Covid-19 most likely came from a lab leak,,,,,,,,,duh

[lomotil]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a

The zoonotic transfer cabal may need to find other employment ? The apologists on this board for zoonotic transfer should crawl under a rock and stay there .

This is just awful, an irresponsible and catastrophic iatrogenic plague which rocked and continued to rock mankind and the planet medically and economically.

China already knew this from the onset as they allowed the wet markets to continue to operate as they knew that Covid-19 came out of the Wuhan Lab all along !

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Been saying that for the past 3 years.
Lefties are as dumb as bricks for not being able to put 2 and 2 together.

I dont think it was an intentional leak though.
If they were gonna leak it intentionally they wouldnt have leaked it so close to Wuhan lab

 

[SchlongConery]

Maybe "lefties" know what they don't know so they wait until they get more information. Did you read the actual article? I coudn't but just watched the CNN reporting on it so am a bit better informed.

The US federal agencies like the FBI have always said they believed it was a lab-borne virus. With varying levels of confidence. From Low to Moderate.

 

[WyattEarp]

Maybe "lefties" know what they don't know so they wait until they get more information. Did you read the actual article? I coudn't but just watched the CNN reporting on it so am a bit better informed.

The US federal agencies like the FBI have always said they believed it was a lab-borne virus. With varying levels of confidence. From Low to Moderate.

I have a very strong recollection that this issue was politicized when several Trump Administration officials leaned towards the Wuhan lab leak. Those who opposed Trump opposed the lab leak theory. Those here who opposed Trump continually posted sources who proclaimed with almost certainty that the virus could not have been leaked from the lab.

Now we are getting somewhat watered down views backtracking from this impossibility from govt. agencies. What would you expect? This whole issue of virus origination has been politicized and the agencies don't want to be in the center of a D.C. shitstorm.

My personal view was that no one will ever know with any certainty either way especially if the Chinese won't cooperate with U.N. and other international agencies. It seems like a simple enough of a view, but apparently not in the middle of a U.S. election cycle in 2020.

Fool yourself once, shame on you.
Fool yourself twice, I don't what to say. You need help. You can always dig out old posts from partisan left members who allowed for the lab leak possibility, but I don't think you will find them.

 

[basketcase]

...Did you read the actual article?...

Obviously not. Otherwise he would have seen the part where they put this in their lowest category of confidence.

Actual science says that there is more evidence supporting zoonotic transfer than a lab leak and absolutely zero evidence of manipulation of the virus. Being science, we all realize this may change if we get more evidence.

The only thing close to evidence for a lab leak is the rumours that a lab worker had some kind of respiratory symptoms and that the lab was in the same city as the outbreak.


People who politicized this like Trump and his zealots will never change their opinion because it was never based on evidence.


p.s. for wyatt - please go back and read my posts. They are all based on what the evidence shows.

 

[lomotil]

I have a very strong recollection that this issue was politicized when several Trump Administration officials leaned towards the Wuhan lab leak. Those who opposed Trump opposed the lab leak theory. Those here who opposed Trump continually posted sources who proclaimed with almost certainty that the virus could not have been leaked from the lab.

Now we are getting somewhat watered down views backtracking from this impossibility from govt. agencies. What would you expect? This whole issue of virus origination has been politicized and the agencies don't want to be in the center of a D.C. shitstorm.

My personal view was that no one will ever know with any certainty either way especially if the Chinese won't cooperate with U.N. and other international agencies. It seems like a simple enough of a view, but apparently not in the middle of a U.S. election cycle in 2020.

Fool yourself once, shame on you.
Fool yourself twice, I don't what to say. You need help. You can always dig out old posts from partisan left members who allowed for the lab leak possibility, but I don't think you will find them.

This is my post from August 2022:

Yes, there is a lab near the market, a unique lab known as the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a storied and famous lab linked to Canada’s National Microbiological Institute where two researches, a husband and wife staff working in Canada from the Wuhan Institute of Virology where escorted out of the Canadian lab for classified and undisclosed reasons in July 2019.
The lab in Wuhan was engaged in SAR-related coronavirus research at the time of the appearance of Covid-19.

