Blue Jays 2008 Season

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Brownie69 said:
salsamarc said:
we are now off to pay the first place Baltimore Orioles a visit...[/QUOTE]

Never thought I'd hear that this season. I know its early, but still....
Of course after last night's game, Toronto shares top place in the Eastern division with Baltimore. So whoever wins tonight will stay top.

Still don't know how they can blow hot and cold so quickly. Small ball approach seems the way to win games. Looked at times as though they had forgotten that in the Oakland games.

Accardo seemed to have a good game last night. Hopefully that will help him get his confidence back. :)
 

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Just wondering everyone thoughts .... Does this bother you ???

Read it and heard it today that JP doesn't live in Toronto ... When Jays are taking a flight to Texas last week
he was taking a flight home to Boston ...


How do you promote your City to Free Agents when you yourself don't even want to live here ??? Also explains why
U.S. publications always have Jays scoops before Toronto Papers ....
Maybe he enjoys living in a city of winners. ;)

Red Sox, Pats, Celtics, Bruins (tons of Adams Division banners plus won 1 playoff game in 2008 = success...lol), Boston College (2008 NCAA hockey champs), Revolution (2007 MLS finalists). Even the Boston LOBsters are a top team in Team Tennis .... lol

However, being from the area, I know he once had an interest in being with the Red Sox. Thank gooness for Theo.
 

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well I am a JP hater and if there was anyway we could dump the guy to Blueline's Red Sucks......I meant Sox then that will be my dream come true
If he can pitch and throw strikes, we'll take him. I watch every freaking game and seems like only 3 guys can get hitters out consistently. Beckett, Oki and Paps. Up til last night, Sox were neck and neck with Tigers for most walks and had 8 more than the next worst team. Freaking Dice-K threw 116 pitches in 5 innings the other night. Lester 97 in less than 5 last night. I don't know who that bastard was in Julian Tavares' jersey #51 last night but he was the best RP I have seen other than the Papajima duo. :eek:
 

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blueline, this is the Blue Jays 2008 Season thread - stop hijacking it with your Red Sux nonsense! :D

I think it is pretty odd that a guy can be a GM in a city for 6.5 years and be under contract for another 1.5 years and still not reside in said city. As far as I know, he lived in Oakland when he was a mere Assistant GM...

I guess it's a matter of perception - it just looks bad when your long-term GM/Senior Vice President of Baseball Operations can't be bothered to live in the city that he makes his money in.

It also reeks of hypocrisy. Here he asks loyalty of the players, wants them to make public appearances, etc., and he can't be bothered to stick around when the team is out of town. It looks like he has one foot out the door and will jump the second another opportunity presents itself.

Whatever, it's J-Me, so nothing surprises me.
 

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Herodotus said:
blueline, this is the Blue Jays 2008 Season thread - stop hijacking it with your Red Sux nonsense!
Sorry, just trying to give you Jays fans a glimpse of how things are on the other side of the tracks. :p
 

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true the soxs have seen better starters.....but what a closer they have....
Pretty bad when we are pinning our hopes on a near 300 lb, former Cy Young winner, with shoulder problems, already on the minor league DL who eats more between innings than he eats innings ......

However, Colon may end up a steal if he can win 10 or so. He strained his oblique muscle, probably reaching across the buffet table for that extra large meatball sandwhich. :p
 

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Just did some reading on torn labrums, the injury that Casey Janssen has.
If past results are any indication there is a better than 90% chance that he will never pitch at the level that he used to pitch at. If he makes it back at all.

Of the 36 pitchers that the writer below looked at who had torn labrums only one of the 36 recovered to the level that he used to pitch at.

