According to the video clip in the link in post #5 the cyclist was going south, the first car east and second car west.
Another Cyclist Murdered
- Thread starter Rockslinger
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Thanks. Glad to see there are still guys on this Board who can post comments without going all berserk.
if they are on the road they are part of the highway traffic act regardless of location. i would like to see the law that says things don't apply according to age and location. if they don't know the rules of the road they shouldn't be on the road. ignorance of the law is no excuse.
licensing and training and insurance for cyclists should be mandatory, just like it is for cars.
The cyclist may have mistimed the lights.
Going south is going down a steep hill into the lights and into an advance green for the opposite direction (north). Perhaps he ran the red thinking the advance green was about to go or change, though he was fatally wrong in any event.
But why did the driver of the first van hit and then run away?
Going south is going down a steep hill into the lights and into an advance green for the opposite direction (north). Perhaps he ran the red thinking the advance green was about to go or change, though he was fatally wrong in any event.
But why did the driver of the first van hit and then run away?
Agreed but I would extend this to all Ontarians. Driving in America is stressless compared to the jerks, dolts a-holes, soccer moms on the phone while doing their mascara and yelling at the kids in the back seat to shut up because I'm on the phone that you find here.
The worst drivers in the gta are the greasy little effs who drive their souped-up civics and generally 3 series bmw owners.
The BEST drivers in the world are GO bus drivers, you never ever hear of them getting into accidents nors incidents.
I saw a video on CP 24 this morning of a taxi and a Honda colliding with each other at the exact same corner. Appears they were both going pretty fast. Wonder how fast the SUV was going when it hit the cyclist?
I would imagine since he hit two vehicles, it would be very difficult to determine that, unless the driver's vehicle has a device which recorded after the collision... I'll let a car guy state what that is I can't for the life of me recall what those are called, or if they came with that model of car.
The first van must have hit with a lot of force because it threw the victim (maybe 150 to 200 pounds?) into the oncoming lane to be struck by a vehicle coming from the opposite direction. CSI could probably reconstruct the accident.
Was there a cyclist involved in this morning's accident with the taxi and honda? Or your just trying to find some plausible way to automatically blame the driver on the other accident.
I see so your guessing the accident Friday was speed like you suspect this second one was a factor.
Force is not just a product of velocity, but of Mass, something a minivan has plenty of.
Cyclists are not without fault...
I'm sorry but I am getting tired of the automatic assumption when there is an accident involving a cyclist that the driver of the vehicle is/was at fault.
For every 10 cyclists that I see when driving, usually HALF are not following the rules of the road or municipal bylaws (ie riding on the sidewalk). They travel on the wrong side of the road facing traffic, ignore traffic signs, red lights, one way streets, stop signs, ride through crosswalks, cross streets in the middle, the list goes on.
So rather than prejudging what happened, I wish that everyone would wait for the accident investigation before deciding that the big bad car/van/SUV driver was obviously at fault.
Oh, and Rockslinger, even if the vehicle driver was at fault, it would be characterized as "vehicular manslaughter" not murder.
I'm sorry but I am getting tired of the automatic assumption when there is an accident involving a cyclist that the driver of the vehicle is/was at fault.
For every 10 cyclists that I see when driving, usually HALF are not following the rules of the road or municipal bylaws (ie riding on the sidewalk). They travel on the wrong side of the road facing traffic, ignore traffic signs, red lights, one way streets, stop signs, ride through crosswalks, cross streets in the middle, the list goes on.
So rather than prejudging what happened, I wish that everyone would wait for the accident investigation before deciding that the big bad car/van/SUV driver was obviously at fault.
Oh, and Rockslinger, even if the vehicle driver was at fault, it would be characterized as "vehicular manslaughter" not murder.
Thanks for the clarification. I didn't remember the actual legal term at the time I posted the thread so I used the catch-all murder word. I think "vehicular another legal term.
The actual charge is
Mr. Oliveira turned himself in at Toronto police 11 Division station Saturday night around 9 p.m., more than 36 hours after the incident. He is charged with failing to stop at the scene of an accident causing death.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...imself-in-after-cyclist-death/article5644695/
Mr. Oliveira turned himself in at Toronto police 11 Division station Saturday night around 9 p.m., more than 36 hours after the incident. He is charged with failing to stop at the scene of an accident causing death.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...imself-in-after-cyclist-death/article5644695/
