But Is It Genocide?

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Netanyahu and the IDF are lead by war criminals wanted by the ICC for 'extermination' while leading a country that has refused to abide by 66 UN resolutions and is attacking 5 other countries. All while killing more people to to take their homes based on the race of their victims.

 

K Douglas

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Even with the right wing media going apeshit to defend Israel, americans and Canadians know what is going on.

Ah the good old 'bandwagon' argument. It must be true if the majority of people think so. A popular tool of the left.
 

K Douglas

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Why should Palestinians offer anything?
The UN ordered Israel to end the occupation and pay restitution.

What could Palestinians possibly owe Israel?
The right to exist for starters.
 

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Ah the good old 'bandwagon' argument. It must be true if the majority of people think so. A popular tool of the left.
Add it to the list of things that show you are standing on the wrong side of history.
The views of Canadians
The law
The human rights reports
The news reports
The Israeli reports
Protests from moral Jews

There is literally nothing but Israeli propaganda on your 'side' now.

 

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Since The Genocide Has Been Ongoing For 675 Days, Bibi Says "No Genocide".

Netanyahu: ‘If we wanted to commit genocide, it would have taken exactly one afternoon’
PM falsely claims that Israel never halted entry of aid into Gaza, a policy his office announced in March and reversed 11 weeks later
By ToI StaffToday, 11:45 am
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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gives a press conference in Jerusalem on August 10, 2025.  (Photo by ABIR SULTAN / POOL / AFP)
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gives a press conference in Jerusalem on August 10, 2025. (Photo by ABIR SULTAN / POOL / AFP)
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejected the accusation that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, telling Israeli reporters on Sunday night, “If we had wanted to commit genocide, it would have taken exactly one afternoon.”
Netanyahu made the remark near the end of back-to-back press conferences he held with foreign and Israeli journalists, respectively, in which he also denied again that Israel has pursued a policy of starvation in the enclave.
Speaking to Israeli media, he falsely claimed that Israel had never halted all humanitarian aid to Gaza, even though his government had enacted that policy earlier this year.






































































Netanyahu made the two comments while defending his government’s recent decision to launch a major offensive in Gaza City. He said the plan will lead to Hamas’s defeat, but it has come under a tidal wave of domestic and international backlash.
Israel also faced global censure recently for widespread reports of starvation and deaths from malnutrition in the Strip. Netanyahu has repeatedly denied that Gaza is undergoing starvation or that Israel is seeking to create a humanitarian crisis there. Israel has also consistently and vehemently denied the charge — made by pro-Palestinian activists, some left-wing Israeli organizations and a number of countries — that it is committing genocide in Gaza, saying it makes efforts to avoid killing civilians whom Hamas puts in harm’s way.
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“There is no starvation. There hasn’t been starvation. There was a shortage. And certainly, there was no policy of starvation,” Netanyahu said at the press conference. “If we had wanted starvation, if that had been our policy, 2 million Gazans wouldn’t be living today after 20 months.”
He continued, “It’s the same with genocide — if we had wanted to commit genocide, it would have taken exactly one afternoon.”

Palestinians rush to collect humanitarian aid airdropped by parachutes into Gaza City, northern Gaza Strip, August 7, 2025. (AP Photo/Jehad Alshrafi)
Earlier in the press conference, Netanyahu defended Israel’s approach to humanitarian aid in the Strip, which he said is now being overhauled. In recent weeks, Hamas-run local officials, in addition to international agencies and aid groups, have documented a rising number of deaths from starvation in Gaza.
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Israel has disputed such claims, and blames Hamas for stealing aid and the United Nations for failing to distribute it. But facing international condemnation, Israel has put several measures in place to increase the flow of supplies.
At the press conference, Netanyahu was asked whether his decision earlier this year to halt humanitarian aid was a failed strategy to defeat Hamas.
“First of all, we need to understand what actually happened,” he answered. “We never said we were stopping all entry of humanitarian aid. What we said was that, alongside halting the trucks that Hamas was seizing — taking the vast majority of their contents for itself, then selling the leftovers at extortionate prices to the Palestinian population… we would stop this.”
In fact, on March 2, the premier’s office announced, “Prime Minister Netanyahu has decided that, as of this morning, all entry of goods and supplies into the Gaza Strip will cease.” He portrayed it as a way to stanch a source of Hamas profits and pressure the terror group into concessions.

