I think your understanding of the law if a bit shakey (pardon the pun), but we agree on one thing - he is a piece of shit! In fact, his whole family is!kanjoosm said:
Canada welcomes terroists with open arms
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A "piece of shit" is relative to perspective. I think that prejudicial people who would overly generalize [read stereotype] and prejudge are pieces of shit. So, who would that have kept out of our fine country? I am not trying to be inflammatory, but rather just make a point. My comment is rhetorical.kanjoosm said:
The Khadrs case is a very specific case. And thus we should unemotionally hear all the facts and have qualified jurists try this case, and not mob mentality.
Well Lets take you on Buddy. When I came to Canada, it was based on a seminar that the Canadian High Commission conducted requesting Chartered Accountants to apply for Canadian Immigration and we were granted Visas in 5 months.
Since I have been here I have paid an average amount of $25,000 per year in taxes. Surprised?
And In the short time I have been here from my first Job as An Accounting Clerk I have risen to be a CFO of a public company.
So does that clarify what I mean by quality Immigrants. No one in my family has ever been on Dole and God willing will never be.
So Mr. TomPeepin what more do you want to know.
Since I have been here I have paid an average amount of $25,000 per year in taxes. Surprised?
And In the short time I have been here from my first Job as An Accounting Clerk I have risen to be a CFO of a public company.
So does that clarify what I mean by quality Immigrants. No one in my family has ever been on Dole and God willing will never be.
So Mr. TomPeepin what more do you want to know.
I did not want to know anything about your specific case. I just wanted to make a point as I clearly stated. I was being rhetorical. Look the word up.kanjoosm said:
Again rhetorically, in 1938-1945 Jews were, some said: "grabage of the world That no other country wants." And not all of these Jews were CFOs.
I do not refer to any particulat community. When I say garbage of the world I mena mostly refugees who ultimately turn out to be terrorists and increase crime in this country. I also mean those possible immigrants that have no educational qualifications that would benefit the country. All I think is we should have a system that allows immigrants into the country on a probation of 1 year(not eligible for any social benefits). If they prove to have found work and are contributing to society instead of being parasites, then a 3 year Visa (partly eligible for some social benefits) should be granted and only after they have consistyently found to be worthy of our Great Country's residence than a residence staus should be granted. Of course if they commit a crime within before they earn their citizenship they must immediately deported back to their country of origin.
So mr. Peepin, Stop assuming what one means to say. I think our society should always welcome all religions and types with open arms the only criteria for filtering should be their ability to contribute to the Canadian society and economy.
So mr. Peepin, Stop assuming what one means to say. I think our society should always welcome all religions and types with open arms the only criteria for filtering should be their ability to contribute to the Canadian society and economy.
Or not be "garbage", as you say. Assume? No assumption was necessary. You made a blanket statement. If you did not mean to paint everyone with such broad-brush strokes then you should have said what you meant. Again I used examples for rhetorical effect. Have you looked the word up yet?kanjoosm said:
Again this is a relatively broad statement. If I were to probe enough, here again, I am sure that you would have exceptions and then say that I was making assumptions as to what your statement meant. And as to "contribute to the Canadian society" who is to judge that? You? You seem extremely focused on ecconomic contributions, as shown by your statement below.kanjoosm said:
Well thank god you are not in charge of immigration is all I can say.kanjoosm said:
This is probably the only thing that we will be able to agree on. However, if the crime is great enough they should have to pay the penalty before deportation.kanjoosm said:
Australia has an interesting policy
They score applicants on Age (younger is better), Skills (more is better) and English Language skills. You combine the scores and then they let the top X into the country (X being driven by the number of people they want).
I'm sure this is an oversimplification but directionally correct. I remember being 35, maxing out English and Skills and not having enough points. If you're from the Common Wealth you get in free.
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They score applicants on Age (younger is better), Skills (more is better) and English Language skills. You combine the scores and then they let the top X into the country (X being driven by the number of people they want).
I'm sure this is an oversimplification but directionally correct. I remember being 35, maxing out English and Skills and not having enough points. If you're from the Common Wealth you get in free.
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Re: Australia has an interesting policy
That is how the system is supposed to work. How do you explain the thousands of immigrants who have no education and can barely speak a word of english landing up here. Please explain that to me.
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That is how the system is supposed to work. How do you explain the thousands of immigrants who have no education and can barely speak a word of english landing up here. Please explain that to me.
Again this is a relatively broad statement. If I were to probe enough, here again, I am sure that you would have exceptions and then say that I was making assumptions as to what your statement meant. And as to "contribute to the Canadian society" who is to judge that? You? You seem extremely focused on ecconomic contributions, as shown by your statement below.
YES ECONOMIC CONTRIBUTIONS ARE THE ONES THAT COUNT WHAT ELSE CAN THEY BRING TO THE SOCIETY.
