Cost for independent SP rant

[simba_one]

Ms. Jolie
First of all I love your post and value your opinions. I'd be remiss if I didn't say that I'm imagining you reading aloud with an amazing French accent.
I think you nailed it when you said " Darling move on see girls in your budget.They are plenty"

Simba

 

[thumper18474]

Ms. Jolie
First of all I love your post and value your opinions. I'd be remiss if I didn't say that I'm imagining you reading aloud with an amazing French accent. laying on your bed naked with your gorgeous bum swaying back and forth ever so slowly
I think you nailed it when you said " Darling move on see girls in your budget.They are plenty"

Simba

Fixed it for ya:adoration::adoration::adoration:

 

[simba_one]

Fixed it for ya:adoration::adoration::adoration:

Thank you! You definitely made the post look good and I appreciate the 'additional content' added. It's a great visual!

 

[fall]

You say you don't give a fuck where guys spend their money but you always have to tell guys where to spend their money. Lmao. Ok bud.

The main goal of this forum is to provide more information to hobbyists and allow them to make an educated decision. I completely agree that independent can charge whatever they want if there are some fools who are willing to pay that rates. The goal of this topic is to explain to these fools that independents are not better (and sometime worse) than agency girls and the fact that they ask for more money does not mean that they provide better services. For a person who new to this hobby and who got his price anchor from "the Beautiful Women" movie, using the corresponding exchange rate and inflation factor, it would appear that $400 is what the price for a nice girl should be. Americans used to $500+ USD per hour rate for decent girls. So, when they look at agency prices ($250) and independents ($350+) they think that agency is of a lower quality and, given such a "bargain" that independents offer (relative to what these guys thing the price should be) they go for "high quality" independent girls instead of "low quality" agency. And these guys are the independents' clientele and the main reason the independents are able to charge high price.

What is wrong in this picture? The fact that this naive guys use their upward biased assumption about the "fair" price and use the price itself as an indicator of quality. In other words, when they thing "high quality independent" vs. "low quality agency girls", they make a mistake. And guys in this thread are trying to educate these naive fools that the market price is $250 (and it is the market price in a competitive agency market) and that quality of independents are not better (and sometime worse) than quality of agency girls, and the only reason independents ask for more money because such naive fool exist. And, to complete the circle, given that such naive fools exist, some independent truly believe that they are "better" and this is where the entitlement comes from.

P.S.: I am not sure many girls will follow the logic of an economic model that I try to explain. Based on my past reading, Jessica Rain would be among the few once who does follow this logic and, deep down, understands it, but, consciously or unconsciously, dismiss it for a simple logic "if people are willing to pay $$$, why not charge $$$" and will definitely never publicly acknowledge that the reason for why people are willing to pay $$$ is not an independent SP's "individual quality" but rather uninformativeness of American clients (or new local hobbyists) and leasiness of old-aged clients who just want to stick to what they used to.

 

[rhuarc29]

The problem is that this market is somewhat inelastic; it's not a true market system. The legal situation surrounding it, as well as the lack of transparency, is what makes it so. TERB helps a little bit, but not nearly enough.

 

[rocco_s]

The main goal of this forum is to provide more information to hobbyists and allow them to make an educated decision. I completely agree that independent can charge whatever they want if there are some fools who are willing to pay that rates. The goal of this topic is to explain to these fools that independents are not better (and sometime worse) than agency girls and the fact that they ask for more money does not mean that they provide better services. For a person who new to this hobby and who got his price anchor from "the Beautiful Women" movie, using the corresponding exchange rate and inflation factor, it would appear that $400 is what the price for a nice girl should be. Americans used to $500+ USD per hour rate for decent girls. So, when they look at agency prices ($250) and independents ($350+) they think that agency is of a lower quality and, given such a "bargain" that independents offer (relative to what these guys thing the price should be) they go for "high quality" independent girls instead of "low quality" agency. And these guys are the independents' clientele and the main reason the independents are able to charge high price.

What is wrong in this picture? The fact that this naive guys use their upward biased assumption about the "fair" price and use the price itself as an indicator of quality. In other words, when they thing "high quality independent" vs. "low quality agency girls", they make a mistake. And guys in this thread are trying to educate these naive fools that the market price is $250 (and it is the market price in a competitive agency market) and that quality of independents are not better (and sometime worse) than quality of agency girls, and the only reason independents ask for more money because such naive fool exist. And, to complete the circle, given that such naive fools exist, some independent truly believe that they are "better" and this is where the entitlement comes from.

