A Kinder, Gentler 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs thread

[Darts]

the jurors form their opinions and judge the accused based on circumstantial or superficial evidence and the accused is put into a difficult position where he has to defend himself by explaining.

The same standard then should also be applied to the accuser. Let say someone were to accuse you of something nefarious. Doesn't the accuser have to defend his or her accusation?
BTW: Many cases of false accusations do end up in a court of law.

Anyway, I posted some TERB rules in the post just before yours.

 

[gcostanza]

" No abuse, name calling, derogatory statements or insults that are not OBVIOUSLY given and received with good humor will be tolerated."

Serious question:

Mr. Darts, sir, this will apply to all members?
I shall patiently await a reply, sir.

 

[shack]

I don't have to say anything.

In Canada, the onus is on the accuser (that means you Shack) to prove beyond reasonable doubt that your allegation/accusation is valid. Anything less is Character Defamation.

This is not a court of law.

To prove defamation you have to prove that I know that what I am saying is false. You have provided nothing that proves so.

Listen, you can keep ducking, but your posts and avoidance are there for all to see. It was a racist comment.

 

[shack]

Just a friendly reminder.

"Differing points of view are welcomed as long as everyone acts with the appropriate respect and decorum. Yes, tempers may be raised but remember to act like responsible adults."

" No abuse, name calling, derogatory statements or insults that are not OBVIOUSLY given and received with good humor will be tolerated."

Being rude, sarcastic or unwelcoming to new forum members will not be tolerated

We encourage civil, constructive, open adult conversation and debate where one can express their thoughts and opinions in a non hostile or threatening environment.

Thank you for showing that my posts in this thread have all respected board decorum.

 

[shack]

The same standard then should also be applied to the accuser. Let say someone were to accuse you of something nefarious. Doesn't the accuser have to defend his or her accusation?

I have done that. I have said why I have formed my opinion. You have provided zero defense. That is a tacit admission that I am correct. The fact that you deleted your post provides proof that I am correct. You regretted making that post that is in my sig line.

 

[smuddan]

The same standard then should also be applied to the accuser. Let say someone were to accuse you of something nefarious. Doesn't the accuser have to defend his or her accusation?
BTW: Many cases of false accusations do end up in a court of law.

Anyway, I posted some TERB rules in the post just before yours.

Just to be clear, I’m only speaking in general terms and not specific to what you’re being accused of.

The point I was trying to make is, in a public forum like this nobody really knows who you are, whether or you’re a saint or a scumbag in real life, you’re being represented by what you post. It’s often impossible to prove or disprove an allegation.

While it’s a good thing that we bring racism to the forefront as it has no place in our society, it can be a double edged sword that can do a lot of harm to those who innocently make comments that are now considered racist. The comments themselves become the evidence and you’d be found guilty, rightly or wrongly.

As to your defamation of character allegations, imho if someone asks another to explain what he writes, it can’t be interpreted as such, neither it is when someone thinks your comments are racist because it becomes an opinion based on what you’ve said. This is no legal opinion of course, just my humble opinion.

 

[gcostanza]

Take it anyway you want.

I only quoted verbatim the what the rule says.

Thank you so much for your prompt and succinct reply, sir.

 

[Darts]

I have done that. I have said why I have formed my opinion.

I must have missed that. What did you say?

 

[Darts]

you’re being represented by what you post.

That particular post didn't even mention race.

 

[smuddan]

Ok guys, don’t you think we’ve gone far enough with this “racist comments“ subject and move on to something more related to the Leafs as the OP had intended for starting this thread ? Maybe a new thread is more appropriate if you wish to drag on it more ?

 

[John Wick]

With the prospect of an All-Canadian division being bandied about, does this help or hurt TML's chances of a more successful regular season and position them well or poorly for a sweet first round playoff seed?

