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John_Jacob

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The US military doesn't recruit applicants with an IQ of less than 83 because such folks are incapable of learning and performing the necessary duties of the job. In fact they become a detriment and danger to themselves and others.
Background via McNamara's Morons

Clear data. Wait, I think data & evidence is offensive no?
 

John_Jacob

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It [EQ] is a much more reliable indicator of success.
Prove this with evidence. Scientific studies etc..

It's pretty damn hard to say EQ is a reliable indicator of success when you yourself said, "You are correct that EQ cannot be scientifically measured".

Einstein, "indicators" are measurable. You know that right? Yet you say EQ is a 'reliable' (somehow without being measured) 'indictor' (that always changes because...cannot be measured).

Do you even read what you write or are you just happy being complete out to lunch?
 
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JohnLarue

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There is no racial bias in affirmative action.
selecting a student for admission based on his / her skin color is racial bias
rejecting a student for admission based on his / her skin color is racial bias

affirmative action does both
 

John_Jacob

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They are not doing that.
Yes, yes, the data - sometimes called evidence - absolutely shows no selection for racial bias.

But please, feel free to show evidence to back up your opinion. (despite the US SC stating that AA is racial bias)

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tiberius6675

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Yes, yes, the data - sometimes called evidence - absolutely shows no selection for racial bias.

But please, feel free to show evidence to back up your opinion. (despite the US SC stating that AA is racial bias)

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As I said many times before, race is one of many factors in an admissions decision. Not the only factor. If it was the only factor, you could argue discrimination. But it is not. It is the entire package. Affirmative action only ensures that when searching for qualified people, for a certain number of seats, they search from certain specific groups. The ones who qualify are just as deserving to be there as anyone else. You and John Larue are racists, so you will never see it for what it is. And I have no interest in engaging with racist drivel.
 

John_Jacob

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If it was the only factor, you could argue discrimination. But it is not.
No. Selection for immutable traits like race as part of ANY package is discrimination. Minimizing it does not change that fact.

Plus, I have the data to back up my opinion that race IS the primary determinant given the wide disparities in the Harvard selection process. What do you have to back up or provide evidence for your opinion? Nothing.

Your argument is so weak you throw out charges of racism merely because you see disagreement. Very intellectual.
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JohnLarue

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My response did not mention anything about the person's character.
if marks are an insufficient admission criteria, the next logical criteria is character
as per Dr. king character judgement is independent of race

an "unique profile " is but a presentation of a persons character
as per Dr. king character judgement is independent of race

you need to start understanding the best way to reduce racism is to stop defining people by race

2000 applicants to a program, with a capacity of 500
the top 500 best set of marks gets in, independent of race
 
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JohnLarue

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As I said many times before, race is one of many factors in an admissions decision. Not the only factor. If it was the only factor, you could argue discrimination. But it is not. It is the entire package. Affirmative action only ensures that when searching for qualified people, for a certain number of seats, they search from certain specific groups. The ones who qualify are just as deserving to be there as anyone else.
if race is a factor in any way shape or form , it is discriminatory

Again the objective is to eliminate discrimination

You and John Larue are racists, so you will never see it for what it is. And I have no interest in engaging with racist drivel.
and once again a loony lefty runs out of factual arguments, defaults to calling anyone who opposes him as a racist and then runs away
this must be mandatory training be in the Lonny left playbook as it happens over and over again

you are an ideologue, incapable of taking an objective view and drilling down into issues
shoo .... run away now
 

Darts

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I can assure our wokie friends that their fear of U of T being overrun by white students is completely unfounded.

My university roommate's daughter is currently attending the U of T and she confirms that the majority of the students in her classes are non-white. Plus, I often drive her to and from school and I can see with my own eyes that the majority of the students are non-white.
 
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Darts

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"U of T’s international population also demonstrates racial diversity. Students from more than 170 countries and regions are enrolled in the university, with greater international enrolment in first-entry undergrad programs, at UTSG, and at UTM. U of T’s international enrolment percentage, 28.8 per cent, is similar to that of other Canadian universities."

McGill's current target is 30%. It was 15% when I was there.
 

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JohnLarue

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I agree. There should be no consideration other than merit. That includes legacies, daddy donations, sports, volunteer hours etc.
that is a idealistic position & a little difficult position to argue against

be sure to consider
in the USA , eliminating legacy admissions will reduce Alumni donations , which is huge in the USA
eliminating sports admissions would put $ billions at risk for the NCAA

reduced scholarships, & reduced $ for faculty, research & facilities & likely fewer overall admissions

there is a cost for everything desired
 

JohnLarue

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"U of T’s international population also demonstrates racial diversity. Students from more than 170 countries and regions are enrolled in the university, with greater international enrolment in first-entry undergrad programs, at UTSG, and at UTM. U of T’s international enrolment percentage, 28.8 per cent, is similar to that of other Canadian universities."

McGill's current target is 30%. It was 15% when I was there.

that is driven by revenue
international tuition is significantly higher vs domestic tuition

Tuition fees by university - Universities Canada (univcan.ca)




UniversityUndergraduate - Canadian StudentsUndergraduate - Foreign StudentsGraduate - Canadian StudentsGraduate - Foreign Students

McGill University$2,797 - $8,730$19,886 - $31,500$2,797 - $8,730$17,193 - $27,011


University of Toronto$6,100 - $11,760$41,540 - $61,350$6,210 - $10,350$6,210 - $43,990
 
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