic, an official said after the disclosure of an Energy Department assessment that the coronavirus likely leaked from a Chinese lab.
www.wsj.com
Per the WSJ article: National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said that President Biden is determined to nail down where Covid started but there continues to be broad uncertainty within the administration about its origins. He declined to comment on the Journal article.
“There is not a consensus right now in the U.S. government about exactly how Covid started,” Mr. Kirby said at a briefing Monday. “We’re just not there yet,” he said. “If we have something that is ready to be briefed to the American people and the Congress, we will do that.”
At the risk of being didactic, note President Biden is determined to nail down where the virus originated. They're just not there yet.
What about all the evidence that basketcase keeps inferring exists?
Valcazar, we had an interesting exchange awhile back. (Probably more interesting for me than you.) I was contrasting to you another left wing member. I said they were an ideologue and you were a partisan. You disagreed and said that you were an ideologue.
To me, an ideologue is not interested in finding the truth. They are firmly on a political path and the objective is all that matters. That's why social media gets infested with impassioned but clumsy posts usually propped up by biased media reports.
From our days back at MERB, I always think you try to keep an open mind and our disagreements generally come from our political principles rather than ridiculous declarations.
To me, an ideologue is not interested in finding the truth. They are firmly on a political path and the objective is all that matters. That's why social media gets infested with impassioned but clumsy posts usually propped up by biased media reports.
From our days back at MERB, I always think you try to keep an open mind and our disagreements generally come from our political principles rather than ridiculous declarations.
France Warned US in 2015 About China’s Wuhan Lab, Investigator Says
French intelligence officials said in 2015 China cut back on agreed collaboration at the Wuhan lab, a former State Department official says.
www.dailysignal.com
I do not agree with you that the Chinese are operating entirely on philosophical grounds. It doesn't take any stretch to make a case that the Wuhan Lab is off-limits due to secretive research. If you want to argue that the Chinese government is as open and transparent as Western governments, be my guest.
This line of argument is a black hole for you. I always make the case that foreign policy is a very slippery and messy slope where accommodations are being made every day and are very fluid. There's no black and white in foreign policy unless someone attacks you directly.
Do you know that the FBI (and CIA) have access to satellite photos of Wuhan area hospitals in late 2019/early 2020? They know there was increased activity at the hospitals. They can see it.
I think you know where I am going with this. The U.S. intelligence agencies can determine where the center of the outbreak was with some degree of accuracy. They do not have to rely on China's self-reported evidence.
So the FBI has this information and it is very possible U.S. health agencies do not.
CIA? Still silent on the matter.
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I think they are disturbed (and rightly so) that the government bureaucracies and the media went out of their way to gaslight people in 2020 who felt the wet market theory was too lazy and convenient.
So…are you interested in the origin of the virus? Or are you just made because people said mean things to you in 2020?
Thanks but you still haven’t answered the question: Do you actually care about the origin of the virus or are you just looking for vindication over your hurt feelings about people being mean to you over the lab leak theory?
Both issues are important. I don’t think we will ever get to the bottom of the covid origin question but I am sure all of the terb members, regardless of political beliefs or affiliations, would be more than happy to organize a pity party for you at a local strip club. I’ll even pick up your bar tab (but you will have to pay for your own lap dances).
KB, it's okay to strongly challenge people's opinions and beliefs. It's not okay to try to veil ad hominem attacks as thoughtful discourse. I have no idea where you're trying to go with any of this.
The only takeaway I got was you now are saying is we will never get to the bottom of the COVID question. Those of us who have pointed out that that government agencies and much of the media misrepresented the information in 2020 are now to be mocked and harassed as angry and overly-sensitive?
Knuckle Ball, there are people on this thread still arguing vehemently that the virus originated at the Wuhan wet market.
And you are arguing vehemently that it was a lab leak…but why? Why do you keep claiming that you were “gaslighted?” Why are you so upset about the way people who supported the lab leak theory in 2020 were treated? Those things have nothing to do with the cause of covid.
Again, it appears that you are not particularly interested in the cause of covid but rather are seeking some sort of vindication to soothe your hurt feelings from 2020.
I believe we need to challenge the Chinese on this matter. I think they mishandled containing the virus initially and we should at least consider they brought it into the human population whether it was accidental or not. This possibility should have never been dismissed in 2020.
I don't give a shit about Trump, Fox News and expansive conspiracy theories. Other media outlets such as the Wall Street Journal were questioning the veracity of the wet market theory. However, I don't want my information chewed up and fed to me by government agencies or much of the media. They could have investigated this harder and been honest, but decided it wasn't something we needed to consider so they fed us misinformation.
Whether or not you know it or admit it, you are defending a perverse status quo. If the government and their cooperating media thinks we need to be misdirected, it's okay so long as they think they have good reason. You are defending this media conduct.
You made a mistake by picking me out of all the members on this thread. Yeah, I have no problem challenging you and keeping it civil. Valcazar and I seem to have good conversations because neither of us dig into some ideological redoubt. If you think mocking people and trying to find new angles to discredit them is your modus operandi, you will have to do better........much better.
These are my actual views:
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Gee. When people said otherwise, you complained they were political pawns pushing an agenda but when a Trump appointee says something you like, it must be proof. I'm sure you believe that Trump had proof when he made his claims even though no intelligence agencies supported him at the time.
And if the FBI has that proof, why do none of the other intelligence agencies, those with a direct mandate to either investigate biological weapons or investigate foreign countries have that proof?
