Asshole Cop with Inferiority Complex explodes

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Didn't your cat make it into the papers as scoring above the Ontario average on the Grade 3 std. tests???????.
Some cats bring home dead mice as trophies for their owners, to show what good hunters they are. My cat brings home live mice sometimes, as toys for himself.

A couple of times, they have excaped from him, and gotten loose in my apartment. He catches them in the living room, by using a mirror against the wall. He understands perspective to the point that, if the mouse appears farther into the mirror, the mouse is actually farther from the mirror. Some third graders haven't figured that one out yet.

He's learned his lesson about escaping mice, so now, he makes sure to break one of the mouse's legs before playing with it, so it can't escape.

One mouse in particular must have really pissed him off, because instead of just killing it when he recaught it, he flayed and ate it in the kitchen, probably while it was still alive, then puked it up about an hour later. This tells me that he was actually learning a lot from watching Oz, and it wasn't just moving images on the TV screen that were catching his attention.

He has a very beneficial genetic mutation for a house cat. He has a scrotum, but his testicles are internal and undescended, but fully functional, as we have confirmation that he has fathered at least one litter. He was never neutered because there was nothing showing, and it was assumed by his original owner that he had been born without testicles

He doesn't like snow on his paws or rear end, so if there's snow on the porch, he'll walk along the window sill, use a bench as a springboard, and jump 7½ feet, while rising four feet, just to keep his bum dry. He's really large, and all muscle. The human equivelent of his physique would be Dwight Howard of the Orlando Magic, who recently won the NBA slam dunk championship:

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Hey Mongrel? At least I openly stated that yes, the cop went a little too far, but did you ever say that about the kid?
Actually yeah I did.. I said that the kid was doing something illegal and deserved a fine. I even stated earlier that his actions were foolhardy


tboy said:
Jesus you are blind aren't you? The cop SAID to the kid "give me your skateboard and the kid had it in front of him and when the cop reached for it the kid moved it away so the cop couldn't grab it.
TBOY, pay attention.. watch it again. The cop darted towards him and scuffled briefly initially BEFORE saying "gimme the skateboard" while still in the midst of the "scuffle".

tboy said:
1) Yes, breaking the law DOES make him a bad kid and yes, mouthing off to the cop enforces it.
2) If he heard or not, the second the cop started talking to him he should have a) taken his earphones out b) respectfully said: I'm sorry officer, I didn't hear you the first time, I won't do it again.
3) Dude DUDE DUDE DUDE even after the cop told him to stop calling him that and all the back talk.
4) NO the cop was NOT picking on him until he started backtalking. In fact it appeared the cop was in his car about to drive away.....
1) so if you speed you are a "bad" person?? :confused:

2) He was asked to take his earphones out... he did and then said "I didnt hear you"..he owes no more than that....seems reasonable to me

3) Yes that was silly. But I still think the cop went way too far. Would you start shoving a 14yr old because he called you "dude"? Its not derogatory.

4) um.. the cop clearly got out of the car lol and even a blind man could see all his shit was focused to the one kid right from GO

tboy said:
Respect: sorry, no, I live by the adage: respect your elders. No, kids do NOT automatically garner respect. Respect must be earned and yet again, the other two kids in the video obviously also live by that adage and got away with a verbal warning.
Well I live by the belief that all people get basic initial respect until they demonstrate that they don't deserve it.

tboy said:
You said it yourself: respect is earned by your actions: the kid was breaking the law therefore is automatically IN THE WRONG.
right so he was in the wrong.. give him his ticket and tell him to take off. This cop is demanding respect meanwhile hes roughing up a 14yr old whos posing no threat... I dont think so

tboy said:
As for my view of teens: You see, I remember what it was like when I was a teenager and the way I treated people. I also see how many (not all) teens treat parents, parents friends, teachers,
I remember my self as a teen too... I wasnt perfect. But I wasnt the son of the devil either. I also remember other kids as well some were great, others were not. But I also remember that no matter who the teen was, once they were treated with respect (myself included) even the "baddest" of kids settle down and see things rationally. I remember teachers in highscool (and I went to a rough school) the ones that the kids respected and LISTENED to were the ones that treated them fairly and with respect...and then other teachers that treated these kids like they werent worth the air jordans on their feet got treated like shit in return by the SAME kid. Explain that?

