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tiberius6675

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neither should being non-white

people have very unique profile and life experiences
and these experiences are not race dependent
Being a minority automatically adds something unique to your profile. Because they are the minority. That's the whole point of calling them a minority, meaning that they are not as common.
 

tiberius6675

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if Affirmative action students also score A or A-, then there is absolutly no need for affirmative action
This is where you are wrong. Affirmative action is to counter racial bias and ensure everyone's inclusion, without which minorities will get left out. It has nothing to do with admitting students who score less etc., As I also mentioned scores are not the only determining criteria for admissions. You put all that together, affirmative action or not, everyone admitted deserves to be there.

The fact that you don't understand this, makes the rest of your post irrelevant.
 
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JohnLarue

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This is where you are wrong. Affirmative action is to counter racial bias and ensure everyone's inclusion, without which minorities will get left out.
re-branding a pig part by calling it tenderloin does not change the fact its a pig part

Average marks for one student is B-
Average marks for another student is A

there is zero racial bias as you can not distinguish race based on marks alone

It has nothing to do with admitting students who score less etc.,
sure it does

that is exactly what is the action in Affirmative action


As I also mentioned scores are not the only determining criteria for admissions. You put all that together, affirmative action or not, everyone admitted deserves to be there.
Admission is capped for most programs
affirmative action overrides marks criteria to admit affirmative action students
by definition a non-affirmative action student must have their application rejected for each affirmative action,
everyone who deserves to be there is not admitted

if minority student marks are top tier , they get in & no affirmative action is required at all
if there are not capacity issues for a program , then all applying should get in & no affirmative action is required at all

why you are incapable of understanding this is bewildering

The fact that you don't understand this, makes the rest of your post irrelevant.
i understand very well
The fact that you are willing to ignore the discrimination in affirmative action makes your position a
hypocrisy
 

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Being a minority automatically adds something unique to your profile. Because they are the minority. That's the whole point of calling them a minority, meaning that they are not as common.
skin pigmentation has absolutely nothing to do with a persons character

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mi·nor·i·ty
the smaller number or part, especially a number that is less than half the whole number.
 

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Darts

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I am a firm believer in affirmative action in track.

I challenge Usain Bolt to a 100 metre race. Bolt will start at 0 metre and I'll start at the 95 metre mark. It's only fair.
 

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I am a firm believer in affirmative action in track.

I challenge Usain Bolt to a 100 metre race. Bolt will start at 0 metre and I'll start at the 95 metre mark. It's only fair.
Yeah, you'd pull a charlie horse at 98 meters and still blame Usain.
 

JohnLarue

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There is no racial bias in affirmative action.
selecting a student for admission based on his / her skin color is racial bias
rejecting a student for admission based on his / her skin color is racial bias

affirmative action does both
 

tiberius6675

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Yes, yes, the data - sometimes called evidence - absolutely shows no selection for racial bias.

But please, feel free to show evidence to back up your opinion. (despite the US SC stating that AA is racial bias)

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As I said many times before, race is one of many factors in an admissions decision. Not the only factor. If it was the only factor, you could argue discrimination. But it is not. It is the entire package. Affirmative action only ensures that when searching for qualified people, for a certain number of seats, they search from certain specific groups. The ones who qualify are just as deserving to be there as anyone else. You and John Larue are racists, so you will never see it for what it is. And I have no interest in engaging with racist drivel.
 

JohnLarue

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My response did not mention anything about the person's character.
if marks are an insufficient admission criteria, the next logical criteria is character
as per Dr. king character judgement is independent of race

an "unique profile " is but a presentation of a persons character
as per Dr. king character judgement is independent of race

you need to start understanding the best way to reduce racism is to stop defining people by race

2000 applicants to a program, with a capacity of 500
the top 500 best set of marks gets in, independent of race
 
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JohnLarue

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As I said many times before, race is one of many factors in an admissions decision. Not the only factor. If it was the only factor, you could argue discrimination. But it is not. It is the entire package. Affirmative action only ensures that when searching for qualified people, for a certain number of seats, they search from certain specific groups. The ones who qualify are just as deserving to be there as anyone else.
if race is a factor in any way shape or form , it is discriminatory

Again the objective is to eliminate discrimination

You and John Larue are racists, so you will never see it for what it is. And I have no interest in engaging with racist drivel.
and once again a loony lefty runs out of factual arguments, defaults to calling anyone who opposes him as a racist and then runs away
this must be mandatory training be in the Lonny left playbook as it happens over and over again

you are an ideologue, incapable of taking an objective view and drilling down into issues
shoo .... run away now
 

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I can assure our wokie friends that their fear of U of T being overrun by white students is completely unfounded.

My university roommate's daughter is currently attending the U of T and she confirms that the majority of the students in her classes are non-white. Plus, I often drive her to and from school and I can see with my own eyes that the majority of the students are non-white.
 
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