Palestinians bring back aid parcels they managed to procure as they walk on a coastal path west of Beit Lahia on July 29, 2025, after aid trucks entered the Gaza Strip from the northern Zikim border crossing. (Omar AL-QATTAA / AFP)
He reversed the policy 11 weeks later, after heavy pressure from international allies, and backed the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, an American-led initiative to give aid directly to civilians from four distribution points while bypassing Hamas and the UN. But the GHF drew harsh criticism because of near-daily killings near its aid sites and the difficulty people faced in accessing them.
On Sunday, Netanyahu said that approach had failed and “we didn’t have to get into this situation.”
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“We didn’t want to create starvation here — on the contrary, we wanted to bypass Hamas’s looting and theft,” he said of the GHF. “Only it didn’t work as we wanted, it didn’t succeed because there weren’t enough points, etc., so we learned our lesson. We stopped it.”

Displaced Palestinians carry food parcels and supplies from a Gaza Humanitarian Foundation aid distribution point along the Netzarim Corridor in the central Gaza Strip, August 4, 2025. (Ali Hassan/Flash90)
He added, “Now, we’re acting differently. Aid is entering, we’re doing all we can so most of it won’t fall into Hamas’s hands, and in parallel, we’re really increasing the number of distribution points, the secure corridors, and the airdrops, airdrops that generally don’t reach Hamas.”
The international airdrops of aid have faced criticism for endangering people as they fall to the ground. Aid groups have said more supplies are needed to end widespread malnutrition in the Strip. Netanyahu has said aid would increase as part of the Gaza City takeover plan.
 

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Since The Genocide Has Been Ongoing For 675 Days, Bibi Says "No Genocide".

Netanyahu: ‘If we wanted to commit genocide, it would have taken exactly one afternoon’
PM falsely claims that Israel never halted entry of aid into Gaza, a policy his office announced in March and reversed 11 weeks later
By ToI StaffToday, 11:45 am
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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gives a press conference in Jerusalem on August 10, 2025.  (Photo by ABIR SULTAN / POOL / AFP)
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gives a press conference in Jerusalem on August 10, 2025. (Photo by ABIR SULTAN / POOL / AFP)
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejected the accusation that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, telling Israeli reporters on Sunday night, “If we had wanted to commit genocide, it would have taken exactly one afternoon.”
Netanyahu made the remark near the end of back-to-back press conferences he held with foreign and Israeli journalists, respectively, in which he also denied again that Israel has pursued a policy of starvation in the enclave.
Speaking to Israeli media, he falsely claimed that Israel had never halted all humanitarian aid to Gaza, even though his government had enacted that policy earlier this year.






































































Netanyahu made the two comments while defending his government’s recent decision to launch a major offensive in Gaza City. He said the plan will lead to Hamas’s defeat, but it has come under a tidal wave of domestic and international backlash.
Israel also faced global censure recently for widespread reports of starvation and deaths from malnutrition in the Strip. Netanyahu has repeatedly denied that Gaza is undergoing starvation or that Israel is seeking to create a humanitarian crisis there. Israel has also consistently and vehemently denied the charge — made by pro-Palestinian activists, some left-wing Israeli organizations and a number of countries — that it is committing genocide in Gaza, saying it makes efforts to avoid killing civilians whom Hamas puts in harm’s way.
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“There is no starvation. There hasn’t been starvation. There was a shortage. And certainly, there was no policy of starvation,” Netanyahu said at the press conference. “If we had wanted starvation, if that had been our policy, 2 million Gazans wouldn’t be living today after 20 months.”
He continued, “It’s the same with genocide — if we had wanted to commit genocide, it would have taken exactly one afternoon.”

