Cost for independent SP rant

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OnlyAl

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You know!?!?!?!

If you can't afford a Lamborghini or Ferrari, do you bitch about that or buy a car you can afford?
So I agree that there is a wide range in what clients can afford to pay. And are willing to pay. And there is a wide range in what providers will provide and what they see as what they can be paid.

The other issue covered is.....being offered and thinking you are buying a Lamborgini, a Ferrari or even a Cadillac.....but ending up with a Hugo or an Edsel. The sellers have rights and power....so do the buyers
 

victoriajolie

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But the agencies also have logistical problems to deal with and their rates are usually less.
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Well agencies.. I cannot speak how all work just the ones I have work for.Outcall agencies generally speaking has driver.Girl don't have to spend on taxi

The time they loose to go to your place give them some down times.

Most agencies I worked will make you work like a horse.Revolving door.Back to back appointments.Its on volume .If they can squeeze you 13 appointment in a day they will.Which lead to so many ladies getting burnt out the first year.Rarely girls last very long.Only fews.You DONT get to choose who you see you can only let them know afterward that you don't wish to see that person in future.To be banned from an agency you really have to be very bad .

When you work for agency you don't pay for your ad they do...For them it become less with the amount of ladies they have

Some men prefer visiting agencies ladies they more comfortable with their booker others prefer seeing a girl that manage her own time nothing wrong with neither
 

black booty lover

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+1. It's a business, ladies. And the competition is fierce. You can justify the increases all you want, comparing yourselves to Gucci merchandise, or whatever. The bottom line is, there's a prince point when you exclude yourselves out of the market. And for every overpriced, tired princess, 10 fresh, eager newcomers are getting in the scene. Sorry if it sounds crude, but that's the reality, IMO.

It's possible they'll exclude themselves out of the market, but it's their right to test the market and get max value. If they can find cliental that will pay the rates they're trying to get, all the power to them. For sure it won't be me. I'll post my own ad with the rates I'm willing to pay and watch the emails flood in with willing providers.
 

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Well agencies.. I cannot speak how all work just the ones I have work for.Outcall agencies generally speaking has driver.Girl don't have to spend on taxi

The time they loose to go to your place give them some down times.

Most agencies I worked will make you work like a horse.Revolving door.Back to back appointments.Its on volume .If they can squeeze you 13 appointment in a day they will.Which lead to so many ladies getting burnt out the first year.Rarely girls last very long.Only fews.You DONT get to choose who you see you can only let them know afterward that you don't wish to see that person in future.To be banned from an agency you really have to be very bad .

When you work for agency you don't pay for your ad they do...For them it become less with the amount of ladies they have

Some men prefer visiting agencies ladies they more comfortable with their booker others prefer seeing a girl that manage her own time nothing wrong with neither
As true as everything you say may be true, if it translates into the consumer paying more, it is quite possible that he will look for more economical options. I do not hear very many indies saying, "That makes sense. I understand. I need to do something to become more competitive costwise".

Having said that, if you are content with your current level of busyness and income, my words are mere fodder. If, however, you would like to be doing more in those parameters, that may be one approach to consider as the dynamic of this industry is ever evolving..
 

Insidious Von

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If you think prices are high now, wait until Andrew Scheer becomes Prime Minister.

He's going to go Ezekiel 25:17 on our sorry asses.

 

Jasmine Raine

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+1. It's a business, ladies. And the competition is fierce. You can justify the increases all you want, comparing yourselves to Gucci merchandise, or whatever. The bottom line is, there's a prince point when you exclude yourselves out of the market. And for every overpriced, tired princess, 10 fresh, eager newcomers are getting in the scene. Sorry if it sounds crude, but that's the reality, IMO.
You are assuming you are in OUR target market. You say we will price ourselves out but that is the point. You guys are not listening to what we are saying. Just like there are different types of ladies, agency girls, party girls, oral only girls, there are different types of clients. We all as SPs prefer and want the clients that we work well with and that just may not be you. Most of us are okay with that, why aren't you?

LMAO, like seriously, don't threaten lose of business when for some women it is not your business they are after in the first place.

Just because you have the green doesn't mean you will be seen. Sorry if that sounds crude but that is the reality.
 

thumper18474

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You are assuming you are in OUR target market.

