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Blue Jays 2009

Are we better this year ?

  • yes

    Votes: 64 45.1%
  • no

    Votes: 49 34.5%
  • who cares the Yankees are going to win

    Votes: 15 10.6%
  • who cares the Red Sox are going to win

    Votes: 14 9.9%

  • Total voters
    142

teassoc

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Kilgore Trout said:
Blue Jays are probable pitching matchups for Yankees Series:

Halladay vs Burnett
Richmond vs Pettitte
Tallet vs Sabathia

Burnett is pitching on 5 days rest instead of 4 so he may have his good stuff against Halladay.
Rob Ray is getting pushed back in the order due to day off on Monday; so, Tallet will face Sabathia if I heard Jerry Howarth correctly during Sunday's game against Oakland.
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Numbers Speculation From Left Field:
Building on a 22- 12 start...

To make playoffs with a wild card out of AL east will probably take 96 wins.
So in 54 games they have against Tampa/Yankees/Red Sox assuming Jays go 27W 27L then they would need to go
47 W -27 L against the rest of MLB to get to 96 wins. Jays need to improve on their recent numbers versus NL league teams to hit those numbers.

In 2008 Jays went 25W -29L against Tampa/Red Sox/Yankees and
8 W 10 L against NL teams.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Toronto_Blue_Jays_season
May look a bit daunting but 3 things in the Jays favor:

- with the exception of Boston, all the other possible WC contenders will need to do significantly better to overhaul the Jays
- Given how poorly other potential WC contenders have started the Jays might not need 96 wins this year
- Jays will shortly be blessed with potentially the strongest pitching line-up in the AL; currently it's still one of the strongest :)
 

SkyRider

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salsamarc said:
1909—Pitching for Winchester in the Blue Grass League, Fred Toney worked 17 no-hit innings before winning 1-0 over Lexington.
I'm almost afraid to ask. What was Fred Toney's pitch count?:eek:
 

SkyRider

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Kilgore Trout said:
Burnett is pitching on 5 days rest instead of 4 so he may have his good stuff against Halladay.
Burnett is too unpredictable. When he is bad he is terrible. Even in the same game he is too unpredictable. He could start off hot and lose it all after 5 innings.
 

teassoc

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Trouble is all these ex-Jays seem to get really fired up on their return. Hinskie when he was playing for Tampa Bay for example seemed to feed off all those boos.

It wouldn't surprise me though if the Yankees shuffled their pitching order to avoid that match-up.
 

Kilgore Trout

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One of the reasons Jays doing better this year is they have right handed bats in Kevin Millar and Jose Batista to start when they're facing lefthanded starters.

Millar taking over from Overbay at first and Batista taking over from Snider in LF. These 2 guys are really hitting well in those platoon roles and they need them this week because Pettitte on Weds. and Sabathia on Thurs are both lefties.
 

teassoc

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I agree, I like that platoon system. They had something similar in 2007.

I was also reading that things have improved because they aren't getting themselves out trying to steal too many bases.
 

Kilgore Trout

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Casey Janssen likely doing his last rehab assignment tonight, Romero next day.
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Quote from Google news article:

"Janssen makes his return with the Fisher Cats tonight (6:35 p.m.) in a start against the Binghamton Mets. He'll throw no more than six innings or 75 pitches in a rehabilitation assignment (shoulder) for the Blue Jays.
Soon he'll rejoin Toronto and continue what has been a promising start to his career. The 27-year-old has been a valuable and versatile Jay, going 8-13 (3.89 ERA) with six saves.

The difference between pitching at Double-A and the majors isn't as big as you might think, he said.

"You can't give those hitters too much credit up there. Your stuff works. If you can get people out in Double-A, you can get people out in the big leagues. It's just a matter of believing it yourself and going out there and executing your pitches," Janssen said.

In the same breath, he stressed the mental side of the majors. It makes and breaks players.

"You've got to show up every day. You're playing against the elite guys in the league. It's a thrill. It's everything you want, but it's tough. You've got to bring it," he said.
Members of the Jays' brass, including Dick Scott, director of player development and Charlie Wilson, manager of minor league operations, are in Manchester to check on their farm club. They'll see another major leaguer, Ricky Romero, tomorrow night at the Merch.

