The one son is much older - somewhere in his late teens - 20's.
I'll pay for the greyhound trip up north for them!
I'll pay for the greyhound trip up north for them!
Canada welcomes terroists with open arms
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HowardHughes said:
So you are saying they are already guilty without a trial given your statement
Also deport them to where, they are Canadian Citizens, If they are found guilty they go to jail in Canada
WTF? Have you ever heard of conscientious objectors? Conscientious objectors = not brave? Think again, it takes lots of guts to stand up against society. There were contentious objectors in Germany in 1933-1945, were they not brave?Kathleen said:
It's "what does this HAVE to do with this thread" geez. (it's a sad day when I'm annoyed by grammar)holden said:
Tall tree and a short rope if you ask me. The US military is an all-volunteer professional military that need not ask if the solders agree with the mission they are assigned only if they can accomplish it. Hang em all.
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I've just checked - the boy in question (Karim - the one shot by the Pakistanis) is 14.HowardHughes said:
Abdurahman, the one who has been back in Canada for several months, is 21. He was apprehended by the Americans in Afghanistan, but they opted to release him. He claims to reject al-Qaida and terrorism.
Omar, the one who is accused of killing a US soldier, is 17. He is still in Guantanamo Bay.
The brave one's stay home and take their punishment, the cowards run North. And what are you doing as part of the 82nd Airborne if you are a conscientious objector - I can see it if you are drafted (Vietnam) but to volunteer for the Army and then volunteer for special operations training, and then object? Would you not expect to be carrying out all sorts of special missions as part of an elite unit, the justification of which you don't need to bother yourself with.tompeepin said:
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I'm sure the US would sponsor a family reunion if the Canadian government requested it!The Shake said:
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I completely agree with OTB. This is not the same as Vietnam or other wars in which there was a draft. These people are shameful cowards, not conscientious objectors.onthebottom said:
I basically agree with you. He should have been worldly wise and he should have known that there was no room for his conscience's right or wrong values but rather that only US interests as decided by the Bush administration were involved. But to play the devil's advocate; the young dumb shit might have been idealistic and thought that his country only ever did "the right thing" based on all the propaganda. Then when he realized that he would have to fight for "political" reasons, he suddenly became "enlightened".onthebottom said:
That's fine, but then have the balls to stand up for your beliefs and face court martial.tompeepin said:Then when he realized that he would have to fight for "political" reasons, he suddenly became "enlightened".
"young dumb shit"'s don't decide when to use the military, or get to pick their fights. If you sign up, you do what you are told or stand in front of the wall. I've never known anyone in the military that didn't understand that.tompeepin said:I basically agree with you. He should have been worldly wise and he should have known that there was no room for his conscience's right or wrong values but rather that only US interests as decided by the Bush administration were involved. But to play the devil's advocate; the young dumb shit might have been idealistic and thought that his country only ever did "the right thing" based on all the propaganda. Then when he realized that he would have to fight for "political" reasons, he suddenly became "enlightened".
Line em up, knock em down.
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A Question for Kathleen et al
Let's flip this around.
The government of Canada, right or wrong, made a very noisy decision not to participate in the invasion of Iraq. Indeed, many Canadians (including some on this board) view the American invasion and occupation of Iraq as immoral and illegal.
As was the case with Vietnam, there are a small number of Canadian citizens who, for various reasons, have joined the US military and are serving in Iraq (I'm not referring to members of the Canadian military who are on exchange missions).
If/when these soldiers come back to Canada, should they be refused entry and/or stripped of their citizenship?
Let's flip this around.
The government of Canada, right or wrong, made a very noisy decision not to participate in the invasion of Iraq. Indeed, many Canadians (including some on this board) view the American invasion and occupation of Iraq as immoral and illegal.
As was the case with Vietnam, there are a small number of Canadian citizens who, for various reasons, have joined the US military and are serving in Iraq (I'm not referring to members of the Canadian military who are on exchange missions).
If/when these soldiers come back to Canada, should they be refused entry and/or stripped of their citizenship?
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Have they broken a law? Have they fought against Canada? Have they assisted an outlaw organization? I think you will find you answer in these questions.The Shake said:
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Have the Khadrs?onthebottom said:
Have the Khadrs?
That's a criminal issue. Do we strip the citizenship of Hell's Angels? No. We charge them, try them, and punish them.
You make an excellent case for the "I vas juist folloving O'das" defence!onthebottom said:
You cannot have it both ways.
You don't need to have it both ways; you can declare an order illegal (gas those Jews comes to mind) and take you chances with a court marshal (what any self respecting solder would do if given an illegal order). If the order is legal, you follow it. It's a very simple process for those "young dumb shits".tompeepin said:
What you don't do is run to Canada, then they shoot you.
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Redneck!hehehe said:
But isn’t your generalization a bit of a stretch?
Shouldn't Canada have taken all the Jewish refugees to come it's way in 1933-1945, even if they would not have "contributed to the economy"? Isn't it a little about giving back? I would say that generally refugees "eventually" are integrated into the economy.
One could point to a vibrant Cuban community in Miami as an example. Canada is not an easy place to get to, I wouldn't think you'd have people washing up on shore or walking across a river. If you had better Collages people would come for the school and stay for the job, works down here, 50% of PhD students in the US are from another country.tompeepin said:Redneck!
But isn’t your generalization a bit of a stretch?
Shouldn't Canada have taken all the Jewish refugees to come it's way in 1933-1945, even if they would not have "contributed to the economy"? Isn't a little about giving back. I would say that generally refugees "eventually" are integrated into the economy.
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Gasp!hehehe said:
Horror!
A rich country opens its arms to people fleeing persecution or hardship. How terrible.
1) There is a difference between an immigrant and a refugee, so stop using the terms interchangeably. Canada accepts between 200,000 - 250,000 immigrants per year, of which approximately 10% (20,000 - 30,000) are refugees.
2) Your comment about welfare is not only ignorant, its factually incorrect. More than 50% of Canada's immigrants fall under the "skilled worker" class, meaning that they are filling high demand/low supply jobs. The next largest group are family sponsored immigrants, who I do not believe are any more likely to claim welfare than people born in Canada. Refugees may have higher levels of welfare dependency, but that would be because of restrictions we place on their employment eligibility.
We're getting the kind of immigrants we need, we're just not giving them the tools they require to succeed (which you've basically said in your own way).
Sigh. That's a nice stereotype, but its not true. Less than half of refugee claimants simply show up and declare their status - the majority are "government sponsored", which means they've made an external application for refugee status that has been reviewed and accepted by our government before they arrive.
Is your problem with immigrants or refugees? What statistics do you have to back up your claims that immigrants to Canada commit more crimes than those born here?
Funny, I didn't realize that they had even made arrests in those cases, let alone tried and convicted the perpetrators. Oh wait, maybe that's because they haven't. You've just decided, based on your own bigoted POV, that immigrants did it. Nice.
If it walks like a duck...
How is it self-destructing and how is that the fault of immigrants and/or refugees? By the way, are you foaming at the mouth?
Who are the parasites?
