LOL where the hell do YOU live? Now I'm not saying all teenagers but hell, an overwelming majority do the exact opposite of what you describe.....bobistheowl said:
Asshole Cop with Inferiority Complex explodes
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Actaully I agree with bobis... any teen I ever knew showed great amounts of respect for adults that acted like they deserved. Now I'm not saying this is always the case or that we have to cow-tow to teens (quite the contrary).... but we cant be acting like idiots and then wondering "what happened"tboy said:
This cop acted like a moron and was in the wrong.
Simply have a badge doesnt entitle you to respect by default; its guys like this moron that give good deserving cops a bad name.
To suggest that teenagers will respect people who first treat them with disrepect is absurd. Most people of any age learn behavior through observation and personal experience. If you treat someone with respect, they are more likely to show respect to you in return. If you treat someone with disrespect, you should expect them to do the same. Teenagers understand the concept of hypocrisy, much bewtter than adults. Any time an adult adopts a "Do as I say, not as I do", attitude, they tune them out, and with good reason. Teens have a natural tendency to rebel against inequal treatment. There's no reason to treat them as inferior, just because you have lived long enough to make more mistakes.tboy said:
Bob, I agree but more often than not (at least in my experience and maybe it's the areas I've grown up in/lived in) teenagers FIRST and FOREMOST give any adult attitude.
Now from the sounds of that video the cop first told them they weren't allowed to skate there and 2 of the 3 STFU and stopped but obviously one of them said something to piss the cop off.
See, I don't naturally assume automatically that the cop was totally in the wrong, neither do I assume the kid was in the wrong, but even after the cop told the ...ahem...brat...that he is NOT a dude, the kid kept calling him that....how dumb do you have to be???
Once again, someone goes up against the police and the police are automatically assumed to be in the wrong. Did the cop force them to break the law by skateboarding where it is against the law?
Sorry, but I was taught, even at the earliest age, if you mouth off to any adult, be prepared to get a smack down......just like the two OTHER kids in the video were taught....they did what they were told to, sat down and Shutted the F up.......
BTW: that excuse that teens will respect someone until they are disrespected is a cop out. The key is to always show respect even if you're not, it's called being taught right from wrong, respect your elders, and when you are old enough to earn respect, then you will be respected.
Funny though, how about those two other kids in the video who had absolutely NO trouble from the cop? Why didn't they get the tongue lashing like the mouthy one did? Cuz they DID what they were told to do IMMEDIATELY with NO lip.......so your argument doesn't hold any water I'm sorry to say, because if the other two were disrespected the same way as the mouthy one was, according to you, they should have received the tongue lashing as well, BUT the key point here is: THEY DIDN'T.......
Now from the sounds of that video the cop first told them they weren't allowed to skate there and 2 of the 3 STFU and stopped but obviously one of them said something to piss the cop off.
See, I don't naturally assume automatically that the cop was totally in the wrong, neither do I assume the kid was in the wrong, but even after the cop told the ...ahem...brat...that he is NOT a dude, the kid kept calling him that....how dumb do you have to be???
Once again, someone goes up against the police and the police are automatically assumed to be in the wrong. Did the cop force them to break the law by skateboarding where it is against the law?
Sorry, but I was taught, even at the earliest age, if you mouth off to any adult, be prepared to get a smack down......just like the two OTHER kids in the video were taught....they did what they were told to, sat down and Shutted the F up.......
BTW: that excuse that teens will respect someone until they are disrespected is a cop out. The key is to always show respect even if you're not, it's called being taught right from wrong, respect your elders, and when you are old enough to earn respect, then you will be respected.
Funny though, how about those two other kids in the video who had absolutely NO trouble from the cop? Why didn't they get the tongue lashing like the mouthy one did? Cuz they DID what they were told to do IMMEDIATELY with NO lip.......so your argument doesn't hold any water I'm sorry to say, because if the other two were disrespected the same way as the mouthy one was, according to you, they should have received the tongue lashing as well, BUT the key point here is: THEY DIDN'T.......