Palestinians rush to collect humanitarian aid airdropped by parachutes into Gaza City, northern Gaza Strip, August 7, 2025. (AP Photo/Jehad Alshrafi)
Earlier in the press conference, Netanyahu defended Israel’s approach to humanitarian aid in the Strip, which he said is now being overhauled. In recent weeks, Hamas-run local officials, in addition to international agencies and aid groups, have documented a rising number of deaths from starvation in Gaza.
Advertisement

Israel has disputed such claims, and blames Hamas for stealing aid and the United Nations for failing to distribute it. But facing international condemnation, Israel has put several measures in place to increase the flow of supplies.
At the press conference, Netanyahu was asked whether his decision earlier this year to halt humanitarian aid was a failed strategy to defeat Hamas.
“First of all, we need to understand what actually happened,” he answered. “We never said we were stopping all entry of humanitarian aid. What we said was that, alongside halting the trucks that Hamas was seizing — taking the vast majority of their contents for itself, then selling the leftovers at extortionate prices to the Palestinian population… we would stop this.”
In fact, on March 2, the premier’s office announced, “Prime Minister Netanyahu has decided that, as of this morning, all entry of goods and supplies into the Gaza Strip will cease.” He portrayed it as a way to stanch a source of Hamas profits and pressure the terror group into concessions.

Palestinians bring back aid parcels they managed to procure as they walk on a coastal path west of Beit Lahia on July 29, 2025, after aid trucks entered the Gaza Strip from the northern Zikim border crossing. (Omar AL-QATTAA / AFP)
He reversed the policy 11 weeks later, after heavy pressure from international allies, and backed the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, an American-led initiative to give aid directly to civilians from four distribution points while bypassing Hamas and the UN. But the GHF drew harsh criticism because of near-daily killings near its aid sites and the difficulty people faced in accessing them.
On Sunday, Netanyahu said that approach had failed and “we didn’t have to get into this situation.”
Advertisement

“We didn’t want to create starvation here — on the contrary, we wanted to bypass Hamas’s looting and theft,” he said of the GHF. “Only it didn’t work as we wanted, it didn’t succeed because there weren’t enough points, etc., so we learned our lesson. We stopped it.”

Displaced Palestinians carry food parcels and supplies from a Gaza Humanitarian Foundation aid distribution point along the Netzarim Corridor in the central Gaza Strip, August 4, 2025. (Ali Hassan/Flash90)
He added, “Now, we’re acting differently. Aid is entering, we’re doing all we can so most of it won’t fall into Hamas’s hands, and in parallel, we’re really increasing the number of distribution points, the secure corridors, and the airdrops, airdrops that generally don’t reach Hamas.”
The international airdrops of aid have faced criticism for endangering people as they fall to the ground. Aid groups have said more supplies are needed to end widespread malnutrition in the Strip. Netanyahu has said aid would increase as part of the Gaza City takeover plan.
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No it's not genocide.

How the ‘Blood Libel’ Paradox Keeps the West Silent on Israel’s Genocide
The more depraved Israel’s actions, the more antisemitic it is to point out the truth. The painful reality is that, through Israel, the West can dress up boilerplate colonialism as a 'Jewish' project
by Jonathan Cook | Aug 12, 2025 | 0 Comments
There’s a dangerous paradox that helps to dissuade people, especially public figures, from speaking up even as Israel’s genocide in Gaza grows more horrifying by the day. Let us call it the “blood libel” paradox.
It works like this. In Medieval times, Jews were accused of murdering non-Jews, particularly children, to use their blood in the performance of religious rituals. Every time a Jew is accused of murdering a non-Jew, so the thinking goes, this endangers Jews by fuelling the very kind of antisemitism that ultimately led to the gas chambers of Auschwitz.
Responsible people, or at least those with a reputation to protect, therefore avoid making any statements that might contribute to the impression that Jews – or in this case, the soldiers of the Jewish state of Israel – are killing non-Jews.
If such criticisms are made, they must be carefully couched by western politicians, the media and public figures in language that makes the killing of non-Jews – in this case, Muslim and Christian Palestinians – appear reasonable.
Israel is simply “defending itself” in killing and maiming 100,000s of civilians in Gaza after Hamas’ one-day attack on 7 October 2023.
The enclave’s masses of dead innocents are just the unfortunate price paid to secure the “return of Israeli hostages” held by Hamas.
Israel’s active, months-long starvation of Gaza’s children is a “humanitarian crisis”, not a crime against humanity.
Anyone who dissents from this narrative is denounced as an antisemite, whether they be millions of ordinary people; every respected human rights organisation in the world, including the Israeli group B’Tselem; the World Health Organisation; the International Criminal Court; genocide scholars like Omer Bartov, himself an Israeli; and so on.
It is the perfect, self-reinforcing loop, one entirely divorced from the reality being live-streamed to us daily.
Aid death traps
The outrageous consequences of the “blood libel” paradox were highlighted a year into Israel’s genocide in Gaza by the Jewish writer Howard Jacobson.
Writing in the Observer newspaper, he accused the western media of a “blood libel” for reporting the fact that children were dying in enormous numbers in Gaza – even though that same media had been keen to minimise the death toll; implicitly questioned its truthfulness by attributing the number to the “Hamas-run Gaza health ministry”; and constantly rationalised the killings as part of Israeli military operations to “defeat Hamas”.
Jacobson, like other fervent apologists for genocide, wanted more. He demanded the media avert its eyes from the slaughter entirely.
Since then, Israel’s crimes against the people of Gaza have become ever more shocking, hard though that was to imagine nearly a year ago.
Israel has stopped food from reaching Gaza except through a mercenary force it has set up with the US, misnamed the “Gaza Humanitarian Foundation”.

