Amnesty International - Gaza Strikes a war crime
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Sure. Just like the way tensions were "diffused" when Israel ended its occupation of Gaza in 2005.By allowing Palestinians who WANT peace, and don't want to be Israeli citizens to immigrate, Israel would gradually diffuse tensions and hatred.
You mean when they fled and handed Hamas a military victory? And then allowed them to take over the whole place?Sure. Just like the way tensions were "diffused" when Israel ended its occupation of Gaza in 2005.
The problem really was the Balfour Declaration. It pretty much laid bare what the Zionists were working towards. Once the Balfour declaration was made, what would you think if you were an Arab, especially after you had already been shafted by the Sykes Picot agreement. How in this context was it really possible to work with the Jews and to what end? Why would it not be possible for the population to double in 25 years? Arabs are will known for having many kids, if each family has 5 kids, population would easily double.You should really try reading your own link as well as looking at the attacks on the ancient Jewish (non-zionist) communities in Hebron and Jerusalem in the early 20th century and you can actually get close to the truth instead of trying to pick a sentence out you think you like. Early in the page it talks about Jews trying to work with Arab leaders towards self government but instead the Arab leadership promoted violence.
It then goes on to discuss the Arab revolt.
I know you say having farmland and property destroyed and being chased from your land are justification for attacking civilians so what do you say about this little bit from your link?
I guess you now support the actions of the Jewish terrorist groups of that period.
And of course when Jews legally bought land from the legal Arab owner, the previous tenants were usually told to leave.
And yes, there was massive Arab immigration as well during the Mandate period. The Arab population more than doubled during those 25 years which would be impossible from natural growth. Not too long ago I was reading about how the PA's lead negotiator's family moved from Saudi Arabia to Jordan and Palestine around the start of the 20th century. Seems he has no more right there than the Jewish immigrants.
As you can see the fix was already in: "The 1922 Palestine Order in Council[15] established a Legislative Council, which was to consist of 23 members; 12 elected, 10 appointed and the High Commissioner.[16] Of the 12 elected members, eight were to be Muslim Arabs, two Christian Arabs and two Jews.[17] Arabs protested against the distribution of the seats, arguing that as they constituted 88% of the population, having only 43% of the seats was unfair.[17] Elections were held in February and March 1923, but due to an Arab boycott, the results were annulled and a 12-member Advisory Council was established.[16]"
Here is a tally of immigration into the Palestine Mandate, as you can see the amount of Arab immigration was miniscule. The is very little written about it as there was very little of it, compared to Jewish immigration.
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Books/Story835.html
Did the Jews buy the land legally? Or through coercion. So you think if a bunch or poor arabs who have farmed land for generations and someone acquires their land through corrupt means and forces them off, you don't expect violence? Being pushed of your land in those times was a death sentence. I suppose we can see Israels "land acquisition methodology" at work today, it has not changed much. Don't try and sugar coat it, you know those arabs refused to move, and then force was used to move them.
Little by little you are starting to admit all the dirty stuff that does not make it into the big picture discussion. Its the dirty little details that paint the true picture. The arabs acted like any other people would act in the same situation.
So what, how does that change things? Does that mean the agnostics have a right to displace the Jews? Where does this bizzare sense of entitlement come from. Are you going to give all your Canadian property back to the Natives? I have issues with how Israel was established. But to me those issues are in the past. More important on what happens in the future.And if you want more fun facts, judaism originates from the area of Palestine and Islam from around Mecca, current day Saudi Arabia.
No, that's easy. But you don't seem to comprehend that I asked you when birth of Judaism was. So, let's have some fun with facts. When was it?Before Christianity and Islam, that too hard for you to comprehend?
You've got that in reverse. Defending yourself against an illegal occupation and ethnic cleansing is not a crime.Defending yourself from Arab attacks is not a "crime."
Holiest site? The Temple Mount doesn't exist anymore and it hasn't for close to 2000 years. It's only the Jewish Taliban that long for it.In Saudi control, it is illegal for anyone but Muslims to go to Mecca. Under Israeli control, people of all religions visit Jerusalem and Israel has even ceded control over Judaism's holiest site in order to encourage peace with Arab nations.
