Asshole Cop with Inferiority Complex explodes

[tboy]

Sorry to see you stopping, I was quite enjoying this discussion....

But, as for youth crime, the kid WAS breaking the law by skateboarding where prohibited.

So, let's look at the progression here:
1) he skates wherever he wants to with no recourse and hey, no one can stop him because they might traumatize him.
2) Someone DOES stop him that teaches him that he can't do whatever he wants wherever he wants.
3) The other two kids were polite and STFU and we let off with nothing more than "don't skate here". The other mouthy kid starts talking back to the cop.
4) The cop does nothing, that teaches the kid that he can say whatever he wants to the cops and they can't do a thing about it. Oh yeah, that teaches him respect all right and to be a lawabiding citizen. Maybe all those adults who ended up getting tazered over a traffic stop were just like this kid?
5) The cop DOES something (like disobeying a police officer) and get's pushed to the ground. What does that teach you? When a cop tells you to do something, you do it..>EOS< But now, the cop is in trouble for his actions. That teaches the kid that you can do whatever you want, ignore the orders of a police officer, and disrespect them.....Oh yeah, that's a good lesson to teach him.....

Now I will tell you something: When I was 12ish I got caught stealing a nerf football at a store. (not a good idea in my neighbourhood) The cop who came to the store grabbed me by the lapels, dragged me out of the store and threw me into the back of the cop car. There (this is before there were plastic barriers) he leaned over the back of the seat and read me the riot act.

Did I steal again? HELL no. Even when I was out with buddies and they started pocketing things I bailed. Even when they broke into a local bakery I bailed....(I didn't know they were going to do it when we started out). They all ended up with criminal records and progressed to harder and bigger crimes.

Nope, sorry, the way I see from personal experience if anyone (cops, teachers, parents, neighbours) catches a kid doing something wrong and DOES SOMETHING ABOUT IT THAT LEAVES AN IMPRESSION I strongly feel that many teens, pre-teens, etc wouldn't go down the wrong path.

 

[bobistheowl]

Wearing a badge does not give a cop the right to break the laws he's sworn to uphold.

n addition to prosecuting law breakers, the legal system is also designed to protect the public from those who abuse authority. That's what the cop did. He exceeded the limits of what he is allowed to do. Why he did it is irrelevant.

He could give them as much tongue lashing as he wanted to, but when he used physical force, (and he was not defending himself from attack), he crossed the line. Whether or not his technique is effective or not is also irrelevant. He isn't allowed to do it that way.

Police might get more confessions if they were allowed to use torture, but they're not allowed to do that either. Yes, the cop has a job to do, but there are clearly defined rules as to how he can do the job, otherwise he is guilty of a greater crime than skateboarding in the wrong place. He doesn't seem to realize that it's not against the law to not be vocally subservient to a police officer. Citizens are not subordinate to law enforement officers. The cop had the right to issue a ticket, nothing more, because there was no criminal offense committed, other than his own.

There are many historical cases where police have been given authority without accountability. In all cases, the outcome has not been beneficial to society. It's called Fascism, and it's happened in Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, and just about every country in Central America except Costa Rica. If you don't think that can happen in North America, read the US Homelands Security Act. It always starts the same way. Certain individuals or groups are seen as a threat to the general public. Police are given greater powers to protect society, and as their powers increase, so, too, do their abuses. Personal liberties are like a garden. If you don't tend them, they wither and die. All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

 

[LateComer]

Here's another video starring officer Rivieri. This is one civil servant who takes his job a little too seriously.

http://www.collegepork.com/node/1443

 

[Mongrel4u]

what a loser

 

[tboy]

LOL yeah, that new tape wasn't edited in the least *rollseyes*

 

[Mongrel4u]

ok well thats not one but now TWO displays of this guys policing "fortitude"

 

[bobistheowl]

Not to mention all the times he's probably done this when no one had a video camera nearby. I'll bet he's hung like a hamster, and this is part of how his inferiority complex manifests itself. I wish there were a thousand cops like him, because there are a million cops like him.

Most cops are decent people, it's just that the nature of the job, where one has much authority and limited accountablity, attracts the wrong element, a lot of the time. I'm sure a lot of us would gladly accept a suspension WITH PAY, whenever we get it wrong in front of witnesses. When the internal investigation is completed, he'll probably get two Our Fathers and a Hail Mary.

 

[Jade4u]

I'd take what that cop said as death threats and insulting his mother and a that boy kept a mild tone at all times with that DUDE. If anyone is verbally abusing anyone it is that DUDE. Then he assulted that poor boy and threw him to the ground. I think that guy should be put on meds of some fashion. Maybe he forgot to steal his stash from some raids.

