Amnesty International - Gaza Strikes a war crime

[basketcase]

61000 out of 64000 left, ....

And those who chose to stay received exactly what Israel promised.

From Whalid Khalidi, the terms Haganah offered

The Arab Emergency Committee thereupon asked Stockwell what the truce
conditions were. Stockwell disappeared and, according to Saad, “ten minutes
later returned with a printed copy of the Jewish conditions.” These were (as
retranslated from Arabic):
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1. All military equipment and weapons to be handed over within three
hours at (a list of places follows).
2. All foreign males to be surrendered within 24 hours in order to be
repatriated under Haganah supervision.
3. All Nazis and Europeans in Arab ranks to be surrendered. [There were in
fact none.]
4. The military equipment in (1) to be handed over to the British but later
to be handed over by the British to the Haganah before May 15.
5. A 24-hour curfew during which Arab houses would be searched for
arms.
6. The trial of all persons possessing arms after that.
7. The removal of all road blocks and obstacles in the Arab quarters.
8. After the curfew things to go back to normal, and the Arabs to become
citizens with the same rights as the Jews.
9. All further meetings between the two sides [i.e., Arab and Jewish] to be
held at the Town Hall
http://moodle.technion.ac.il/file.php/2319/HAIFA_downtown2012/haifa_histories/out_3_.pdf

 

[nottyboi]

Yet you put huge amounts of energy into defending 'worse'.

And yes, from a moral view, kind of bad is a moral high ground over far worse.

Where have I defended the Palis? I generally mostly call Israel on the carpet for its misdeeds.

 

[nottyboi]

And those who chose to stay received exactly what Israel promised.

From Whalid Khalidi, the terms Haganah offered

The Arab Emergency Committee thereupon asked Stockwell what the truce
conditions were. Stockwell disappeared and, according to Saad, “ten minutes
later returned with a printed copy of the Jewish conditions.” These were (as
retranslated from Arabic):
35
1. All military equipment and weapons to be handed over within three
hours at (a list of places follows).
2. All foreign males to be surrendered within 24 hours in order to be
repatriated under Haganah supervision.
3. All Nazis and Europeans in Arab ranks to be surrendered. [There were in
fact none.]
4. The military equipment in (1) to be handed over to the British but later
to be handed over by the British to the Haganah before May 15.
5. A 24-hour curfew during which Arab houses would be searched for
arms.
6. The trial of all persons possessing arms after that.
7. The removal of all road blocks and obstacles in the Arab quarters.
8. After the curfew things to go back to normal, and the Arabs to become
citizens with the same rights as the Jews.
9. All further meetings between the two sides [i.e., Arab and Jewish] to be
held at the Town Hall
http://moodle.technion.ac.il/file.php/2319/HAIFA_downtown2012/haifa_histories/out_3_.pdf

Why then did they start destroying abandoned arab property and ransacking arab homes? I guess that is what they meant by search. You have a document, no proof it was adhered to, and history shows it was not.

 

[basketcase]

Where have I defended the Palis? .

Have you ever read you posts?

 

[nottyboi]

Yes, THE issue is most Palestinian factions are more interested in personal wealth and destroying Israel than they are in building a state.

That may be true, but by the same token there are factions in Israel that are more interested in personal wealth then peace as well.

 

[nottyboi]

Have you ever read you posts?

They only sound that way when you are a rabid arab hater.

 

[nottyboi]

I guess I missed the part where Israel sent millions of Arabs to the gas chambers.

But if you insist on using this idiotic analogy, let me point out something to you: Hitler and the Nazis lost the war.

Israel won its wars. Yet, Israel has a significant Arab population and there have been Arabs in the Knesset ever since the first elections in 1949.



Nonsense.

To try to advance the peace process, Israel ended its occupation in 2005 and also evacuated four settlements in the West Bank.

Soldiers and settlers were removed from Gaza. The borders were opened up to commerce. Three-thousand greenhouses were left behind and private donors raised millions of dollars to purchase the profitable greenhouses for the Palestinians. In fact, James Wolfensohn, the former president of the World Bank, contributed $500,000 of his own money towards the purchase of the greenhouses.

Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas called it an historic and joyful day for his people.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4235768.stm

Israel wanted the Palestinians in Gaza to succeed.

Unfortunately, rather than building a prosperous economy, the Palestinians built terror tunnels.

Bah whatever, all the produce from those green houses rotted because the Israelis blockaded them and prevented them from getting to market. I saw video of tomatoes just being bulldozed because of this. Also the ports and airport were all blockaded so it was yet another kick in the balls.

You can read about the whole debacle here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gush_Katif

so please stop spreading your pathetic propaganda.

 

[basketcase]

Why then did they start destroying abandoned arab property and ransacking arab homes? I guess that is what they meant by search. You have a document, no proof it was adhered to, and history shows it was not.

Because of attacks on Jews from Arab properties. That's the kind of stuff that happens in wars.

Could have been ended instantly if the Syrian Arab leadership in Haifa wanted and there would have been 60,000 more Israeli citizens.

 

[basketcase]

That may be true, but by the same token there are factions in Israel that are more interested in personal wealth then peace as well.

A clear minority. You would have a better argument claiming there are factions in Israel that put religion ahead of a two state peace.

Of course the difference is that you are trying once again to compare fringe Israeli groups to Palestinian government.

 

[basketcase]

They only sound that way when you are a rabid arab hater.

So they should sound that way to you. I'm not the one who considers Palestinians to be animals.

 

[destillat]

Bah whatever, all the produce from those green houses rotted because the Israelis blockaded them and prevented them from getting to market. I saw video of tomatoes just being bulldozed because of this. Also the ports and airport were all blockaded so it was yet another kick in the balls.

You can read about the whole debacle here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gush_Katif

so please stop spreading your pathetic propaganda.

Directly from your link:

Originally, the Israeli cabinet had planned to destroy synagogues in the settlement, but the government caved in to pressure from religious Jewish organizations and reversed its decision.[26][27] However, most of the synagogues were destroyed by Palestinian mobs immediately after the evacuation. Abu Abir, a member of the Popular Resistance Committees terrorist organization, commented that "The looting and burning of the synagogues was a great joy...It was in an unplanned expression of happiness that these synagogues were destroyed." Later, in 2007, it was reported that "The ruins of two large synagogues in Gush Katif, the evacuated Jewish communities of the Gaza Strip, have been transformed into a military base used by Palestinian groups to fire rockets at Israeli cities and train for attacks against the Jewish state, according to a senior terror leader in Gaza.

 

[destillat]

More, directly from your link:

In July 2014 Israel experienced the effects of the disengagement and Hamas coming to power which resulted in Operation Protective Edge as Israel sought to protect its residents from the barrage of rockets fired from Gaza; destroyed a network of tunnels aimed at Israel's southern communities; and targeted Hamas bases some of which were located where Gush Katif once stood.[32] Many politicians and journalists realized the connection between the Israeli 2005 withdrawal and the Hamas takeover. Some even apologised for not realizing this would happen and doing enough to prevent it.[33]

At the time of the Gush Katif withdrawal, Israeli authorities destroyed all the Jewish residents' homes. All public buildings (schools, libraries, community centres, office buildings) as well as industrial buildings, factories and greenhouses were left intact. Palestinians dismantled most of what remained, scavenging for cement, rebar and other construction materials. There had been an intense public conflict regarding the many public structures and synagogues in Gush Katif. "Many asserted that the buildings must be destroyed in order to ensure that they would not be used by terrorist organizations in the future. The fate of many of the area’s synagogues was also discussed at that time".[34] Initially, the government was for demolishing the synagogues and was adamant that the highcourts shouldn't intervene. However, later they changed their mind. "Limor Livnat suggested involving UNESCO, with the hopes they would declare Gush Katif synagogues as official World Heritage Sites".[34] The synagogues were left intact, as the IDF didn't wish to destroy holy sites and hoped that the Palestinians would respect these buildings. However, the Palestinians set fire to the buildings,[35] and the images shocked the nation.