Romero, the first pitcher drafted in 2005, got off to a blistering start with the Jays (2-0, 1.71 ERA) before a sore oblique landed him on the disabled list April 24. He'll pitch tomorrow night (6:35), marking the fourth straight season the southpaw has worn a New Hampshire uniform.

The 6-foot-4 Janssen missed all of the 2008 season after suffering a labrum tear in his throwing shoulder. He hasn't seen the inside of Toronto's clubhouse this season. Imagine how much he's itching to get back.

"It was tough coming back from surgery, a lot of countless hours at rehab. There has to be a lot of self-discipline. No one is really telling you to keep going except yourself," he said.

There was talk B.J. Ryan might be joining the Fisher Cats on a rehab assignment, but the former All-Star reliever remains in Florida on a workout program. Any time a big leaguer shows up in the minors is a good day for development.

"It's good to watch these guys compete all the time no matter what's going on," NH manager Gary Cathcart said. "(Some minor leaguers) have as much talent as those guys in the big leagues, but you have to learn how to compete every day, especially up there."

Janssen is not throwing any differently than he did in 2005. He'll throw five pitches: fastball, change, cutter, curveball, slider. But instead of throwing for first-place Toronto, he'll take the mound for the first-place Fishers -- just like back in the day when future major-leaguers Dustin McGowan and Shaun Marcum were also pitching for New Hampshire."
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Anyway, I'm worried that Romero will be out of sync or out of rhythm with how he was throwing before he injured himself.

If they need another left arm in bullpen this Castro guy in Vegas keeps throwing really well, putting up terrific numbers. Keeps the ball low, has nice control, forces a lot of hitters to hit infield grounders.
Yesterday Castro was named Pacific Coast League pitcher of the week.
http://lasvegas.51s.milb.com/milb/s...id=2009_05_10_srcaaa_lvgaaa_1&cid=400&t=g_box

http://www.lvrj.com/sports/44703652.html
 

Insidious Von

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Rolen vs Glaus

This hasn't been discussed but its a large factor in the Jays revival. Ricciardi gets alot of crap for some of his decisions but the Rolen for Glaus deal isn't one of them.

Third base has been a black hole for the Jays for over a decade, now they have stability at that position. Scott Rolen's defensive skills cannot be questioned but could he still hit? Under the guidance of Gene Tenace he has thrived, he's had his share of clutch hits this season.

When Troy Glaus was with the Jays they were a boring team. Glaus is as unperdictable a hitter as Burnett is a pitcher. He once won the World Series MVP with the Angles (2002) since then his work ethic has been called into question. He left the Jays under a cloud of steroid and Rolen arrived apparently close to the end of his playing days.
 

SkyRider

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Kilgore Trout said:
Millar taking over from Overbay at first and Batista taking over from Snider in LF.
Also, RIOS doesn't have enough power to be a #3, 4 or 5 batter and not a high enough batting average to be a #1 or 2 batter, He should be batting 8th.
 

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The AJ Burnett that we saw tonight is the "normal" Burnett. He has been much better and much worse. He was his normal self to-night. He is simply just an average pitcher.

Halladay on an average night is 5 times better than Burnett on an average night.
 

slowandeasy

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RobertCortez59 said:
I think we can now officially say the jays are for real...
I think its still too early to get carried away.
Q. When will it not be "too early"?
A. Game 163.

Last night was a masterpiece. Harry Leroy Halladay III, has been quietly awesome over his career. This team is fun to watch because they continue to make plays like Travis Snider "throwing out" the runner in the 1st inning, playing solid defence, working the pitch count, and getting great pitching.

I did not get a chance to attend the game last night, but it was awesome to see that 40,000+ showed up for the game. I hope this continues.
 

mandrill

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RobertCortez59 said:
I think we can now officially say the jays are for real...
Not if the Yanks take the next 2 games of the series. We have to win the series with the yanks and then take series against Bosox and T-Bay before the American teams stop chuckling at us.
 

teassoc

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Richmond didn't get through 2 innings tonight against a weakened Yankees lineup. So he and Ray could be the ones to go as and when Jenssen and Romero return.
 
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