P.S.: I am not sure many girls will follow the logic of an economic model that I try to explain. Based on my past reading, Jessica Rain would be among the few once who does follow this logic and, deep down, understands it, but, consciously or unconsciously, dismiss it for a simple logic "if people are willing to pay $$$, why not charge $$$" and will definitely never publicly acknowledge that the reason for why people are willing to pay $$$ is not an independent SP's "individual quality" but rather uninformativeness of American clients (or new local hobbyists) and leasiness of old-aged clients who just want to stick to what they used to.

I appreciate your viewpoint and agree with it. There are so many girls who are employed by agencies for 250 /hr. I used to utilize independents when I first started but havent utilized their services in awhile due to both cost screening service restrictions etc. I also got berated for my sugar baby thread for paying girls 400 for overnights. The market is free and I encourage all the guys to explore all your options.

 

[simba_one]

Randomly came across this thread on twitter. It's clear that threads like this and reactions to same are talked about on all platforms.

https://twitter.com/ethicalassist/status/1139563504783056902

 

[Stefania]

I mentor a few people in business and this is always where I start. Never undervalue yourself. Every employer wants you to, and you simply choose those who treat you as you deserve. In parallel, keep raising your game and your value.

I think some do not like the "reality check" of your statements.

Wow finally someone with some sense. You know, I normally think this board is 90% trash and do my best to stay away from it sans bumping my ads because 90% of the members are carcinogenic to my brain cells, but then you get the occasional person like you who is rational and makes sense.

Of course the cancer of the board will call you a white knight but they like to bully and tear down anyone who doesn't agree with their self-serving points, so you know you're doing something right.

Keep doing what you're doing!

 

[simba_one]

I mentor a few people in business and this is always where I start. Never undervalue yourself. Every employer wants you to, and you simply choose those who treat you as you deserve. In parallel, keep raising your game and your value.

I think some do not like the "reality check" of your statements.

I agree. It's really a form of sabotaging oneself. You know, convincing yourself to 'settle'

 

[simba_one]

Wow finally someone with some sense. You know, I normally think this board is 90% trash and do my best to stay away from it sans bumping my ads because 90% of the members are carcinogenic to my brain cells, but then you get the occasional person like you who is rational and makes sense.

Of course the cancer of the board will call you a white knight but they like to bully and tear down anyone who doesn't agree with their self-serving points, so you know you're doing something right.

Keep doing what you're doing!

Everyone is entitled to their opinions so I make a conscious effort not to judge. After all this is a message board so the opinions expressed will vary. I do think it's cool that you have the courage to voice your opinions and have the courage to stand behind them.

 

[Minormajor]

Wow finally someone with some sense. You know, I normally think this board is 90% trash and do my best to stay away from it sans bumping my ads because 90% of the members are carcinogenic to my brain cells, but then you get the occasional person like you who is rational and makes sense.

Of course the cancer of the board will call you a white knight but they like to bully and tear down anyone who doesn't agree with their self-serving points, so you know you're doing something right.

Keep doing what you're doing!

If it makes you feel better people (not all but alot) treat bands the same way. The intense whining about having to pay a 10 buck cover. Oh the humanity of it lol. Not to mention understaffed security at clubs so drunken fuck nuts think its hilarious to pour beer on your rig while your playing. Just goes with the game.

 

[shack]

In this logic "Service and charging less, that is where more of the consumers will go."- you can fuck women all day in the 60-100 $ price range.
70 years old mama san or "no restriction" crackheads are waiting for you.T

Unfortunately, you fail to read my entire post, as I specifically said for a "comparable" service product. Your examples are hardly a valid comparison.

My point stands, if two products/services are comparable, consumers will more likely choose the one that costs less and they don't care if one has a lower or higher overhead. They only care about if they are able to pay less for similar quality.

You need to understand that reality and stop whining about guys trying to save a few bucks. It will not change, EVER.

 

[squeezer]

You do realize your passive aggressive response only reinforces the point (marks, fools, blah blah blah).

It is just money. Whether escorts or a pair of Saint Crispin's, spend it on what makes you happy. To pretend that anyone who exceeds a certain threshold is somehow being unwise with their money is ridiculous. We can spend the money *precisely* because we are wise with it.