You know, sure those kids could have handled it better. bear in mind that they are only 14 and still have a lot of growing and maturing to do...and we all grow up in different ways. Did you grow up over night? right from the monkey bars to the board room? all these kids did is skateboard in an area they shouldnt and act a little foolhardy in handling a situation. Its not like they are gun totting thugs.

but the cop.. the civil servant.. the adult...has a responsibility to themselves, their peers and the public to be above that noise and set a good example by PROPERLY and PROFESSIONALLY handling their situations. You cant have cops acting like this? what kind of a message do you suppose it sends to the public?

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BTW Mongrel: I sure hope you back talk like that to the next cop that pulls you over for speeding...I really really do.

You know Ive been harrassed by cops before in my youth. sometimes I deserved it and sometimes I didnt. If I wasnt in the wrong I certainly voiced my concerns...yeah we argued and in most cases I would have handled it differently now as an adult than I did in my youth but never once did they physically rough me up.

Sometimes a cop (certain bad ones) just wants to pick on people
 

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Mongrel4u said:
NOW theres a SECOND video ; same guy, different occurrence. Kinda makes you wonder
Yeah, like I said this guy overreacts. But lets not make it more than it is. In that 2nd video as the officer is demanding to know what is going on another remote control car gets run right by his feet!
The guy needs to be put through a course on how not to escalte a situation, but then again I haven't heard too many stories of people mouthing off to cops and the situation ending happily.
he lunged (sp?) at the kid...its instinct for anybody who is lunged at to recoil. He didnt demand the skateboard first.. he lunged at him. All he had to say is "hand over the skate board..now"
If I remember correctly he said it as he reached for it. The kid refused to give it up. Don't give me this crap about instinct to recoil. My instinct when a cop goes to grab something is to let him take it. Last thing you need is the cop to think you are resisting him.
1) Yes the kid was breaking the law...a minor law. Does this make him a bad kid? How many of us ever jay walked or speeded in our cars. does this make us bad and deserving to be mistreated? or roughed up?
The kid, like any of us deserves to get his fine and told too leave
Skaters are a constant problem in many cities. This kid is not a bad kid for skateboarding, but funny how he was the only one in the group that had trouble grasping the situation. Everyone else seemed to listen and obey.
2) Why is it such a stretch to believe that perhaps the kid didn't hear the cop? You know, just because one is a teenager doesn't necessarily make him "bad" or up to no good. Actually if you listen carefully, the cop asked him to take out his earphones in teh beginning so its very likely that he didnt hear.
Once again, funny how he's the only one in the group not to obey the officer. You can hear one of the kids tell the officer, "I've been trying to tell him." I find it hard to believe he's skateboarding with his friends and they all stop and yell to him but he keeps going.
3) Its hard to respect someone who doesn't act like they deserve it...and even so what did the kid do that was so disrespectful. You cant explain anything to a cop or have a conversation??
Actually it is easy to explain to a cop something. The first words out of your mouth are, "I'm sorry officer..." or "I apologize officer..."

Look, I wasn't a perfect teenager but when the cops pulled me over or raided my house party I was completely respectful and usually the cops just gave me a polite warning. And if they did feel the need to cite me they would cite me for the least possible offense. There was only one time I got smacked with a huge fine and had to go to court, but I didn't feel the need to backtalk the cop or complain I was being picked on. I pleaded guilty and took my medicine because even at 17 I knew I was in the wrong.
 

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MOngrel: while you're talking about respect, what about the respect for the law? The kid(s) obviously have no respect for that else they wouldn't be skateboarding where they aren't allowed to......

It's still funny, how the two other kids that respected the cop, and did as they were told, nothing happened to? Hmmm coincidence? I think not...

