400 mark

[lenny2]

Just as an FYI
You do realize fully 1 in 3 adult Canadians do not get flu shots?

I expect this number to be higher since many are suspicious of side effects from a rushed covid vaccine (plus those in fear if they go to get shot could be exposed will further decrease numbers)

"More Canadians planning on getting flu vaccine amid COVID-19: survey":

"... This marks a significant increase from the 45 per cent of Canadians who claimed they received the flu shot last year."

More Canadians planning on getting flu vaccine amid COVID-19: survey

The survey found 57 per cent of respondents said they would receive the flu shot this year.

globalnews.ca

 

[lenny2]

The old people that would have died of the flu have most likely now died of Corona.

C-19 is more dangerous than the flu as it kills more people than the flu. So many of the old people that would not have died of the flu have died of C-19. The flu was unable to kill them, but C-19 was able & there to get the job done & send them to the afterlife.

Lockdowns have already certainly saved many people from the effects of both C-19, the flu & pneumonia, colds, etc - which includes "old people" & young people - from (1) suffering, (2) becoming seriously ill, (3) being hospitalized, (4) being put in ICU or on a ventilator (5) suffering long term negative health effects & or (6) from dying.

Its a terrible argument you're making here

What argument do you imagine i'm making & why do you think it's terrible?

 

[basketcase]

So covid is back. we fucking locked down for nothing. Trudeau should be locked up for life because he is so goddamn stupid and incomptent. So many Canadians are hurting bad right now because this guy didn't close international travel back when we had a chance of beating this thing.

Could it be the idiots who either didn't care or didn't believe in precautions that is causing the spread? No. Lets just start the "lock her up" chant.

 

[basketcase]

Makes you wonder how since everyone is mask wearing
Or perhaps those masks do nothing

Everyone is wearing masks? Funny to hear that coming from you after all your claims that it's draconian.

 

[basketcase]

Notice majority of deaths happened in DEM states
Just saying

1) Many of those states have a slight majority of democrat voters which means plenty of republicans.
2) Since the initial wave, it seems "GOP states" have done their best to take over the lead.

 

[basketcase]

Just curious, but have you taken this into account??
...

Lets see. Worst case covid deaths in Canada are in excess of 350,000 (what would happen if Canada took your medical advice). Worst case excess suicide deaths is 8,000.

I would ask which do you think is more important but we know your answer will just be dumb.

 

[basketcase]

Ok
And?

Warning signs: more Canadians thinking about suicide during pandemic - CMHA National

For immediate release New national survey from the Canadian Mental Health Association and UBC exposes troubling pandemic mental health vulnerabilities across various groups Toronto, ON and Vancouver, BC (June 25,...

cmha.ca

Those who were already struggling with their mental health are:

twice as likely to say their mental health has declined (59% vs 33%)
5 times as likely to feel depressed (46% vs 17%)
three times as likely to have trouble coping (28% vs 11%)
four times as likely to have had suicidal thoughts (18% vs. 4%)
four times as likely to have tried to harm themselves (4% vs. 1%)

Among this group, very few are accessing in-person (2%) or virtual mental health care (14%) or using online resources (5%).

“People with pre-existing mental health conditions are some of the hardest hit,” says Margaret Eaton, national CEO, CMHA. “The pandemic is exposing how broken our mental health system already was in Canada. We must invest in community mental health programs and services, improve our nationwide suicide prevention plan and seize this opportunity to fix our system for the longer term.”

The mental health policy response thus far has been directed to the general population and has not prioritized those who already had a mental illness or mental health issues or addressed those whose mental healthcare has been interrupted.

What you chose to ignore is that this study is NOT about depression caused by loss of employment but includes depression over health, getting infected, friends and family dying, etc. It does not in any way prove your point.

 

[basketcase]

The obvious point is the number of people harming themselves due to mental health issues vastly outnumber the number of people dying of Covid or Covid related issues
...

Completely made up bullshit.

 

[basketcase]

The old people that would have died of the flu have most likely now died of Corona. Its a terrible argument you're making here

What a pathetic justification.

Most old people at high risk and those in contact with them have the option to get a flu shot.

 

[basketcase]

Medical exemption
...

Did you print up one of those cards yourself?

Sorry but my dad has severe COPD and he's able to wear a mask long enough to go shopping. if you're healthy enough to get your 'exercise' with SPs then you're healthy enough to wear a mask for a short time.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Lets see. Worst case covid deaths in Canada are in excess of 350,000 (what would happen if Canada took your medical advice). Worst case excess suicide deaths is 8,000.