As for what you are going to do with your day, none of us care. This is the point as well. Live your life, and don't judge others.

No passive-aggressive response in my post, it's to the point calling fools, fools! It is just money we agree, easily made and even easier spent but being a mark because one believes in smoke and mirrors is a shame. I don't really give a rat's ass what you think of how I spent my afternoon the same I'm sure many don't give a rat's ass how I think they should spend their own dime and that's cool but as BlueRay stated, the newbies deserve to know the truth.

 

[shack]

Live your life, and don't judge others.

I believe that the indies are being judgemental of us and how we choose to spend our money.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

No passive-aggressive response in my post, it's to the point calling fools, fools! It is just money we agree, easily made and even easier spent but being a mark because one believes in smoke and mirrors is a shame. I don't really give a rat's ass what you think of how I spent my afternoon the same I'm sure many don't give a rat's ass how I think they should spend their own dime and that's cool but as BlueRay stated, the newbies deserve to know the truth.

So you actually truly believe this horse shit that the only clients that see us are idiots who are newbies and don't know better or idiots who are regulars that won't move on. You.really believe that to be true. The only idiots I get are newbies or old tired regulars???

There is no way there could be another type of client that sees us???? Really????

Give your head a shake.

I believe that the indies are being judgemental of us and how we choose to spend our money.

We have already said, spend it where and how you want. It is you guys saying that our clients should not be spending money on us and making sweeping judgements about those clients as well.

 

[squeezer]

So you actually truly believe this horse shit that the only clients that see us are idiots who are newbies and don't know better or idiots who are regulars that won't move on. You.really believe that to be true. The only idiots I get are newbies or old tired regulars???

There is no way there could be another type of client that sees us???? Really????

Give your head a shake.

Young lady, you are not $300 plus an hour, you are in agency rate territory therefore if you suit someone's fancy I'm not calling them fools!

PS, you want to see me shake my head more than twice it will cost you $250

 

[victoriajolie]

I believe that the indies are being judgemental of us and how we choose to spend our money.

miroir reflection argument: you are the one that judge.Honnestly I don't care where you spend your money the long you are happy.Calling people fools because they choose to spend more 250 is judgemental further saying you need to educate the new guys on board is also.
For the most part women that contribute been saying all along..It's okay you can spend that money elsewhere just don't try to make me change my fees because it's not convinient for you.

If I was one bit judgmental that you spend your money on agencies I would spend energy on educating those new girls those sugar baby ones etc.I respect each & everyone for making the choice to have lower rate,to have 40% taken by agencies, Been contempt to get compensate 100$ to spend a night in a mansion sucking your penis.Its their choices.For whatever reasons they are doing it ,if they are okay with their choices I can't call them fools some along the ways realize that it's not convinient for them anymore some are still okay.They are no need to be passive aggressive
You came and chime on a topic where it doesn't seem it apply to you once again as you don't book indies or very few since some of them higher their rates after a while.


All i see on this is the OP been in front of vending machine pop cost 2$ & he has 1.50... Refusing to look for other alternative and is shaking the machine

 

[Jasmine Raine]

Young lady, you are not $300 plus an hour, you are in agency rate territory therefore if you suit someone's fancy I'm not calling them fools!

PS, you want to see me shake my head more than twice it will cost you $250

I am when touring like now.

The only reason I am not in Ontario is because I entertain from home and therefore have less overhead. So I am in a position to pass those savings onto my clients. Lots of ladies don't have those same options.

And who you callin’ young???? Hahahahaha.

 

[OnTheWayOut]

Canadians have no right to complain abpor SP rates. Americans do their average rates are 1000-2000 dollars an hour.

Ummm, no. I regularly hobby in the US and the rates there are very similar to rates here. Unless you are in NYC or LA, which I would not hobby in. The difference is the exchange rate, so essentially the increase is the current exchange rate. In fact, I have found some deals down there that work out less than comparable SP or MA here. Always good to research wherever you go ........

 

[Minormajor]

I am when touring like now.

The only reason I am not in Ontario is because I entertain from home and therefore have less overhead. So I am in a position to pass those savings onto my clients. Lots of ladies don't have those same options.

And who you callin’ young???? Hahahahaha.

Work out of your home? Fuck your brave. I don't care how many shows fans come to or what they buy. No fucking way they are getting in my house lol.