As for your highschool teacher/respect example: Sure, more often than not if you show someone respect you may get respect back but for the record, and I've seen this a thousand times: on the first day of school the teacher knows who the troublemakers are by their actions and typically those actions are dissing the teacher and not following instructions. IMO that is when you slap them down HARD (not literally) and show them who is B O S S. Then if they smarten up? Give them respect but I can see where you are coming from, the touchy feelie, don't yell at johnny, poor poor kid mentality.

But as you've said so yourself: people who get respect give it, and why should the teacher/cop/parent/bus driver/shop keeper be any different? If a kid disses me? He better have a dental plan.....because the golden rule above all else is: RESPECT YOUR ELDERS EOS.

And Yeah ocean, I agree 100%: the first words out of your mouth should be a) responding politely to a cop's questions and or b) I'm sorry officer....Now for the record, I grew up in a rough neighbourhood too and when I didn't respect them? I ran the risk of losing teeth and heard stories of the same so did I respect them? Fucking right I did because he who has the power, has the respect.

As I was watching Cops last week, there was a domestic disturbance where the mom grabbed the phone out of the teen girl's ear after repeatedly telling her to get off the phone. The girl proceeded to bite, kick, scratch and pull out mom's hair. When the cops came to arrest the teen the cop said to her when she said "well...whine whine whine...she started it by grabbing the phone offa me...." the cops said: Listen dear, your mom has the RIGHT to spank you, to hold you down, and to disclipline you when you DON'T follow her orders. You do NOT have the right to strike back.....Now this is all within reason he says and grabbing the phone off of you when you don't abide by her orders is within reason. THAT is the problem in a nutshell, sorry, but kids think and if you treat them that way, have the same rights and priveleges as adults...sorry, they don't.....
 

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whelp .. this is sure to go on and on like a never ending story.

you see it your way and others will see it their way
 

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Respect cannot be demanded. Not by anyone, anytime, anywhere. If it isn't given freely, it's not respect. It may resemble it, but it's something else.

Certainly the kids should be respectful of the authority of the polce department, but that cop is of the opinion that he, himself, deserves respect, and demands that it be shown to him, or there will be consequences, and that's the root of his attitude problem.
 

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bobistheowl said:
Respect cannot be demanded. Not by anyone, anytime, anywhere. If it isn't given freely, it's not respect. It may resemble it, but it's something else.

Certainly the kids should be respectful of the authority of the polce department, but that cop is of the opinion that he, himself, deserves respect, and demands that it be shown to him, or there will be consequences, and that's the root of his attitude problem.
Sorry, no.....2 out of the 3 showed the cop respect immediately and the third didn't...that's the problem that many are overlooking........
 

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Sorry, no.....2 out of the 3 showed the cop respect immediately and the third didn't...that's the problem that many are overlooking........
not over looking it

2 out of 3 seem to have heard him the first time so they stopped. The third kid didnt hear because he had earphones on and carried on until the cop got his attention...makes sense....

then the cop freaks out on him and assaults him... doesnt make sense
 

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Mongrel4u said:
not over looking it

2 out of 3 seem to have heard him the first time so they stopped. The third kid didnt hear because he had earphones on and carried on until the cop got his attention...makes sense....

then the cop freaks out on him and assaults him... doesnt make sense
Yes, and how did the other kids react and how did he react when the cop finally got his attention? Yeah, I didn't hear you, yeah I didn't hear you, dude, I didn't hear you...dude dude dude.....Not, I'm sorry Officer, but I didn't hear you....and you can plainly hear the cop ask him repeatedly VERY gently, "can you hear me now"......sorry, you give attitude to a cop and you'll get a smack down. If you don't like it? This is a democracy, fight to change our cops into pussies....

And Assault, LOL you're funny!!!!
 

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Yes, and how did the other kids react and how did he react when the cop finally got his attention? Yeah, I didn't hear you, yeah I didn't hear you, dude, I didn't hear you...dude dude dude.....Not, I'm sorry Officer, but I didn't hear you....and you can plainly hear the cop ask him repeatedly VERY gently, "can you hear me now"......sorry, you give attitude to a cop and you'll get a smack down. If you don't like it? This is a democracy, fight to change our cops into pussies....