I would ask which do you think is more important but we know your answer will just be dumb.

Speaking of dumb, we wouldnt even be close to 35,000 deaths. What makes you think that??
Sweden has about 1/3 population than Canada. Sweden has 5,800 deaths. So at worst Canada would have 18,000 deaths (of which the vast majority are old people who most likely would have died soon anyways)

 

[doggystyle99]

Everyone is wearing masks? Funny to hear that coming from you after all your claims that it's draconian.

Teejay has no idea what he posts about and that they are in total contradiction to one another.

He kept claiming that most people were not adhering to wearing masks,
Then claimed the ones that were wearing masks were wearing the wrong type of masks
As well tried claiming they were wearing it wrong which was leading to cases....................Now all of a sudden he's claiming everyone is wearing a mask.
Quite comical how his rational works.

 

[basketcase]

Speaking of dumb, we wouldnt even be close to 35,000 deaths....

The worst case put forward in studies. You know, like the worst case numbers you posted.

As expected from a conspiracy denier, you're happy to cherry-pick one scientific study but like to ignore all the others.

Sweden has about 1/3 population than Canada. Sweden has 5,800 deaths. So at worst Canada would have 18,000 deaths (of which the vast majority are old people who most likely would have died soon anyways)

Umm, do you think covid is over?

 

[lenny2]

So at worst Canada would have 18,000 deaths (of which the vast majority are old people who most likely would have died soon anyways)

If "died soon" meant in even as little as 6 months on average, 18,000 deaths works out to 9,000 years of life that C-19 took from Canadians. And you try to dismiss that as nothing in your mind & heart?

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

If "died soon" meant in even as little as 6 months on average, 18,000 deaths works out to 9,000 years of life that C-19 took from Canadians. And you try to dismiss that as nothing in your mind & heart?

Per person 6 months doesnt mean much

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Umm, do you think covid is over?

For Sweden, when looking solely at daily deaths, its pretty much over yup

 

[basketcase]

For Sweden, when looking solely at daily deaths, its pretty much over yup
...

Meanwhile back on the farm.....

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

Just another of your pathetic cherry-picking.

 

[lenny2]

Per person 6 months doesnt mean much

You can't speak for others. Obviously they've chosen to live rather than kill themselves. As i said:

"If "died soon" meant in even as little as 6 months on average, 18,000 deaths works out to 9,000 years of life that C-19 took from Canadians. And you try to dismiss that as nothing in your mind & heart?"

Project that over the million officially dead from C-19 already & it's 500,000 years of human life you're dismissing as it "doesn't mean much".

Without safety measures C-19 may have easily killed 10 million already. That would mean about 5 million years of human life that "doesn't mean much" to you.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

You can't speak for others. Obviously they've chosen to live rather than kill themselves. As i said:

"If "died soon" meant in even as little as 6 months on average, 18,000 deaths works out to 9,000 years of life that C-19 took from Canadians. And you try to dismiss that as nothing in your mind & heart?"

I'm saying the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. When you're destroying the entire economy you destroy lives.
Right now you lot are destroying the economy, which means you are destroying many more lives than just a couple of people dying of Covid

 

[doggystyle99]

For Sweden, when looking solely at daily deaths, its pretty much over yup

As usual you have no idea what you are talking about in Sweden. as the cases in Sweden are on the rise.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/09/25/sweden-coronavirus-debate-lockdown-new-cases/

"Sweden, where a shutdown-free pandemic response prompted a global debate, is seeing another wave of covid-19 cases, with the country’s state epidemiologist warning this week that it was heading in the “wrong direction” as winter approaches."

And for their Nordic bordering neigbours Denmark, Norway, Finland the numbers of deaths seen by Sweden was never seen by them individually or combined together.

Notice those 3 countries number of deaths has always been significantly lower than Sweden, they have seen 5 deaths or lower and on quite a few days 0 deaths consistently since April and Sweden as you can see by your own chart was well over 50 until mid May and 25 until July only to have the numbers of deaths reduced to still a higher number than those countries since only the end of July.
But you would have to comprehend why the numbers of deaths worldwide has significantly been lowered per capita in countries that originally saw the exposure to the Coronavirus very early on and I do not have the time or the patience to make someone like you understand this.











I also highly recommend you go and understand the lack of testing in Sweden compared to those 3 Nordic bordering neighbours perhaps ask your FB Swedish friend. Which also confirms the rate of transmission in Sweden is higher than those 3 countries currently.
It truly is amazing the "Stable Genius" crowd is still attempting to talk about Sweden and promote it's full failure as a success. Truly amazing.