Cost for independent SP rant
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SP calls men cheap because men don't want to spend too much money . What else is new LOL . You have never complained about a price on anything in your life ? Not once . LOL If you have than you must be cheap .Lmao this is hilarious. What business am I losing? You cheap whiny nightmare clients? I'm crying out here over that /s
I purposely make it so I lose the business of guys like you by 1) pricing higher 2) strict screening 3) allowing no reviews 4) voicing ALOUD how much I really don't want your business.
I've just had the most profitable three months b2b in my entire career. I'm not crying or suffering losing business from guys like you. LOL.
Threads like this always make me want to raise my rates. I'll climb myself up to 400/hr soon now. Thanks for that
Cheap whinny nightmare clients . How dare you say that . Who the heck do you think you are ? An over priced whinny SP telling men how to spend their money .
I purposely don't see women like you . Go ahead and raise your rates . I hope that you break the million dollar club . There's nothing like the love of money . Money will bring you all the happiness in the world . When you're feeling lonely and tired you can look at your bank book and feel the rays of sunshine that will brighten up your life . Skies the limit .
And this attitude is the main reason I always see nice young unspoiled agency girls instead of seasoned entitled sex work veterans. We do not want to pay your rates not because we cannot afford them, but because you do not worth that much. There are a few old idiots (regulars) and newby fools who still believe that high price tag means better quality. Hell, even if the agency will increase their price, I'll still prefer to see their girls.
In terms of an economic model, I guess, monopolistic competition model with naive signalling may be the best to describe the current situation. Agencies are similar to each other, they are in perfect competition, and, hence, offer a competitive price. Independent SPs are presumed to be different from the buyer's perspective, and, hence, have some market power. And here is where the "naive signalling" play its role. Independents are not really different, but they market themselves differently (different website style, advertising, social accounts), so, buyers think of them as different. As a result, buyers are thinking that they get "limited edition" and are willing to pay premium for it, while, in fact, they get the same (or even worth) product. Plus, some people still believe that price is a signal of quality (which is true only in large competitive markets). It is the same as paying twice for the hand-made crap when a better quality industrial-made items are selling at regular stores. What is funny is that independent SPs really believe that they are special and justify their prices by their "higher quality", where, in fact, it is just buyer's irrationality during the quality evaluation process that keeps these SPs in business.
Many of the Asian agencies are $300 + an hour as well.
One big factor is that we have many visitors from the US enjoying time with Toronto ladies, and the buying power of the Greenback is being felt with the prices we see.
What's interesting is that I wonder if the overall frequency of most in the hobby goes down with the rate increase at a disproportionate amount to the rate hikes? I see it as a factor of the Law of Diminishing Returns - when the rates go up, the overall spending on services is actually less in a given period of time than if the rates were lower. This means less money is actually being received by the providers overall, even though the prices are higher.
Of course markets may also be cyclical. Eventually the high rates will attract too many providers who wish to get a piece of the action, and the competition could start a price war, and drive prices lower again. Supply and demand!
The reality is, Toronto is still a relative bargain. An hour with an elite independent was $300 in the mid 1990's, and that converts today (according to the Bank of Canada Inflation Calculator) to about $460.
One big factor is that we have many visitors from the US enjoying time with Toronto ladies, and the buying power of the Greenback is being felt with the prices we see.
What's interesting is that I wonder if the overall frequency of most in the hobby goes down with the rate increase at a disproportionate amount to the rate hikes? I see it as a factor of the Law of Diminishing Returns - when the rates go up, the overall spending on services is actually less in a given period of time than if the rates were lower. This means less money is actually being received by the providers overall, even though the prices are higher.
Of course markets may also be cyclical. Eventually the high rates will attract too many providers who wish to get a piece of the action, and the competition could start a price war, and drive prices lower again. Supply and demand!
The reality is, Toronto is still a relative bargain. An hour with an elite independent was $300 in the mid 1990's, and that converts today (according to the Bank of Canada Inflation Calculator) to about $460.
Sounds good for an escort to be able to work both as an
agency girl and an independent. I wish my regular MPA
would be willing to see me as an independent. I won''t
even mind if she charges a higher rate.
Now if only I can figure out which agency girl to
see will go indy later so I can bypass the screening
process I might be tempted to switch from MP visiting
to escorts.
agency girl and an independent. I wish my regular MPA
would be willing to see me as an independent. I won''t
even mind if she charges a higher rate.
Now if only I can figure out which agency girl to
see will go indy later so I can bypass the screening
process I might be tempted to switch from MP visiting
to escorts.
Man you got it wrong. But without going into why some men prefer indies and what we do for these men on the emotional level (yes I said that because believe me that is what a lot of men want and why they book longer engagements with SP) VRS seeing an agency girl or just looking for a purely physical encounter.
What am I going to ask is why is an SP is consider entitled when she says she doesn't want your business but you are not entitled when you say you don't want to see her? You are both saying you don't want to see each other. SPs are fine with it, you men seem to be the ones that have an issue with it?
There is always this looming threat of ”pricing ourselves out of the market” or threat of losing business but if it is not the market we target anyway and we are making the money we need or want to make, how are we being threatened by is so-called lose of your business?
You guys want to try so hard to basically force women into submission. Do this or else. Do it this way or you don't get money. Then you all get mad when we no. Sorry but Fuck that bullshit. It reality is, we are making money. Reality is, the clients we are seeing us do so for different reasons then why you see SPs and reality is, they know what they are paying and who they are paying too.