And Assault, LOL you're funny!!!!

ok well you can fight for incompetent pussies who feel the need to push around a 14 yr old kid.

I'll pull for competent cops who actually know how to handle varying situations and thus do their job properly
 

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Mongrel4u said:
ok well you can fight for incompetent pussies who feel the need to push around a 14 yr old kid.

I'll pull for competent cops who actually know how to handle varying situations and thus do their job properly
Ah, I see.. so if someone videotaped you they would never find you making any type of error ever? Ah, must be nice to be prefect.......

And I'll pull for cops who have a job 10,000 times more difficult than your's, put up with constant scrutiny, badgering, belittling comments, a general lack of respect (ppl on this board are a prime example) and deal with the worst society has to offer all within a vary narrow window of acceptable behaviour and you'll pull for pussies who will get you killed because they will try and talk when it's time to act.....

BTW: if that was my kid and I saw that video? I'd ground him for a month for not respecting the cop and if I knew the parents of that kid? I'd say: you better break out the better parenting handbook because you failed miserably......
 

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Ah, I see.. so if someone videotaped you they would never find you making any type of error ever? Ah, must be nice to be prefect.......
There are little errors and big ones.. his was big, blatant and shows how incompetent he is..especially now that hes suspended and under investigation and theres now a SECOND video. If I was caught in my business doing big blatant errors I'd be out (so to speak); and there would be nothing for me to argue with. DONE

tboy said:
And I'll pull for cops who have a job 10,000 times more difficult than your's, put up with constant scrutiny, badgering, belittling comments, a general lack of respect (ppl on this board are a prime example) and deal with the worst society has to offer all within a vary narrow window of acceptable behaviour
Difficulty is NO excuse. This is why some are qualified to do some jobs and others arent. If you cant do the job.. LEAVE and be replaced by someone who can. If a surgeon makes a blatant error in his job while operating on you and says "waaahhh my job is hard" would that fly?

There are plenty of good cops out there that are doing an outstanding job and there are plenty more in the works. None of them are trying to use that as an excuse to do a shit job

tboy said:
and you'll pull for pussies who will get you killed because they will try and talk when it's time to act.....
So you think this guy was gonna get killed ROTFLMAO. By the 14 yr old "50cent" sketboarder kid? Oh yeah I'm sure hes packin...what do you think? Tec9? AK?...nah probably a gloc...yeah thats it. lol

See thats exactly my point..a good qualified cop knows how to read people, read a situation and act accordingly...they also know how to handle people and diffuse a situation. This is what they were train to do. Clearly officer "dude" here was snacking on sweets rather than pay attention. THESE are the guys that stay alive AND get respect.
 

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tboy said:
Ah, I see.. so if someone videotaped you they would never find you making any type of error ever? Ah, must be nice to be prefect.......

And I'll pull for cops who have a job 10,000 times more difficult than your's, put up with constant scrutiny, badgering, belittling comments, a general lack of respect (ppl on this board are a prime example) and deal with the worst society has to offer all within a vary narrow window of acceptable behaviour and you'll pull for pussies who will get you killed because they will try and talk when it's time to act.....

BTW: if that was my kid and I saw that video? I'd ground him for a month for not respecting the cop and if I knew the parents of that kid? I'd say: you better break out the better parenting handbook because you failed miserably......
Dude! it's just a word. It's not like he's calling him a pig and intending to offend him. It's how kids talk dude!

As for their jobs being difficult? I don't see whats difficult about it. Get dispatched somewhere. Investigate. If a crime has been committed then arrest. Nothing to difficult about that when they have procedures to follow. If they screw up, they get a time out with pay. Seriously.

And it's not like they go put any serious effort into real crimes. Get assaulted, they write a report. Get robbed, they write a report. Aside from that, they cruise all day looking for traffic violations.

It may be dangerous at times but it's not difficult by any stretch of the imagination.
 

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Dude! it's just a word. It's not like he's calling him a pig and intending to offend him. It's how kids talk dude!