Since you're incompetent and can't seem to find it yourself after I asked you if you knew, Judaism dates back to about 2000 b.c.e. while Islam dates to 622 ce.No, that's easy. But you don't seem to comprehend that I asked you when birth of Judaism was. So, let's have some fun with facts. When was it?
The temple mount certainly exists, you do realize that the Dome of the Rock is on it? Or that the Western Wall is from one of the two temples that was destroyed...? The temple mount is the holiest site in the Jewish religion.Holiest site? The Temple Mount doesn't exist anymore and it hasn't for close to 2000 years. It's only the Jewish Taliban that long for it.
No, lazy is when you can't substantiate your own claims. Which you've not done again. Give the source for the 2000 b.c.e claim.Since you're incompetent and can't seem to find it yourself after I asked you if you knew, Judaism dates back to about 2000 b.c.e. while Islam dates to 622 ce.
The temple mount certainly exists, you do realize that the Dome of the Rock is on it? Or that the Western Wall is from one of the two temples that was destroyed...? The temple mount is the holiest site in the Jewish religion.
No, my little fanatic it, does not exist. The Dome of the Rock is not on it. It was destroyed 2000 years ago. There are some remnants, but that's all.
The Dome of the Rock (Arabic: قبة الصخرة, translit.: Qubbat As-Sakhrah, Hebrew: כיפת הסלע, translit.: Kipat Hasela) is a shrine located on the Temple Mount in the Old City of Jerusalem. taken right from Wikipedia... also, quit calling me a fanatic, I may be Jewish, but I didn't marry a Jew and I don't attend synagogue. I'm a person who believes that Israel has a right to exist and who actually wants to see a two state solution. You're much closer to a fanatic then I and most people on here with your belief that the murder of innocent civilians is justifiable.
No, lazy is when you can't substantiate your own claims. Which you've not done again. Give the source for the 2000 b.c.e claim.
Formed: Though the Jewish calendar goes back more than 5000 years, most scholars date the beginning of the religion of the Israelites to their forefather in faith, Abraham, whose life is generally dated to circa 2000-1800 B.C.E. taken from http://www.patheos.com/Library/Judaism.html amongst other sites that all have the same date and statement. You're pathetic.
You mean the Wikipedia page that says The Dome of the Rock was built on the "site" of the Second Temple...you know, the one that was destroyed 2000 years ago.The Dome of the Rock (Arabic: قبة الصخرة, translit.: Qubbat As-Sakhrah, Hebrew: כיפת הסלע, translit.: Kipat Hasela) is a shrine located on the Temple Mount in the Old City of Jerusalem. taken right from Wikipedia... also, quit calling me a fanatic, I may be Jewish, but I didn't marry a Jew and I don't attend synagogue. I'm a person who believes that Israel has a right to exist and who actually wants to see a two state solution. You're much closer to a fanatic then I and most people on here with your belief that the murder of innocent civilians is justifiable.
Holiest site? The Temple Mount doesn't exist anymore and it hasn't for close to 2000 years. It's only the Jewish Taliban that long for it.
Remember when you said the Temple Mount doesn't exist? You do know the difference between the Temple Mount and a Temple right? You can't actually be this stupid can you? The Dome of the rock sits on part of the temple mount, and one of the walls of the temple that was their still stands.
Hence the reference to the Holiest SITE in Judaism.You mean the Wikipedia page that says The Dome of the Rock was built on the "site" of the Second Temple...you know, the one that was destroyed 2000 years ago.
Guess what... the Twin Towers don't exist anymore, but that SITE is still THERE, and very important to many many people.
How stupid and pathetic can you get?
For a second I thought I was having an aneurysm when I read his post. But I'm glad that someone else's post confirmed my lucidity.Remember when you said the Temple Mount doesn't exist? You do know the difference between the Temple Mount and a Temple right? You can't actually be this stupid can you? The Dome of the rock sits on part of the temple mount, and one of the walls of the temple that was their still stands.
Oh, and PS... I love the rhetorical question about his intellect. We all know the answer, so the irony is delicious.