I dont agree.. PUNKS do this (regardless of age).. not "teenagers"tboy said:
Could be because the cop may have been looking at that particular kid... and all the kid said was "sorry I didnt hear you". Whats wrong with that?tboy said:
I agree that was dumb.. nut I still think the cop needs to relaxtboy said:
What is right about shoving a kid to the ground when he was in no way posing a threat?tboy said:
Respect comes from actions not age.tboy said:
How can you expect to gain respect when you behave like you dont deserve it? What just because you are older? Now thats a cop out... should you respect a criminal that happens to be older?
Could be because they werent picked on...so why get involved? This cop started focusing all his energy on one kid right from when he said "sorry I didnt hear you"; he relentlessly jossled this kid.tboy said:
I know it may be hard for you to conceive but cops can be wrong as well... just because they are cops that doesnt make any action they do "right". I dont know about you but I've been picked on by cops before for doing absolutely nothing (you can beleive this or not)...simply walking along the sidewalk, walking home keeping to myself....How do you respect that?
This cop could have handled this situation so much better... quite litterally a 30 second conversation and these kids would have left
I'm not going to argue with you, but I just re-watched the video and one of the other two kids was talking to the cop in a respectful manner and it seemed like the cop was talking politely and calmly to the kid before he started to get lippy (the kid not the cop).
I also agree that cops can be wrong at times, but one sure way (as I've stated in other threads) to get taken down, yelled at, or otherwise hassled by the cops is to mouth off to them....100% guaranteed. Good cop, bad cop, or passive cop, you mouth off to one and YOU will be in for trouble. EOS.
I grew up in an area that was as rough as jane finch and if you mouthed off to the cops there? You ended up losing teeth, broken bones and not a scolding. Sure, I was (as you call it) hassled by the cops all the time when I was out roaming the streets at all hours of the night. Was I doing anything wrong? Not at the moment but the police letting us know they were around sure stopped ME from doing anything wrong (can't say the same for some of the others).....
Like I said, the cop did go a little too far in pushing the kid/brat to the ground but the cop DID tell him to a) give him his skateboard and b) sit down. Did you notice the other two kept their skateboards and sat down when told to?
Dude dude dude, I didn't do anything, I didn't do anything, even his friends were telling him to shut up......well, he DID do something: he skated where he wasn't allowed to and ahem BROKE THE LAW so he DID do something....watch that tape again, how many times did the cop ask him his name, last name, address, etc etc
I mean he even went so far as to say hey, your friends have the sense to know when to shut up......
"Respect comes from actions not age." Right and that kid IMO was dissing the cop from the get go....and what do you get for backtalk? Something that all the kids teachers/parents/neighbours should have done and maybe he wouldn't have had this problem with the cop......
Again, I say this: if the cop was such a bully and the brat didn't deserve a scolding, why didn't he lay into the other two get the same? Probably because they were polite and respectful to the cop.......
"This cop could have handled this situation so much better... quite litterally a 30 second conversation and these kids would have left" and yup, the kids would have been on their way too had that other one kept his mouth shut with the "dude" and simply said, I am sorry officer, I didn't hear you the first time, I won't skate here again...." and then STFU
I also agree that cops can be wrong at times, but one sure way (as I've stated in other threads) to get taken down, yelled at, or otherwise hassled by the cops is to mouth off to them....100% guaranteed. Good cop, bad cop, or passive cop, you mouth off to one and YOU will be in for trouble. EOS.
I grew up in an area that was as rough as jane finch and if you mouthed off to the cops there? You ended up losing teeth, broken bones and not a scolding. Sure, I was (as you call it) hassled by the cops all the time when I was out roaming the streets at all hours of the night. Was I doing anything wrong? Not at the moment but the police letting us know they were around sure stopped ME from doing anything wrong (can't say the same for some of the others).....
Like I said, the cop did go a little too far in pushing the kid/brat to the ground but the cop DID tell him to a) give him his skateboard and b) sit down. Did you notice the other two kept their skateboards and sat down when told to?