As for their jobs being difficult? I don't see whats difficult about it. Get dispatched somewhere. Investigate. If a crime has been committed then arrest. Nothing to difficult about that when they have procedures to follow. If they screw up, they get a time out with pay. Seriously.

And it's not like they go put any serious effort into real crimes. Get assaulted, they write a report. Get robbed, they write a report. Aside from that, they cruise all day looking for traffic violations.

It may be dangerous at times but it's not difficult by any stretch of the imagination.
Look at the cop's ride... he is a meter maid... that ain't no cruise.

How hard is it to give out parking tickets... (Yeah I know I said I wouldn't post anymore in this thread.)
 

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ewww boy here's another one to debate.

What about family values when the cop insulted the kids upbringing and offended his parents? Now, if the child comes from a good home with good values he should maybe of mouthed back twice as hard and offended the officers offensive mouth. That cop had no right to pass judgement that he knows none about. I also say that family is just that family and you should defend your own blood.
 

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Jade4u said:
ewww boy here's another one to debate.

What about family values when the cop insulted the kids upbringing and offended his parents? Now, if the child comes from a good home with good values he should maybe of mouthed back twice as hard and offended the officers offensive mouth. That cop had no right to pass judgement that he knows none about. I also say that family is just that family and you should defend your own blood.
Did you listen to the video? What insult to the brat's family values? He said maybe your mother should kick your ass which is STILL a valid point.

As for calling the officer "dude", Buff, your post is a perfect example of how disrespectful people are....Hell, DUDE, nigger is just a word too isn't it? But that offends a lot of people....Hey Buff, I tell you what, the next time you meet up with an important client, or get called into the CEO's office, call him Dude and see where that gets you.....

Mongrel: Big and Blatant? He took a kid's skateboard from him and yelled at him? Jesus H Christ.......You make it seem like the cop tasered him and then kicked the shit out of him......don't blow it out of proportion.....

BTW: That cop is suspended WITH pay which means the offence isn't that serious, which it isn't. If it was, he'd be suspended without pay. I can also bet you that it is a political move so the Force can say to the public: we've done something about it.

To compare an error you may make to what that cop did would be like if you (mongrel) made 35 copies instead of 25 of that report the boss wanted.

I will say this again: if you think that kid was assaulted, you haven't a clue what an assault is....

For the record: You make it sound preposterous that the kid might have a gun on him. Dude, you are WHACKED. Didn't you see the sun this week where the teen got taken down robbing a bank at gunpoint? It isn't that unreasonable to think the kid might have a weapon......

I mean seriously folks: you make it seem like that kid got assfucked on national TV. He got a scolding, that is THE be all and end all of the video.....
 

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tboy said:
BTW: That cop is suspended WITH pay which means the offence isn't that serious, which it isn't. If it was, he'd be suspended without pay. I can also bet you that it is a political move so the Force can say to the public: we've done something about it.
Cops are always suspended WITH pay, while under investigation, and other cops decided the penalty in this sort of misconduct issue. If he's a 17 year vet, and is doing traffic duties, that tells you a lot about what his superiors think of his policing skills.
 

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bobistheowl said:
Cops are always suspended WITH pay, while under investigation, and other cops decided the penalty in this sort of misconduct issue. If he's a 17 year vet, and is doing traffic duties, that tells you a lot about what his superiors think of his policing skills.
Yes and serious offences come with suspension without pay.....
 

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tboy said:
As for calling the officer "dude", Buff, your post is a perfect example of how disrespectful people are....Hell, DUDE, nigger is just a word too isn't it? But that offends a lot of people....Hey Buff, I tell you what, the next time you meet up with an important client, or get called into the CEO's office, call him Dude and see where that gets you.....
There's a different relationship between a person and client then there is between a person and cop. It's not illegal to call an officer dude and you certainly shouldn't get your skateboard taken away because of it. I know a client wouldn't steal anything of mine if I called them dude. He certainly wouldn't lay a hand on me either.
 

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Anyone get the feeling it should be officer/ex-officer tboy? ;)
 
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