Quote: re. torn labrums:

"If pitchers with torn labrums were horses, they'd be destroyed. Of the 36 major-league hurlers diagnosed with labrum tears in the last five years, only midlevel reliever Rocky Biddle has returned to his previous level. Think about that when your favorite pitcher comes down with labrum trouble: He has a 3 percent chance of becoming Rocky Biddle. More likely, he'll turn into Mike Harkey, Robert Person, or Jim Parque, pitchers who lost stamina and velocity—and a major-league career—when their labrums began to fray."
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"So far, the message from the nation's orthopedic surgeons is: We can't rebuild them. Dr. Anthony Tropiano, a top baseball arm doc, says the best available treatment option today is to do nothing. "We call it conservative treatment," he says, "but that's just a euphemism for a little rehab and a lot of prayer."


http://www.slate.com/id/2100895/

White Sox GM Ken Williams shafted Gord Ash of the Blue Jays in 2000 when he traded Mike Sirotka to the Blue Jays for David Wells basically ( couple of other throw ins). But Sirotka had a bad shoulder which Ken Williams concealed from Gord Ash when he made the trade. And it turned out that the bad shoulder was a torn labrum and Sirotka's career was basically over with.
Ash tried to rescind the deal but MLB told Ash to shove it and that he should have done a thorough physical on Sirotka before the trade was consummated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Sirotka
 

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The one bright spot with Janssen and the torn labrum is that he is young enough (26) and not reliant on an overpowering fastball. He was more of a change-of-speed, control and groundball pitcher. Hopefully he can come back and just continue to find ways to get guys out. Good luck to him.

Just seeing the name Mike Sirotka made my stomach twist.
 

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Tonight's series against the Texas Rangers

* Toronto (8-6) ranks among the league’s leaders with a .282 batting average, and hit .331 with 30 RBIs as it went 4-1 on a five-game road swing.

* We just played five bad baseball games,” Rangers manager Ron Washington told the team’s official Web site. “Whatever bad could happen, it happened. Whatever mistakes could be made, we made them, physically and mentally. But the only way to get out of this funk is to play ourselves out of it.”

Let's kick them while they are down :D
 

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salsamarc said:
* Toronto (8-6) ranks among the league’s leaders with a .282 batting average, and hit .331 with 30 RBIs as it went 4-1 on a five-game road swing.

* We just played five bad baseball games,” Rangers manager Ron Washington told the team’s official Web site. “Whatever bad could happen, it happened. Whatever mistakes could be made, we made them, physically and mentally. But the only way to get out of this funk is to play ourselves out of it.”

Let's kick them while they are down
Anyone feel the earth move slightly last night? A return to the natural order maybe, with Sox taking over 1st place ..... Now if we can find away to get Toronto off our schedule, we may make a good run here. ;)
 

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Anyone feel the earth move slightly last night? A return to the natural order maybe, with Sox taking over 1st place ..... Now if we can find away to get Toronto off our schedule, we may make a good run here. ;)
Well no one can say your not passionate about your team. I still think the Sox are an injury away from major trouble if something happens to any of their starters, especially Beckett.

With Janssen, the odds are his dreams of becoming a starter are probably over. He should shoot to be an effective one inning guy in the bullpen when he comes back. As stated above, he didn't depend on an overpowering fastball so it wouldn't be a stretch for him to play in the majors again in this role.
 

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Brownie69 said:
Well no one can say your not passionate about your team. I still think the Sox are an injury away from major trouble if something happens to any of their starters, especially Beckett.

good idea....Salsa do VODOO on the Sox.....now where can I go find a black live chicken???
 

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Well no one can say your not passionate about your team. I still think the Sox are an injury away from major trouble if something happens to any of their starters, especially Beckett.

With Janssen, the odds are his dreams of becoming a starter are probably over. He should shoot to be an effective one inning guy in the bullpen when he comes back. As stated above, he didn't depend on an overpowering fastball so it wouldn't be a stretch for him to play in the majors again in this role.
No argument from me. Most nights, he is the only sure thing in that rotation, other than two studs in the bullpen. Another starter couldn't go more than 5-6 innings last night. I think the average is now something like 5.5 innings for their starters. They lead the league in walks and after Detroit, not a team is even close to them. Pitching is a concern. Hitting, so far has not been a problem as bench players have filled in nicely for Lowell on the DL and others have picked up for Papi. A rookie making his first start last night had 3 RBI (Jed Lowrie).

Blue Jays will pose a very serious threat to Boston. They worry me far more than the Yankees do. As someone else posted, Toronto's pitching top to bottom can't be matched right now. Their starting 9 can also be scary most nights.

As for my boasting here, just a little friendly banter. No way Sox will run away with this like they did last year. Jays have surely closed the gap on them. They have enough to make a race out of this.
 
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