Its job, as whistleblowing Israeli soldiers have told us, is to lure the ablest from among the starving masses – mainly young Palestinian men – into death traps with the promise of food. Once there, Israel carries out what Doctors without Borders calls “orchestrated killing” by shooting at them.
Israel has armed and hired as its Gaza goons a criminal gang under the leadership of ISIS supporter Yasser Abu Shabab. Their job has been to loot aid trucks that try to operate outside the GHF set-up and steal aid from ordinary people, sowing further terror and chaos and allowing Israel to blame Hamas for Gaza’s starvation.
Far-right Israelis – that is, the people who elected the Netanyahu government – have been filmed stopping aid trucks trying to transport from Jordan food supposed to reach Gaza’s people, even as children are regularly dying from malnutrition.
And eminent western doctors such as Nick Maynard are returning from Gaza with the same horror stories: that they see Israeli soldiers using Palestinian children as target practice. One day the gunshot wounds in the children arriving at hospital are clustered in the head. The next day in the chest. The next day in the abdomen. The next day in the genitals.
The “blood libel” paradox means that Israel can act with ever more brazen depravity – of the kind documented above – and western leaders and media continue to ignore, or downplay, or rationalise these horrors.
It is the ultimate “get out of jail” card.
Phoney ‘fog of war’
There are several points to be made about why this is such a dangerous response to the Gaza genocide – but one, equally, that is all too useful for western capitals.
First, and most obviously. Israel is not “the Jews”. It is a state. Not just that, but it was founded as a very specific kind of state: one that is the last exemplar of a long and very ignoble tradition of western-sponsored settler-colonialism.
Settler-colonialism seeks to replace a native population with western-aligned immigrants through extreme ethnic-based violence. Think the United States, Canada, Australia and South Africa. They all committed appalling crimes against their indigenous populations.
Israel’s genocide of the Palestinians is not unusual. It is the all-too-familiar, logical consequence of a racist colonial replacement ideology. We have been here many times before in modern history. If it wasn’t a blood libel in those earlier cases – but rather an established historical fact – why should Israel’s genocide be viewed any differently?
Second, this genocide is not Israel’s. It is the West’s. This is utterly a western co-production. Israel could have done none of the destruction of Gaza, the mass slaughter, the starvation of the population, without western assistance every step of the way.
It has been US and German bombs dropped on Gaza. It is British spy flights over Gaza from RAF base Akrotiri on Cyprus that have been providing intelligence to Israel. It is western capitals that have been repressing protest and making it a terror offence to try to stop the genocide.
It is the US and Britain that have been sanctioning and threatening the International Criminal Court to force it to reverse its decision to seek Netanyahu’s arrest for starving Gaza’s population. It has been western capitals staying silent as their citizens have been taken hostage by Israel illegally in international waters for trying to bring aid to Gaza.
And it is the western media that first lamely accepted its exclusion from Gaza by Israel, then barely reported Israel’s unprecedented mass murder of Gaza’s local journalists, and now eagerly conscripts its exclusion as the excuse for failing to scrutinise Israel’s actions amid a supposed “fog of war”.