Well thank god you are not in charge of immigration is all I can say.
YES THANK GOD FOR ALL THOSE PARASITES THAT I DONT RUN IMMIGRATION. IF I DID CANADA MIGHT BE A MUCH BETTER PLACE TO LIVE IN FOR THOSE WHO WORK HARD AND WANT A HONEST LIFE WITH LESS CRIME.
This is probably the only thing that we will be able to agree on. However, if the crime is great enough they should have to pay the penalty before deportation. [/B][/QUOTE]
AT LEAST WE AGREE ON ONE THING. THAT'S ENOUGH BY ITSELF TO CELEBRATE. MOST DISCUSSIONS ARE MEANT TO BE SO THAT WE DONT TOTALLY AGREE. DISAGREEMENST AND DIFFERENCES OF OPINION ARE THE ESSENCE OF DEMOCRACY.
YES ECONOMIC CONTRIBUTIONS ARE THE ONES THAT COUNT WHAT ELSE CAN THEY BRING TO THE SOCIETY.
Well thank god you are not in charge of immigration is all I can say.
YES THANK GOD FOR ALL THOSE PARASITES THAT I DONT RUN IMMIGRATION. IF I DID CANADA MIGHT BE A MUCH BETTER PLACE TO LIVE IN FOR THOSE WHO WORK HARD AND WANT A HONEST LIFE WITH LESS CRIME.
This is probably the only thing that we will be able to agree on. However, if the crime is great enough they should have to pay the penalty before deportation. [/B][/QUOTE]
AT LEAST WE AGREE ON ONE THING. THAT'S ENOUGH BY ITSELF TO CELEBRATE. MOST DISCUSSIONS ARE MEANT TO BE SO THAT WE DONT TOTALLY AGREE. DISAGREEMENST AND DIFFERENCES OF OPINION ARE THE ESSENCE OF DEMOCRACY.
So sad ... and loud too! Too bad you can't get what you wish for and have to live in that society too.kanjoosm said:
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Ah, you're not Australia? Also, there are commonwealth countries that send you people who probably are not in the top 10%. I stil can't figure out how people "land" in Canada. Unless there is mass illegal imigration from the US (I doubt it) how do they get there in the first place? It's not like Canada is centrally located next to a poor country.kanjoosm said:
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I have a better idea (tongue firmly in cheek). Because your social benefits are so good (free medical, almost free higher education) and thus expensive you should test everyone in the country (no matter where they were born) to see if they are adding value. If not kick em out, a free loading white Canadian hokey fan is no more help to you than a free loading brown Thai kickboxing fan. With all those social benefits you should be able to succeed in such a rich country, kick out the deadbeats - no matter what color they are.kanjoosm said:
Tongue now out of cheek.
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According to kanjoosm's logic you are exactly right! I think that we have more home grown "parasites" than we import! heheheonthebottom said:
... and everyone who did not pay their full share, if they get sick ... like have cancer or something ... well, kick them the fuck out too. It is all about equality in financial contributions, thus net "economic contribution"!
Hey, we're on to something here. The bottom 70% of Americans don't pay their fair share of income taxes, maybe we give em 2 years and if they can't meet the average we send em to Mexico (I think we owe them 6-8 million people at the moment) and extend offers to Indian programmers? What do you think?tompeepin said:
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Actually, I framed the discussion with a fact....these people are terrorists by their own admission and the Canadian Government did welcome them with open arms. I personally give the members of this board more credit than to think of them as a lynch mob although a few of the responses are somewhat over the top.fernie said:
I often find that the "lynch mob" mentality as you put it comes from the people that claim to be the tolorant folks who champion the more liberal causes. Those seem to be the ones that oft times are the first to vilify, demonize and label anyone that questions their agendas.
As I said in my earlier post, I would have made the same post if the individuals in question had been of any race or religion. The title of the post would have been the same as well. However, I find that too often people look for racism when it isn't necessarily there in order to not ask the hard questions about their unconditional support of all things socialist
And yes as others already stated, they are citizens so enough with the deporting talk and refugee arguments!
The Oklahoma bomber (McVeigh?) IS a terriorist and a US Citizen. They didn't deport his ass (well maybe they did... they deported his ass off the land of the living!)
Should they be deported? NO. Am I embarassed that they are Canadians? YES. If they are found guilty of an crime here then they should pay but right now they haven't been found guilty yet of anything
The Oklahoma bomber (McVeigh?) IS a terriorist and a US Citizen. They didn't deport his ass (well maybe they did... they deported his ass off the land of the living!)
Should they be deported? NO. Am I embarassed that they are Canadians? YES. If they are found guilty of an crime here then they should pay but right now they haven't been found guilty yet of anything