Sick staff at this Wuhan lab went to the hospital in November 2019, staff that were working on SARS- coronaviridae research with Covid-19 like symptoms at a time when epidemiologist and virologists believe that Covid-19 started to circulate around Wuhan. These staff were not patrons of the local wet markets.
I believe that these staff contracted Covid-19 from their own lab and not from zoonotic transfer in the wet markets in all probability. The PRC has suppressed this data, researches and physicians associated with the Wuhan lab and have mysteriously died and disappeared.
I believe that studies to support zoonotic transfer have been necessarily concocted to absolve the Wuhan of any possibility of what was very very likely a lab leak of a contagion resulting in this pandemic. Much of the data supporting zoonotic transfer was conveniently supplied by the PRC and data to the contrary has been obscured to hide obvious inconsistencies and inconvenient truths. Announcement of the outbreak in Wuhan was concealed until cases exploded in early 2020, even by the PRC underwritten WHO.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/intell...b-fuels-debate-on-covid-19-origin-11621796228

https://www.livescience.com/covid-lab-leak-wuhan.html

 

[The Oracle]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a

The zoonotic transfer cabal may need to find other employment ? The apologists on this board for zoonotic transfer should crawl under a rock and stay there .

This is just awful, an irresponsible and catastrophic iatrogenic plague which rocked and continued to rock mankind and the planet medically and economically.

China already knew this from the onset as they allowed the wet markets to continue to operate as they knew that Covid-19 came out of the Wuhan Lab all along !

80,000 animals tested in Wuhan, 0 infected...LOL...Yeah it jumped from an invisible source.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Fauci is a piece of shit!!

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMYUN872v/

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Jon Stewart nailed it back in 2021

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

 

[Valcazar]

So the US intelligence services view has gone from 4 zootic, 1 lab leak, rest undecided to 4 zootic, 2 lab leak, rest undecided?

That's the thing you all are taking a victory lap for?

 

[The Oracle]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1630316679388438535

 

[The Oracle]

80,000 animals tested in Wuhan, 0 infected...LOL...Yeah it jumped from an invisible source.

And where did that furin cleavage site come from exactly?....Seems it's been added to the spike gene...Hmmm..How can anybody deny that this is man made.

You can plainly see that whats going on here. They're slowly starting to warm us up to what some of us have suspected all along. Bit by bit.....They will completely drop all the pretense a few years from now when the world is preoccupied with the next concocted catastrophe. So called climate change. Of course all be attributed to emerging science somehow and the sheep will follow their shepards.....

 

[WyattEarp]

So the US intelligence services view has gone from 4 zootic, 1 lab leak, rest undecided to 4 zootic, 2 lab leak, rest undecided?

That's the thing you all are taking a victory lap for?

I can't speak for others, but I am more interested in how much the needle has moved over the last two and half years. We went from it couldn't have been a lab leak to low confidence declarations on both viewpoints.

So not sure about taking victory laps. Perhaps based on your authoritative posts two years ago Val, you need to give back your Best Picture Academy Award for La La Land.

 

[WyattEarp]

Obviously not. Otherwise he would have seen the part where they put this in their lowest category of confidence.

The FBI has "moderate confidence" that it was a lab leak. The CIA hasn't opined. These two are the preeminent U.S. intelligence agencies. I think I read the U.S. agencies postulating zoonotic transfer are at low confidence on that viewpoint. I'm sorry that I don't have more confidence in their postulations.

Actual science says that there is more evidence supporting zoonotic transfer than a lab leak and absolutely zero evidence of manipulation of the virus. Being science, we all realize this may change if we get more evidence.

The only thing close to evidence for a lab leak is the rumours that a lab worker had some kind of respiratory symptoms and that the lab was in the same city as the outbreak.

People who politicized this like Trump and his zealots will never change their opinion because it was never based on evidence.

p.s. for wyatt - please go back and read my posts. They are all based on what the evidence shows.

You use the word "evidence" here quite liberally. What evidence have you seen? Is your evidence repeating something that was simply reported as factual? Are you basing it on the sham investigation by the WHO?

I have a bit more humility as I did two odd years ago. I don't know. I didn't think the evidence was conclusive. Apparently, the U.S. intelligence community isn't sure either.

 

[Valcazar]

I can't speak for others, but I am more interested in how much the needle has moved over the last two and half years. We went from it couldn't have been a lab leak to low confidence declarations on both viewpoints.