If noting that a genocide is taking place in Gaza amounts to a “blood libel”, then every western government is implicated in that libel. Are they all to be let off the hook? They very much hope that you will think that way.
Insurance policy
And third, it would be astonishing if Israel weren’t committing a genocide in Gaza, given that its every crime against the Palestinians has been supported decade after decade by the West.
Israel has grown emboldened. The “blood libel” paradox has been its insurance policy against scrutiny and criticism.
The West has given Israel a permanent licence to brutalise the Palestinians, to ethnically cleanse them, to steal their land, and to kill them. The worse it behaves, the more the “blood libel” kicks in to shut down criticism. The more depraved Israel’s actions are, the more antisemitic it becomes to point out the truth.
For more than a century, generation after generation of western leaders have been backing Israel to the hilt. Why would Israel not conclude that there are no red lines, that it can do as it pleases and that the West will still arm it and still justify its crimes as “defence” and “counter-terrorism”?
The “blood libel” doesn’t protect Jews from another genocide. It licences Israel to destroy the Palestinian people, and to savagely bomb its neighbours, with utter impunity, while western leaders remain tight-lipped in a way they would never do were it Russia, China or Iran committing far less egregious atrocities.
Which, of course, is exactly what encourages antisemitism. Utterly baffled by this state of affairs, some observers are fooled into imagining that the only possible reason is that Israel controls the West; that it has special, unseen powers to intimidate the US, the strongest, most militarised state in history; and that behind all this, Jews and Jewish money are what pulls the levers in western capitals.
That assumption is a flight from a far more difficult, painful reality: that Israel is the bastard child of the West. It is nothing exceptional or extraordinary. It is white, western, colonial, genocidal racism, repackaged as a supposedly “Jewish” project.
Israel can carry out its crimes in the promotion of western control over the oil-rich Middle East, and the West knows that any criticism of its imperial control and pillage can be dismissed as antisemitism.
It’s win-win for colonialism. It’s lose-lose for our humanity.

Jonathan Cook is a writer and journalist based in Nazareth, Israel. His latest books are Israel and the Clash of Civilizations: Iraq, Iran, and the Plan to Remake the Middle East (Pluto Press) and Disappearing Palestine: Israel's Experiments in Human Despair (Zed Books). Visit his Web site.
 

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Has hamas releases all the hostages yet?
Hamas stated that they will release all the rest of the hostages if Israel pulls out of Gaza.
But do you still condone the Israeli bombing of innocent civilians and the blockade of the majority of food aid to the starving children that are dying in thousands due to malnourishment?
We know that if this conflict is ended, then there will be a huge investigation into Netanyahu and his corruption. Hence he does not want this war to end for his own benefits!! :rolleyes:
 

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Hamas stated that they will release all the rest of the hostages if Israel pulls out of Gaza.
But do you still condone the Israeli bombing of innocent civilians and the blockade of the majority of food aid to the starving children that are dying in thousands due to malnourishment?
We know that if this conflict is ended, then there will be a huge investigation into Netanyahu and his corruption. Hence he does not want this war to end for his own benefits!! :rolleyes:
Um Israel was not in Gaza before this shit happens...what a nice spin that you ate up easily...
Hamas broke into Israel, kills a lot of civilians, took some hostages, then cries ceasefire when the heat turns up...
 

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Um Israel was not in Gaza before this shit happens...what a nice spin that you ate up easily...
Hamas broke into Israel, kills a lot of civilians, took some hostages, then cries ceasefire when the heat turns up...
Israel was occupying Gaza and ruling it like the world's largest open air prison.
They controlled water, power, food, materials, phones and who got in and out.
And if they got to close to the prison walls Israel shot them.

That is occupation, Israel styled.

And of course you laugh with news of genocide.

 
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