 

[ocean976124]

The kids ignored the officer who was telling them to stop illegally skateboarding. Then they continued to mouth off to him when they finally decided to pay attention. When he tried to take the skateboard away from the kid he refused to give it up.
The cop overreacted for sure, but the only physical interaction was because the kid refused to let go of his board.
I wouldn't say the cop was on a "powertrip", I'd say he was sick of dealing with mouthy teenagers and overreacted. Nothing that bad happened in this video.

 

[Mongrel4u]

The kids ignored the officer who was telling them to stop illegally skateboarding.

Well the kid said he didnt hear him the first time... which is fair

When he tried to take the skateboard away from the kid he refused to give it up.

He didnt try to take it.. he snatched it clean...you could tell he had that intent as soon as he took the first step towards him. I saw no struggle, aside from the cop getting him in a headlock and pushing him down for no reason

 

[ocean976124]

Well the kid said he didnt hear him the first time... which is fair

LOL, yeah sure. Are you serious? That's a classic teenage line. If you believe that one then I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you. They heard him, they just didn't feel like listening.

He didnt try to take it.. he snatched it clean...you could tell he had that intent as soon as he took the first step towards him. I saw no struggle, aside from the cop getting him in a headlock and pushing him down for no reason

The officer demands the skateboard and tries to take it and the kid hugs it and turns his body. That's when the officer yanks it from him and as the kid stumbles to the ground the cop tells him to stay sitting and the kid then tries to stand up and gets pushed back down.

This officer clearly acted inappropriately. But there's nothing to cause an uproar over in this video.

 

[bobistheowl]

He probably took the skateboard home, and gave it to his own kid, just like elementary school teachers do, when they catch kids reading comic books in class.

 

[LancsLad]

He probably took the skateboard home, and gave it to his own kid, just like elementary school teachers do, when they catch kids reading comic books in class.

I call foul on this post. it can't be true.

If you are talking about elementary schools in Ontario, there is No Way any kid knows how to read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[bobistheowl]

I call foul on this post. it can't be true.

If you are talking about elementary schools in Ontario, there is No Way any kid knows how to read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lancs...it's comic books. You know, pictures, with words in balloons, and a point to indicate who's talking. It isn't neccessary to understand all or most of the words. That's why there are pictures. My cat can understand most of the story in an Archie comic, but he'd much rather watch reruns of HBO's Oz. He kind of lost interest when they killed off Adebesi, though.

 

[elmufdvr]

haha the cop is a prick... i have delt with an officer with simmilar attitude... ask him how his security job is today... he was an exception...most officers i have delt with are good people doing a difficult job.. like in all professions there are a-holes that make the others look bad..

 

[tboy]

Ocean: don't even bother....Mongrel sees the eyes 100% of the kid (which we all know can do no wrong) and won't even consider that the kid brought it on himself.

Jade: The cop said nothing even remotely close to a death threat. If you think that is a death threat, man, be prepared for the worst when your kids hit their teens. If you don't discipline and control them now, you will end up with more trouble than you can handle then.

Once again, the cop went to take the skateboard away from the kid. It is plain to see the kid moved it away from the cop when he reached for it. The cop then (as all cops will do when someone is disobeying them) do whatever it took to accomplish his goal and the kid got knocked to the ground. EOS.

Once again:
1) If the kid wasn't breaking the law this never would have happened.
2) Like the other two, if he had stopped breaking the law when told to by a police officer, nothing would have happened
3) If he had treated the officer with respect nothing would have happened
4) If he had acted like the other two and STFU nothing would have happened.

As mentioned in the "buzz" thread: This is a perfect example of why some places need the mosquito machine. Look at how the brat acted towards a COP? How do you think he'd act towards a 55 yr old asian grocery store owner?

 

[LancsLad]

Lancs...it's comic books. You know, pictures, with words in balloons, and a point to indicate who's talking. It isn't neccessary to understand all or most of the words. That's why there are pictures. My cat can understand most of the story in an Archie comic, but he'd much rather watch reruns of HBO's Oz. He kind of lost interest when they killed off Adebesi, though.

I loved that show.

Never could figure out if his wool cap was stapled or glued to the side of his head.

I suppose you are right about the language content of comic books, but I still feel even that minimal amount would be above most Ontario school kids. Didn't your cat make it into the papers as scoring above the Ontario average on the Grade 3 std. tests???????