Just because you have the green doesn't mean you will be seen. Sorry if that sounds crude but that is the reality.
OMG that just sums it up right there
and it rhymes too...LOL
SP s come in all shapes and sizes...as do Clients
you can have all the money in the world and still be a douchebag haggle over price..push her boundaries and so on
or you may be that guy that has to sneak aside $20 here and $20 there until you have the coin to see THAT lady you want and be the most courteous,kind,pleasant client the lady has ever had
which client do you think she'd see again....assuming she saw the douchebag at all

and around and around we go
 

Garrett

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There are some basic economic rules....

* Charge more, volume goes down, but if you do it right, earnings can be maintained. You need to hit the price point and advertise well. Who wouldn't work less for the same (or more) money?
* Upscale is expensive: hair, makeup, nails, shoes, clothing, advertising, hotels. Dolly Parton famously said "It costs a lot of money to look this cheap".
* Part of the experience for me is to be with a woman who is "on point". This typically means she values herself, works on her game, and is educated. This all implies $.
* Everyone should know their potential and maximize their income. If you cannot afford it, work on *your* potential and then go get it.
* I learned a long time ago that cheap is always more expensive in the long run.
 

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You are assuming you are in OUR target market. You say we will price ourselves out but that is the point. You guys are not listening to what we are saying. Just like there are different types of ladies, agency girls, party girls, oral only girls, there are different types of clients. We all as SPs prefer and want the clients that we work well with and that just may not be you. Most of us are okay with that, why aren't you?

LMAO, like seriously, don't threaten lose of business when for some women it is not your business they are after in the first place.

Just because you have the green doesn't mean you will be seen. Sorry if that sounds crude but that is the reality.
I knew I would pinch some nerves...Truth hurts, as they say. No hard feelings.
 

Jasmine Raine

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I knew I would pinch some nerves...Truth hurts, as they say. No hard feelings.
Where am I hurting? LOL. Anyone who knows me on this board knows I'm ain't hurtin' with comments like yours.

But with that reply, it seems when your own line on reality is tossed back at ya, you're the one who gets butthurt.

I'm a part time SP at $260/hr so not unreasonable and I'm booked enough for my liking. So it has no affect on me and my business. But as I said, you are not the market of some women and that is the reality you need to deal with. Whether you like it not pumpkin! LOL
 

Stefania

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it is just a fact of life/business. If you can't stay price competitive for a comparable service/product, you will be losing business.
Lmao this is hilarious. What business am I losing? You cheap whiny nightmare clients? I'm crying out here over that /s

I purposely make it so I lose the business of guys like you by 1) pricing higher 2) strict screening 3) allowing no reviews 4) voicing ALOUD how much I really don't want your business.

I've just had the most profitable three months b2b in my entire career. I'm not crying or suffering losing business from guys like you. LOL.

Threads like this always make me want to raise my rates. I'll climb myself up to 400/hr soon now. Thanks for that ;)
 

shack

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Lmao this is hilarious. What business am I losing? You cheap whiny nightmare clients? I'm crying out here over that /s

I purposely make it so I lose the business of guys like you by 1) pricing higher 2) strict screening 3) allowing no reviews 4) voicing ALOUD how much I really don't want your business.

I've just had the most profitable three months b2b in my entire career. I'm not crying or suffering losing business from guys like you. LOL.

Threads like this always make me want to raise my rates. I'll climb myself up to 400/hr soon now. Thanks for that ;)
Careful. Your intellect is showing.
 

jalimon

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Lmao this is hilarious. What business am I losing? You cheap whiny nightmare clients? I'm crying out here over that /s

I purposely make it so I lose the business of guys like you by 1) pricing higher 2) strict screening 3) allowing no reviews 4) voicing ALOUD how much I really don't want your business.

I've just had the most profitable three months b2b in my entire career. I'm not crying or suffering losing business from guys like you. LOL.

Threads like this always make me want to raise my rates. I'll climb myself up to 400/hr soon now. Thanks for that ;)
It's all about offer and demand.

Good for you that you easily find clients that agree with your high price.

The problem is the that if you need to brag about it here and call us cheap guys who do not play along at those prices makes me think you should make as much money as fast as possible because with that kind of attitude.... it wont last long.

Could be wrong. Hope I am.