So not sure about taking victory laps. Perhaps based on your authoritative posts two years ago Val, you need to give back your Best Picture Academy Award for La La Land.

The needle hasn't moved much at all, though.
Most likely zoonotic transfer, can't rule lab leak out.
That's pretty much where it has been from the beginning.
Since then more evidence supporting zoonotic transfer has come out, not the same on the lab leak side (but then that's a lot harder to get evidence for).

Lab leak still being used as cover for "actually the Chinese were doing something nefarious" which remains a major driver of why the lab leak thing gets hyped the way it does in articles like this one. (There is a reason that headline was written that way.)

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

NYT reporter even started throwing around the race card

 

[jalimon]

This comes out as China is discussing helping Russia....

Its like Epstein we will never know how he died and the list of his islands visitor.

Just too much involved.

But down the why you all care so much where it's coming from as all along it was just comon cold right?

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Virologist claims Chinese government intentionally manufactured and released Covid:

CCP government 'intentionally released' COVID-19 'all over the world,' Chinese virologist says

Dr. Li Meng Yan, a Chinese virologist who sounded the alarm about the origins of COVID-19 in early 2020, speaks out after a classified intelligence report from the Energy Department found the virus most likely came from a Chinese lab.

www.foxnews.com

CCP government 'intentionally released' COVID-19 'all over the world,' Chinese virologist says
Dr. Li Meng Yan says the CCP underestimated the virus' transmissibility

A Chinese virologist who sounded the alarm in early 2020 about where the coronavirus came from said Monday the U.S. has reached a "milestone achievement" after a classified intelligence report from the Energy Department reportedly found the virus most likely originated in a Chinese lab.

Dr. Li Meng Yan told "Tucker Carlson Tonight" in September 2020 that the Chinese government intentionally manufactured and released the COVID-19 virus, leading to nationwide shutdowns and deaths.

Host Tucker Carlson asked Yan on Monday if she still believes the virus was intentionally released nearly three years after the pandemic started.

"Of course, it was not an accident," she responded.

"Maybe for people who don't have this kind of biosafety lab three or four [years] experience on coronavirus, maybe it's easy for them to accept the accident lab leak. However, I'm a scientist, working in [a] research lab using coronavirus. And I can tell you, based on the print protocol and also the other surveillance system, it would be impossible for the lab leak [to] accidentally happen in such [a] lab and cause the Wuhan outbreak and also the pandemic," Yan said.

"So definitely now we just reached the first step. It was from China's lab, and we need to pursue the truth of origin, and we need to keep going on."

Carlson suggested the Chinese government unleashed COVID to destroy Western economies and elevate their own position globally.

Yan said based on the evidence she has seen and the source she has spoken to, the virus was "intentionally brought out of this strict lab and released in the community."

"However, I don't think the outbreak in Wuhan was intentional. I would say it was because [the] CCP government and the military scientists underestimated the transmissibility," she added. "That's why finally it got out of control and the cost [was] a local outbreak. However, we should know that [the] CCP government intentionally let it go all over the world to kill millions of people all over the world later."

Yan was a respected doctor who specialized in virology and immunology at the Hong Kong School of Public Health before fleeing in April 2020 after she began looking into the growing number of cases coming out of mainland China that involved human-to-human transmission.

She said she reported her findings to her supervisor on Jan. 16, but that's when he allegedly told her "to keep silent, and be careful."

"As he warned me before, 'Don't touch the red line,'" Yan said referring to the government. "We will get in trouble, and we'll be disappeared."

 

[Knuckle Ball]

I remember when Trump first started talking about the lab leak hypothesis- it was at the same time that he was minimizing the virus, refusing to wear a mask, encouraging people to inject themselves with bleach, etc.

Moreover, when Trump was asked why he thought the lab leak theory was valid his reply was that his opinion was based on secret information that he could not share. Then he started calling covid the “Kung Flu” and “China Virus” after specifically being asked not to out of concern about ginning up hate against Asian Americans.

So overall it looked like Trump was just spewing politicized bs like he always does…and in the absence of any other credible source supporting this idea everyone concluded that Trump was just lying again.

Now we have assessments of low to moderate confidence that perhaps it was a lab leak and the Trump supporters are all desperately trying to do celebration dances in the end zone? LMAO…Dude- check the scoreboard; you’re on the wrong end of a blow out and you don’t even know it.