Dude dude dude, I didn't do anything, I didn't do anything, even his friends were telling him to shut up......well, he DID do something: he skated where he wasn't allowed to and ahem BROKE THE LAW so he DID do something....watch that tape again, how many times did the cop ask him his name, last name, address, etc etc
I mean he even went so far as to say hey, your friends have the sense to know when to shut up......
"Respect comes from actions not age." Right and that kid IMO was dissing the cop from the get go....and what do you get for backtalk? Something that all the kids teachers/parents/neighbours should have done and maybe he wouldn't have had this problem with the cop......
Again, I say this: if the cop was such a bully and the brat didn't deserve a scolding, why didn't he lay into the other two get the same? Probably because they were polite and respectful to the cop.......
"This cop could have handled this situation so much better... quite litterally a 30 second conversation and these kids would have left" and yup, the kids would have been on their way too had that other one kept his mouth shut with the "dude" and simply said, I am sorry officer, I didn't hear you the first time, I won't skate here again...." and then STFU
I will concede the kid could have been more respectful to the cop . The cop is suppose to be a trained professional. If he cop can't even defuse a dispute between himself and 14 years old without resorting to violence he isn't much of a cop.
Hopefully policing has improve in the 30+ years since you were running wild in your Toronto "hood"...
Hopefully policing has improve in the 30+ years since you were running wild in your Toronto "hood"...
That's just it: we consider THAT violence? have we become such pussies that when you tussle with a cop who wants to take your skateboard and you fall on your ass we get all up in arms?hunter001 said:...... without resorting to violence he isn't much of a cop.
Hopefully policing has improve in the 30+ years since you were running wild in your Toronto "hood"...
Shit people, good thing we still have some tough guys (and women) to "man" our military because without them we could be invaded and taken over by the army of the galapogos......lol...
LOL well, now I understand why you were so outraged at the vancouver tazing incident....is that was violence what the cop did to the kid then what those cops did to that guy in vancouver must have been akin to genocide (to you).........shit man, I've had girlfriends hit me harder than that cop did to that kid.....hunter001 said:
Man, I swear, we've become a bunch of pussies, let's just hope that the azores don't ever get pissed at us, we'd fold like a house of cards!!!
Tell me hunter: how do you feel about football? You want it banned because it's too violent? Man, when you watch it it must seem like the allies landing at normandy.......
They are adults and professionals. If they decide to have a full contact game against some high school kids... it might be a different story.tboy said:
Maybe violence was the right term, maybe "excessive force" would be a better term considering the circumstances.
In the end the cop is 200lb + the kid is maybe 120lb range, the cop has training on how to handle people (at least I hope), there really wasn't a need to start pushing around the kid.
I have as much respect as anyone for the cop but doing stuff like that doesn't help their images at all.
Dudes
what a piece of shit!
Know some cops in the Toronto area and the stories they tell me...they really do get away with alot of bullshit.
gn
what a piece of shit!
Know some cops in the Toronto area and the stories they tell me...they really do get away with alot of bullshit.
gn
Well, I don't really think the cop intended to knock the kid down, he asked for the skateboard, the kid refused and moved it away from him, so, like all cops, when he asks for something and you refuse, he WILL get his way.....hunter001 said:
Now honestly, even excessive force? I could see it if he smacked the kid, or walked up to him and with both hands, pushed him off his feet so he fell on his back, (or like the cop did with the guy in the wheelchair dumping him on the ground) but excessive force? I'd go so far as to say "manhandled" the kid but then, if the parents had "manhandled" him a bit more, like the other kid's parents did, he wouldn't have been in that predicament to begin with....
Let this be yet another lesson in common sense: If you mouth off to a cop, you'll get harassed.....and if you continued to mouth off to them, you might get manhandled......
As for what cops get away with, anyone in any position of authority get away with a lot. Just look at Presidents, CEOs, politicians, our own fricken government voted themselves a 25% increase...anyone else get one of those lately?