 

[Darts]

With the prospect of an All-Canadian division being bandied about, does this help or hurt TML's chances of a more successful regular season and position them well or poorly for a sweet first round playoff seed?

It's difficult to follow every team closely. My sense is that the Leafs, despite all the wheeling and dealing, haven't improve or gotten worse from last year.

Strictly from a 100,000 feet perspective it seems to me that Montreal and Ottawa have improved. Winnipeg, Calgary and Vancouver about the same as last year, which is pretty good. Edmonton still have their two offensive superstars.

 

[smuddan]

It's difficult to follow every team closely. My sense is that the Leafs, despite all the wheeling and dealing, haven't improve or gotten worse from last year.

Strictly from a 100,000 feet perspective it seems to me that Montreal and Ottawa have improved. Winnipeg, Calgary and Vancouver about the same as last year, which is pretty good. Edmonton still have their two offensive superstars.

Perhaps the real improvement may come in the form of changing their turn the the other cheek attitude when being pushed around now that they’ve got a couple more character guys ?

 

[Darts]

Joe Thornton

Report: Joe Thornton recruitment effort is on for the Toronto Maple Leafs

In today’s Leafs Links, the insiders provide the latest on the Maple Leafs’ active pursuit of 41-year-old center Joe Thornton and the other offseason moves GM Kyle Dubas considered this week. Also in the links, Alex Pietrangelo reflects on his decision to sign in Vegas and how seriously he...

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Not sure what happened to his rumour talks with the Leafs.

Apparently, he is going back to Davos.

 

[Gooseifur]

Maybe. But until he gives an answer, we can only speculate. I speculate that it was a racist comment. He has not denied it. As such, I can only assume that I am correct.

Well you can't assume that. I'm getting off the topic of the thread but I will just make a few points. Black people watch less golf and tennis when Tiger and Serena aren't playing. Does that make them racist? No it doesn't. Most of them just can't identify with what are usually categorized as rich white men sports. Could it be that they only watch when Serena and Tiger are playing because they look like them? Yes , that doesn't make then racist. It's just something they have in common. If Darts can't culturally identify with the NBA because of the cultural difference between himself and the players doesn't make him racist. So when he says he didn't care if it went away because not enough players look like him. It could mean he can't identify with them. Black people generally don't watch Golf, Tennis, Hockey and now even baseball maybe because they don't see enough black people playing theses sports. That doesn't make them racist. All these sports are trying to diversify and add more black players. Not only because it will be better for society but it will get more black people watching the sport. Do you consider black people who don't watch these sports racist just because they would prefer to watch black players. I don't. The same could be true for Darts

 

[Darts]

The Thornton saga continues. Heard on the radio that he plans to return to the NHL if and when. Not sure if he is or will continue to talk to the Leafs. Anyway, the Leafs already have 4 younger centers so not sure why they would be talking to Thornton who is 41.

 

[gcostanza]

Breaking news: The Toronto Maple Leafs organization has signed forward Scott Sabourin to a 1 year, AHL contract.

 

[mellowjello]

The Thornton saga continues. Heard on the radio that he plans to return to the NHL if and when. Not sure if he is or will continue to talk to the Leafs. Anyway, the Leafs already have 4 younger centers so not sure why they would be talking to Thornton who is 41.

Even at 41 he's an upgrade on Spezza and Gauthier, money won't be a fit though.

 

[Fun For All]

Even at 41 he's an upgrade on Spezza and Gauthier, money won't be a fit though.

He'd be a good guy to have on a team, even at 41...Ontario boy with a lot of pride, respected around the league...

 

[Darts]

Even at 41 he's an upgrade on Spezza and Gauthier, money won't be a fit though.

He'd be a good guy to have on a team, even at 41...Ontario boy with a lot of pride, respected around the league...

I think the Leafs have already indicated that they don't need Gauthier and have re-signed Spezza so if they sign Thornton that would make 5 centers.

Also, what is happening with Dermott? Why hasn't he signed already?