 

[Moviefan-2]

Bah whatever, all the produce from those green houses rotted because the Israelis blockaded them and prevented them from getting to market. I saw video of tomatoes just being bulldozed because of this. Also the ports and airport were all blockaded so it was yet another kick in the balls.

You can read about the whole debacle here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gush_Katif

so please stop spreading your pathetic propaganda.

Nice try. The blockades were put in place after Hamas used the open borders to escalate its terrorist attacks on Israel.

The reality is that Palestinians in Gaza had an opportunity to create a prosperous economy for themselves. But too many of them preferred to focus on their hatred of Jews -- and the opportunity was squandered.

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/07/22/stop-the-jew-hatred-and-build-palestine

As basketcase has noted, the only ones who have prospered are the Hamas leaders.

 

[happ]

WHY IS AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL ATTACKING THE HARPER GOVERNMENT WHEN CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS AREN'T ALLOWED TO IN ORDER TO RECEIVE NON-TAXABLE STATUS. ITS BECAUSE LIKE MOST NON-PROFITS THAT YOU SHOULDN'T DONATE TO THEY ARE A FRONT FOR THE GREEDY LIBERAL UNIONS WHO HAVE UNIONIZED MOST OF THE BIG CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS e.g. union striking the united way. BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU GIVE YOU MAY BE SUPPORTING A CAUSE THAT IS WORKING AGAINST YOU SUCH AS AMNESTY WHICH IS SUPPORTING TERRORISTS IN GAZA.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/news/amnesty-international-canada/

 

[destillat]

WHY IS AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL ATTACKING THE HARPER GOVERNMENT WHEN CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS AREN'T ALLOWED TO IN ORDER TO RECEIVE NON-TAXABLE STATUS. ITS BECAUSE LIKE MOST NON-PROFITS THAT YOU SHOULDN'T DONATE TO THEY ARE A FRONT FOR THE GREEDY LIBERAL UNIONS WHO HAVE UNIONIZED MOST OF THE BIG CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS. BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU GIVE YOU MAY BE SUPPORTING A CAUSE THAT IS WORKING AGAINST YOU SUCH AS AMNESTY WHICH IS SUPPORTING TERRORISTS IN GAZA.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/news/amnesty-international-canada/

Sorry, I couldn't hear you.

 

[nottyboi]

Because of attacks on Jews from Arab properties. That's the kind of stuff that happens in wars.

Could have been ended instantly if the Syrian Arab leadership in Haifa wanted and there would have been 60,000 more Israeli citizens.

No that was not the reason for it. It was not demolitions in the midst of battle, it was a legislated instruction to demolish arab buildings, and redistribute arab property to Jews. No mention of attacks, after all this was right in Haifa.

 

[fuji]

Another point I want to make about this, they give written assurances and then they see the paramilitaries destroying the property of their former neighbors and ransacking their property with full govt authorization. So FUUUUUUJI if you were an Arab and you saw this happening WHAT THE FUCK would YOU think is gonna happen? Man your stupidity runneth over. :Eek:

There you go again, dodging the truth that you just can't stand to admit. Those who stayed kept their property and were unharmed. Israel lived up to its written promise. Contrary to the lies and bullshit told by people like you, Arabs who chose to stay in Israel were well treated as full citizens.

 

[fuji]

Bah whatever, all the produce from those green houses rotted because the Israelis blockaded them and prevented them from getting to market. I saw video of tomatoes just being bulldozed because of this. Also the ports and airport were all blockaded so it was yet another kick in the balls.

You can read about the whole debacle here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gush_Katif

so please stop spreading your pathetic propaganda.

Palestinians have too much food and didn't need the output of those greenhouses?

OK.

 

[basketcase]

No that was not the reason for it. It was not demolitions in the midst of battle, it was a legislated instruction to demolish arab buildings, and redistribute arab property to Jews. No mention of attacks, after all this was right in Haifa.

Bullshit. Even the Khalidi source I linked disagrees with you.