I'm happy for you that you can find what you are looking for. Why are you not happy for me that I can equally do the same? Why are you not happy for my clients that have found what they are looking for?
Why do you have such an issue about something that really has nothing to do with you?
And PS -- you can’t tell me what I'm worth. Sorry. You can say it is not worth it to you but you, who is as equally a nobody as me, can't tell people what they are worth to the world or to others. Maybe watch that, sounds kind of like an entitled opinion to me.
If you want a bentlry you need to pay up ,i am nowever bothered by the kia asking for bently money.
In this logic "Service and charging less, that is where more of the consumers will go."- you can fuck women all day in the 60-100 $ price range.
70 years old mama san or "no restriction" crackheads are waiting for you.The truth: The complainers just want to ride a Mercedes for the price of a Toyota Yaris. Still, lots of Alan Harper and George Costanza in this business.
Ladies why are you berating these subs for free on the site when you should be charging them for it?
I mentor a few people in business and this is always where I start. Never undervalue yourself. Every employer wants you to, and you simply choose those who treat you as you deserve. In parallel, keep raising your game and your value.
I think some do not like the "reality check" of your statements.
The problem is, it ain't a Toyota Yaris. At the low end it is a depressing soul-sucking experience, often with someone who does not even speak English with a mattress on the floor, a steady stream of clients, and a "handler". Some guys celebrate these experiences and there are places they will literally stand in line to be "next".
The White Knights in here that enjoy being marks and miss the point!
I'll give a few -
Mirage, Toronto Passion, SexyFriends, Hush, Sassy, Select- stick to the $250 ladies and you will have a great time. It is one hour and if you fool yourself into believing the indy provides anything more for the extra money you're a fool.
Off to breakfast. I'm taking the day off to relax from the Raptors win after party today. Around 11:30ish I'll call around to fill an hour or 2 with a wonderful agency lady , 1 or may 2, either together or back to back.
I'll give a few -
Mirage, Toronto Passion, SexyFriends, Hush, Sassy, Select- stick to the $250 ladies and you will have a great time. It is one hour and if you fool yourself into believing the indy provides anything more for the extra money you're a fool.
Off to breakfast. I'm taking the day off to relax from the Raptors win after party today. Around 11:30ish I'll call around to fill an hour or 2 with a wonderful agency lady , 1 or may 2, either together or back to back.
Exactly! That's my point as well. Why, I tell you, why overpay for meh or just OK service when you can get better service at a better rate?
Again, if you have your regulars (I still have a couple, but as I said, some left my list because of sudden and unjustified price increases) and you want to pay whatever they charge you, go ahead! Maybe you like that and it's part of your hobby. We, savvy hobbyists, rather go out and explore the territory in search of new opportunities. Plenty of fish in the ocean, my friends.
You do realize your passive aggressive response only reinforces the point (marks, fools, blah blah blah).
It is just money. Whether escorts or a pair of Saint Crispin's, spend it on what makes you happy. To pretend that anyone who exceeds a certain threshold is somehow being unwise with their money is ridiculous. We can spend the money *precisely* because we are wise with it.
As for what you are going to do with your day, none of us care. This is the point as well. Live your life, and don't judge others.
Squeezer, myself and many others like to take the opportunity in these threads to educate new members and inexperienced players that high priced indies will provide you the same experience as reasonably priced and well reviewed agency women. We don’t give a flying fuck what you do with your money Garrett.
You “guys” say you hate these pricing threads yet you can’t stop reading them and contributing to them.
I find these threads educational and entertaining. In my experience I find that people tend to show their true colors as it were when participating in polarizing topics. A great screening tool for all parties.
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You say you don't give a fuck where guys spend their money but you always have to tell guys where to spend their money. Lmao. Ok bud.
I will answer the Op rant as it was address to us & those seeing indies.I did give the average Joe a break and it backfire at me.
I bought into the recipe of larger audience with more affordable fees.Some in the recent economy had hard time but still want to play.
Rumours started:"The must be something wrong with Victoria why she would lower her rates".Even when I went to agencies for private reasons same Good clients got scare that some rumours were true that my quality of my rendez vous decrease.Been verbally abused by many.Lowballed even more by others.Only 5% saw it as good deal and appreciated it hence reason I kept them on the special
Seem that then the tread got derail o. Screening which mine been completely acceptable .To indies vs agencies.To indies been entitle ..Not sure if it was just a generalization or some feel I was entitle just because I voice an opinion & experience which is only mine .I said that you see an Indy or agencies it's fine it's your choice.
First you don't seem to see indies so this tread wasn't address to you ...Why do you feel compell to voice your opinions and call everyone that don't have the same opinion than you fool & stupid
Are you God ...should I bow? Because only your opinion is the right one?
Why others experiences & opinions are t valuable so you call them names and been condescending
To me some of your last post translate as : Whore you do not have the right to speak up.Shut the fuck up as you get upset over it
While agencies ladies don't have a keyboard to voice their experiences or opinions don't fool yourself.Things that are said can be quite harsher than what you read here(I worked in agencies I know what I speak of)
Anyways we can agree disagree ..You can see agences ladies ,indies with your budget....I think the advice here to the op would be ..Darling move on see girls in your budget.They are plenty
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