Watch it again. The kid falls down, the kid tries to get up and the cop pushes his again. (There was no need as he had the kid's stakeboard.)tboy said:
It is different with kids. If it was an adult then it is different story.tboy said:
I have no idea how the other parents treat their kids. As for "manhandled"... the kid is not a man he is a boy/youth...tboy said:
We aren't taking about other people on a power trip. The thread is about the cop "manhandling" a kid when cop should have used his training and controlled his actions.tboy said:
I don't repect anyone who points their finger repeatedly when they speak. It doesn't matter what their job is, or who they are, or how old they are. People who are worthy of respect don't do that, ever, to anyone. That's what asshole cop did through the entire video. His deeds show him to be unworthy of the authority vested in him. It's a sad comment on the Baltimore Police Department that a man with such obvious moral flaws was ever given legal authority in the first place.
Kids should not be taught to respect their elders. Their elders should teach the kids to treat other people with the same amount of respect that's shown to them, because they are people, not because they are older, or because they make more money, or wear better clothes, or carry a badge. You can't expect to receive respect unless you show it first.
It's pretty well summed up by Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. It's called The Golden Rule. Variations can be found in most religions and philosophies. This particular wording doesn't appear in the Bible, but a close approximation, So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you... , appears in Matthew 7:12 of the New Testament. The guy who said that was known to crack wise from time to time. The local cops didn't care too much for his attitude, either.
There is no reason to be disrespectful to cops because they are cops, but there isn't a reason to respect the man wearing a police uniform, just because he has a gun and a badge and a uniform.
Kids should not be taught to respect their elders. Their elders should teach the kids to treat other people with the same amount of respect that's shown to them, because they are people, not because they are older, or because they make more money, or wear better clothes, or carry a badge. You can't expect to receive respect unless you show it first.
It's pretty well summed up by Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. It's called The Golden Rule. Variations can be found in most religions and philosophies. This particular wording doesn't appear in the Bible, but a close approximation, So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you... , appears in Matthew 7:12 of the New Testament. The guy who said that was known to crack wise from time to time. The local cops didn't care too much for his attitude, either.
There is no reason to be disrespectful to cops because they are cops, but there isn't a reason to respect the man wearing a police uniform, just because he has a gun and a badge and a uniform.
See, I think that attitude, and those of many parents these days, is the root of the problem. Sure they have "rights" and want to be treated like adults but when you do (or in this case the cop does) it's oh whoa is me, the poor wittle baby booboo.....hunter001 said:
Sorry, I won't try and convince you otherwise because you have your mind made up but a mouthy brat IMO got what was coming to him and to further what I mentioned before about the area I grew up in: If I had acted that way around the cops I would have at the very least, lost some teeth.....
What worries me most now is what did this kid learn? That the whole world is behind his actions and the big bad meanie cop will lose his job, or worse because of his big mouth. What'd that teach him? That bad behaviour is rewarded these days NOT punished.....
Yup, which is why we have youth crime at an all time high, teens committing armed robbery, and our schools and jails filled with teen criminals.....How can I say this? because bad behaviour is supported and when someone goes to teach a kid that there are consequences for his bad bahaviour THEY are punished, not the offender......hunter001 said:
Anyhow, if you think I'm totally wrong on this go to the facebook discussion group, it is filled with people saying the same thing I am: that kids today are taught that bad bahaviour is supported and punishment is a thing of the past....
I also wholeheartedly support the "scared straight" programs that are/were in place in many US cities but I guess people didn't like cons telling the kids how it is either.......
The kid was riding a skate board, not any of the above.tboy said:
You can "scare straight" a kid without "manhandling" them. The guy was on a power trip on over a minor issue. I am not sure having a cop going around intimidate kids is going to do anything other then spawn resentment for cops.
If you want to discuss the issue of youth crime that is a whole different thread.
Again you taking the discussion out of context. I am sure you can join facebook group that support just about any point of view... I believe facebook is about finding like minded individuals.tboy said:
Again it has nothing to do with a trained professional adult "manhandling" a kid.tboy said:
I know you are trying to link this to problem of society as a whole but as an individual incident it doesn't add up to more then a cop "manhandling" a kid.
I am done with this thread as I know you will continue to try to link this to the downfall of modern society.