Cheers,
 

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U.S. rates aren’t quite that bad, Canada-man. I have a rotation of six ladies I see in the U.S. in the $400 - $600 an hour range that are exactly comparable in terms of ages, looks and services to the six ladies I regularly see in Montreal in the $200 - $400 Canadian dollar range. Of course the currency difference makes the gap even wider.

One thing that comes from threads like this, which are common among all review and discussion boards, is the need to keep working. There is one poster on the German FKK thread on internationalsexguide who is on a mission to keep the price of a half hour session that includes BBBJ at the historical rate of 50 euros instead of the 100 euros now commonly demanded by most of the FKK ladies for a session that includes BBBJ. Sometimes they will do an hour BBBJ session for that, but want an upsell if the guy cums twice. This poster posts constantly throughout the day chastising guys who write reviews that they paid a relatively higher price, praising those who don’t, and identifying ladies who have retained the pricing that existed for the last twenty years.

I have the same reaction to him that I do to those people with signs and money buckets at intersections. Get a fucking job. How many hours per week would he need to work to come up with enough extra money to pay 100 euros a session instead of 50?

The German FKK posters seem to include a lot of retired guys who go on their “Ferris Bueller’s Day Off” once a week or so and spend the whole day at the FKK eating the food, socializing with similar guys, and fucking the ladies. I think all of that is wonderful, except for the idea that the whole world owes them no price increases. Can’t they still work part-time after retirement. If their dicks still function, don’t enough other body parts work well enough to do some labor of some type?

Every personal service business I can think of has experienced significant inflation in the last ten years, including sex work. Manufacturing isn’t personal service and it has not experienced wage inflation, and the cost of living index used to adjust government pensions does not factor in the purchase of sex, unfortunately. The personal inflation index of most johns has gone up a lot unfortunately due to the increase in the cost of purchasing sex, aa well as plenty of other personal service businesses including Dentistry (at least in the U.S.)

I haven’t cared for some of the things I see on various message boards. There is a very nice looking provider in Buenos Aires who has a blog on argentinaprivate who is fluent in English and solicits customers who might otherwise have difficulty booking someone who doesn’t speak Spanish. This chick charges $300 US dollars per hour but doesn’t seem to mind being generous with her time. She has gotten nothing but excellent reviews on multiple sites. That is 3-6 times higher than the standard price per hour there, and there is one poster who goes on her argentinaprivate blog and blasts her because of her pricing and she has to delete all of his posts (since it is her advertising blog). Shouldn’t she be rewarded for learning fluent English and doing outcall? I got into a flame war with that poster because I said that more sex workers in South America should learn English to help their sex work careers. He says johns should learn Spanish or not travel there. His motives are pretty clear. The more barriers that can be thrown up to keep higher spending tourists away, the lower the local pricing will be. But how does that help the lady who would benefit in her post sex-work jobs as a result of having learned English?
 

Stefania

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It's all about offer and demand.

Good for you that you easily find clients that agree with your high price.

The problem is the that if you need to brag about it here and call us cheap guys who do not play along at those prices makes me think you should make as much money as fast as possible because with that kind of attitude.... it wont last long.

Could be wrong. Hope I am.

Cheers,
I'm not "bragging" I'm debunking this crap people here are spouting that higher rates means we won't get any business. I have NEVER once felt like I'm missing out on business by having higher standards. As has already been said in this thread, we might lose YOUR business, but many of us don't WANT that business.

I'm not asking you or anyone to pay our rates, if you can't afford the higher rates, you can't afford them. Simply move on and find someone who IS within your budget. But this whole "*I* cant afford you, therefore no one else can and you'll never make money!!" is you thinking that all clients are like you. I get it all the time with screening, clients who whine to me: "*I* won't screen, you should lower your standards and not screen like you do because clients will never do it!" Stop assuming just because YOU'RE reluctant that everyone else is too.

It's absolute bullshit and the whole "youll not make money if you charge more/screen/do anything good for you!" is a scare-tactic mentality that keeps SPs undermining themselves and charging way lower than they deserve. It's self-serving "advice" for the hobbyist, not for the provider.

Not ALL money is good money and there seems to be a misconception that SPs are desperate to accept any business that comes their way and should sit down, shut up and take anyone who throws them the slightest bit of cash their way. Puh-leeease.
 

The "Bone" Ranger

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I love how these rate threads bring out the real persona of some of the over priced SPs. Better screening than a friggin review!!!
 
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