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[tboy]

I loved that show.

Never could figure out if his wool cap was stapled or glued to the side of his head.

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LOL I kept waiting for him to be motoring around the common area in a little tiny clown car going meep meep meep.....

(I could never figure out how they figured that looked "cool" either lol)

 

[Mongrel4u]

Ocean: don't even bother....Mongrel sees the eyes 100% of the kid (which we all know can do no wrong) and won't even consider that the kid brought it on himself.

LOL.. not THATS ironic (...and funny as hell). Saying I see things 100% for one side coming from a guy who is trying to defend someone who is clearly wrong; so wrong in fact, even his peers felt the need to suspend and investigate him based on the first video...NOW theres a SECOND video ; same guy, different occurrence. Kinda makes you wonder

you know where theres smoke theres usually fire

Once again, the cop went to take the skateboard away from the kid. It is plain to see the kid moved it away from the cop when he reached for it. The cop then (as all cops will do when someone is disobeying them) do whatever it took to accomplish his goal and the kid got knocked to the ground. EOS.

he lunged (sp?) at the kid...its instinct for anybody who is lunged at to recoil. He didnt demand the skateboard first.. he lunged at him. All he had to say is "hand over the skate board..now"

Once again:
1) If the kid wasn't breaking the law this never would have happened.
2) Like the other two, if he had stopped breaking the law when told to by a police officer, nothing would have happened
3) If he had treated the officer with respect nothing would have happened
4) If he had acted like the other two and STFU nothing would have happened.

1) Yes the kid was breaking the law...a minor law. Does this make him a bad kid? How many of us ever jay walked or speeded in our cars. does this make us bad and deserving to be mistreated? or roughed up?
The kid, like any of us deserves to get his fine and told too leave

2) Why is it such a stretch to believe that perhaps the kid didn't hear the cop? You know, just because one is a teenager doesn't necessarily make him "bad" or up to no good. Actually if you listen carefully, the cop asked him to take out his earphones in teh beginning so its very likely that he didnt hear.

There are good kids and bad ones...just like adults.

I really don't get the impression that these kids are bad or had ill intent. For what they were doing, they deserve a fine and told to leave; thats standard procedure....no special treatment there.

3) Its hard to respect someone who doesn't act like they deserve it...and even so what did the kid do that was so disrespectful. You cant explain anything to a cop or have a conversation??

4) Yeah but the cop was picking on him...its a hard comparison to make.

Look at how the brat acted towards a COP? How do you think he'd act towards a 55 yr old asian grocery store owner?

LMAO... what does a "55 year old asian grocer" have to do with a cop? uhhh.. respect is earned from your actions.


But you know its no surprise you have a disdainful view of teens. Its probably because you don't treat them with any sort of respect nor grant them any credit. I wouldn't respect someone like that either, how on earth could they?

 

[tboy]

Hey Mongrel? At least I openly stated that yes, the cop went a little too far, but did you ever say that about the kid?

Jesus you are blind aren't you? The cop SAID to the kid "give me your skateboard and the kid had it in front of him and when the cop reached for it the kid moved it away so the cop couldn't grab it.

1) Yes, breaking the law DOES make him a bad kid and yes, mouthing off to the cop enforces it.
2) If he heard or not, the second the cop started talking to him he should have a) taken his earphones out b) respectfully said: I'm sorry officer, I didn't hear you the first time, I won't do it again.
3) Dude DUDE DUDE DUDE even after the cop told him to stop calling him that and all the back talk.
4) NO the cop was NOT picking on him until he started backtalking. In fact it appeared the cop was in his car about to drive away.....

Respect: sorry, no, I live by the adage: respect your elders. No, kids do NOT automatically garner respect. Respect must be earned and yet again, the other two kids in the video obviously also live by that adage and got away with a verbal warning.

You said it yourself: respect is earned by your actions: the kid was breaking the law therefore is automatically IN THE WRONG.

As for my view of teens: You see, I remember what it was like when I was a teenager and the way I treated people. I also see how many (not all) teens treat parents, parents friends, teachers, etc. Now not all act this way, but I find it funny how whenever some problem with a teen hits the news or Youtube usually it is the teen that was doing something wrong to begin with which brought about the actions caught on video. However you NEVER hear boo about that fact, you only ever hear about how the poor poor brat got beat up by the bad bad cop.

As I stated in the other forum: if that kid had an ounce of respect and an ounce of intelligence, the whole thing could have been avoided.

BTW Mongrel: I sure hope you back talk like that to the next cop that pulls you over for speeding...I really really do.