Thanks for your insight, the fact that those things which I consider reprehensible are in your and one other opiner here not a big deal is illuminating, thank you very much for your feedback.
I have learned quite a bit by reading the comments and I would truly encourage everyone to express their true feelings, as I am seeing a tectonic shift in what I always thought was anti-social behaviour, which 20% of the population now see as reasonable behaviour. Again I may be wrong as values change.
Thanks for your insight, the fact that those things which I consider reprehensible are in your and one other opiner here not a big deal is illuminating, thank you very much for your feedback.
I have learned quite a bit by reading the comments and I would truly encourage everyone to express their true feelings, as I am seeing a tectonic shift in what I always thought was reasonable behaviour and what I see as 20% of the population now see as reasonable behaviour which according to my value system is anti-social behaviour
I never said that the "reprehensible" behaviour you are upset about was acceptable to me.using words like these prove your point that boorish behaviour and speech is becoming common. Even someone complaining about the lack of civility uses, and sees nothing wrong with using the words "gaping assholes"! lol
I am simply observing that a discussion lamenting the decline of civility starts off with the words "gaping assholes" is ironic.
I never said that the "reprehensible" behaviour you are upset about was acceptable to me.using words like these prove your point that boorish behaviour and speech is becoming common. Even someone complaining about the lack of civility uses, and sees nothing wrong with using the words "gaping assholes"! lol
I am simply observing that a discussion lamenting the decline of civility starts off with the words "gaping assholes" is ironic.
To me civility is basically the golden rule. Treat others the way you'd want to be treated. If someone spouts off at the mouth with things I think are totally wrong, I'll let them speak, but I would not try to shut them down. I might speak up with counter arguments. Therein lies the difference. Some students at the U of T are taking action against Jordan Peterson by blasting air horns etc whenever he tries to speak to a crowd, so now he's got a youtube channel, that does not allow back and forth questions. I highly doubt these students would want to be treated the same way.
You can say whatever you want, and others may disagree. That's one thing. But you can be the most agreeable person in the world but if you don't hold doors open for people, if you don't excuse yourself for bumping into another because you were looking at your cellphone, if you take up seats for your bag or your feet on the TTC or at Starbucks, basically if you behave rudely, to me that's the meaning of being uncivil.
So for the people who asked me (you know who you are) if they're an asshole, this is your answer.
And by the way, I'm still waiting for someone (you know who you are) to explain how my earlier comment displayed ad hominem and non sequitur.
I agree with malata but you have to get off the beaten path to truly appreciate their situation. My favourite saying after complaining about things like this: "First World Problem". You can let it ruin your day or smile and carry on. It's usually not worth the aggravation!
Your thoughts are very pulchritudinous in so many ways. Speaking of of 'beaten path', check this woman in video - a succession of unfortunate circumstances;
Lots of discourteous people in the world, but as a whole it can't be that bad.... because 99.9% of the things you thought were stupid at the time you don't remember anymore.
Now if someone is spitting in your face, or having their unleashed dog barking and mauling you, sure that's some serious stupidity, but most of the rude things you see (someone butting in line) is something you won't remember the next day. So who really cares?
If someone is dwelling on every daily instance, you got some serious issues. Probably better to be a hermit at home and not leave the house.
I'm sure there's been lots of annoying things that have happened to me waiting in line at the grocery store, but right now I can only remember one instant.... a loud yelling match between a fat lady and some guy. About 2 years ago, I think the guy butted in front of her and she started cursing loud for a good 5 minutes. And even cursed outside. So ok, one instance I remembered and it didn't even involve me.
People now are a lot more sensitive. I don't get why. Maybe it's because the internet, cellphone pics and YT is on 24/7 so it reinforces ethics (and lack of ethics). So if you are sensitive, you will notice and remember these things more.
Before the net, people got their info from TV news, newspapers and magazines. Neither of these will waste time showing footage of let's say a person throwing an ice cream cone in someones face. But with the internet, a video like that would spread to 100 million people. And then what happens is some people will then think every person in the world is tossing cones at people. And then some people will try to copy them and make YT videos of ice cream pranks.
Rude people everywhere, but yeah, I'd say worse in big cities.
I live in suburbia. My local mall is pretty big and gets crowed sometimes. But people still get along.
But I was downtown Toronto on the weekend, in a big mall and people in general were much ruder.
Nobody holds a door, people will walk right into you, and complain about every line up to pay at a cashier.
Where I'm from, people in a line up Talk To each other.
I don't like downtown for more reasons than just traffic.
Downtown is the worst. It's every pedestrian, car and bike courier for themselves.
In the burbs, people and cars typically follow the rules and stoplights.
Downtown, cars are always whizzing around, getting caught at a red/yellow light in the middle of an intersection, and walkers don't give a shit either. A car can be sticking out a bit, so you'd think they would walk behind it so it can inch up and not clog the st. Instead, they walk in front of it so the car is stuck where it is.
And with so many crosswalks, intersections and busyness, you'd think walkers would be more cautious and follow stoplights so they don't get run over by taxis or streetcars. Instead, it's a big mass of people strolling across and not giving a shit that the other side of the road got green, people running across Yonge st and such. You don't really see this in the burbs. And in the burbs, it's less busy and blocks are probably double in size, so you'd think people would be more risky running across Dundas or Eglinton, but they don't. They wait to cross as per the stoplight signals.
Assholes at Starbucks who require an extra chair for their bags/jackets/laptops when the place is busy and they see people walking around looking for a seat.
Same entitled losers who usually buy 1 drink and sit there for hours
If only they actually purchased something. What I don't get is the increasingly common sight of people who will walk in to any coffee shop like it is their own personal living room, plop down their laptop, pull out snacks and lunch from home, and then proceed to sit there for hours - all without the slightest awareness that those goddam seats are for paying customers, and staff either don't want or don't care to intervene.
Tend to agree. There is a whole host of behaviours discussed here, once uniformly considered 'discourteous', that are now just accepted and/or tolerated by the bulk of us.
Is it just me or have you noticed that 20% of all people are just gaping assholes?
All this happened yesterday...A couple didn't leash their dog & look atme as being the jerk when I told them to get their stray dog of my patio, an able bodied woman quickly darted and contorted her body through a closing door and didnt give it a slight courtesy nudge so it almost slammed in my face, a 300c sped through my residential streets at 80 km/h , a well built lady was riding her bike on sidewalks with her helmet on a street with little traffic which has a bike lane. I wont even mention what I saw on the Subway, feet and legs on seats, standing in the doors and luckily it was Sunday so elderly people actually got a seat.
Am I one if the very few people who are bothered by the increasing boorish and loutish behaviour of people? It used to be the uneducated and the lower class of people that used to behave like this; now it seems that professionals and educated people are behaving the same way as well.
Amy ideas whats driving this? Has anyone else noted this as well or am I the only one, or am I being overly sensitive?
The number of people that don't hold doors is amazing. I would say more often it's women than men who can't be bothered.
I do consider it asshole behavior when able bodied people get on an elevator and only go up 2-3 floors. They aren't carrying anything but decided they had to take the elevator so it stops for them to get on and 2 floors later they get off.
I should add this to the truck driving thread but was on the highway yesterday and one asshole heads straight for the left lane and cruises at a lovely 105. A fellow in the middle lane pulls up and decides to go the same speed too for a few seconds before eventually passing him. I wish cops would pull over these assholes!
Playing sports in the summer and there's always a couple of assholes who either ride their motorcycles or atv's or something in the parking lot and gun their engines.
