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Again, I mention doctors, you mention Trump. And saying our leaders don't have a political steak in this is naive.

- Trudeau and his team were laughing off COVID into the second week of March. They hoped it would go away while hundreds of thousands of Canadians left the country on March Break. Where did our 'epidemic' largely come from?... People returning from March Break and not isolating/quarantining. That is a fact. Returning travelers were not told to isolate until April 1st. That is taken from Canadian news sources who were interviewing people at the airport. Even then, the people were not directly told, they had to read a customs document they were presented with upon their return. Some didn't even see it. Who controls the airports/borders?... The federal gov.

- Doug Ford canceled inspections of LTC facilities. Over 80% of the deaths in Ontario occurred in LTC sites. He is desperate to keep the idea that 'it could get anyone anywhere' going, otherwise he's the guy that killed everyone's grannies.

Above are a few political decisions that would have greatly changed the outcome for us, that no doubt the two administrations would very much like you to forget.

Also to think world leaders do not conspire with each other, or align to further their personal/political interests is ignorant. I'm sorry it just is. Open a history book and it will not take long to find several examples of countries working together to influence others for their own gain.

I'm sticking just to facts here, but if you exercise some critical thinking on what has transpired over the past year I would be surprised if anyone didn't come to the conclusion that there are some missing pieces with the official story.
I returned on March 18th and self isolated for 14 days. Leaders knew how serious the COVID 19 is but they all downplayed. I recall on March 15th, Boris Johnson who downplayed COVID big time finally admitted that there will be 40K death. All leaders failed their people.
 

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Again, I mention doctors, you mention Trump. And saying our leaders don't have a political steak in this is naive.

- Trudeau and his team were laughing off COVID into the second week of March. They hoped it would go away while hundreds of thousands of Canadians left the country on March Break. Where did our 'epidemic' largely come from?... People returning from March Break and not isolating/quarantining. That is a fact. Returning travelers were not told to isolate until April 1st. That is taken from Canadian news sources who were interviewing people at the airport. Even then, the people were not directly told, they had to read a customs document they were presented with upon their return. Some didn't even see it. Who controls the airports/borders?... The federal gov. YES IN MARCH when most until MID MARCH and an emergency was called, did not realize the severity. NEWS FLASH, its a NOVEL VIRUS, means NEW btw.

- Doug Ford canceled inspections of LTC facilities. Over 80% of the deaths in Ontario occurred in LTC sites. He is desperate to keep the idea that 'it could get anyone anywhere' going, otherwise he's the guy that killed everyone's grannies. AGAIN, they were learning along the way, what does this have to do with today when you would think folks using "critical thinking" would be a little bit smarter

Above are a few political decisions that would have greatly changed the outcome for us, that no doubt the two administrations would very much like you to forget. If China had stopped all travel leaving their country in November of last year things would have been different too. Again, does that mean we should be reckless and stupid today when we know more?

Also to think world leaders do not conspire with each other, or align to further their personal/political interests is ignorant. I'm sorry it just is. Open a history book and it will not take long to find several examples of countries working together to influence others for their own gain. Yeah, sure! Brazil, India, Russia, Germany, I can go on and on. All did this for an exercise in human population control. DUDE, you really need a tinfoil hat. MY GOD, have people completely lost their minds?

I'm sticking just to facts here, but if you exercise some critical thinking on what has transpired over the past year I would be surprised if anyone didn't come to the conclusion that there are some missing pieces with the official story.
You are sticking to conspiracy theories far from critical thinking. A little bit of critical thinking on your part might instill some common sense.
 
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"CNN’s Kaitlin Collins obsesses over masks when the cameras are on, but when she thinks they’re off, off comes her mask!"


You do know they are all tested before the president and the president's close people walk in right? Yeah, they wear the mask to set a good example and to taunt the republicans.

Trump is in a bubble and kept safe. Why though, why when this is all a hoax?
 

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I returned on March 18th and self isolated for 14 days. Leaders knew how serious the COVID 19 is but they all downplayed. I recall on March 15th, Boris Johnson who downplayed COVID big time finally admitted that there will be 40K death. All leaders failed their people.
I do agree more should have been done. Trump knew in January it was airborne and killing 5X more than the flu and played it down. No leader wanted to shut down their countries. That is the point. It is a serious pandemic yet some folks insist on pretending its just a flu. I'm not for shutting down but at least wear the mask when inside public places, social distance and wash your hands. It's a lot better than having to go through a lock down.
 

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Stay tuned and don't be surprised when you hear about new restrictions coming!!!

I caught parts of the announcement this morning. All regions in Ontario now have the 10 indoor/25 outdoor (with physical distancing) rules for informal social gatherings. Businesses are still under their previous rules of Stage 3.

Not surprised...the leaders in the regions other than Toronto, Peel and Ottawa figured out pretty quick that the 50 indoor/100 outdoor parties would just increase in their areas and anyone in the 3 regions under the lower restrictions from this week would just drive there to join in.

On Facebook yesterday I saw a Toronto based birthday bash for this weekend coming - under the 100 person outdoor limit but was going to be close to it - get moved to a family members place in a region still at the 100 person limit (just down the 401 to the west) and just now is back to the original location, only 20 closest family members coming in person and setting up a web camera for zoom invites to those no longer coming in person.
 

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I caught parts of the announcement this morning. All regions in Ontario now have the 10 indoor/25 outdoor (with physical distancing) rules for informal social gatherings. Businesses are still under their previous rules of Stage 3.

Not surprised...the leaders in the regions other than Toronto, Peel and Ottawa figured out pretty quick that the 50 indoor/100 outdoor parties would just increase in their areas and anyone in the 3 regions under the lower restrictions from this week would just drive there to join in.

On Facebook yesterday I saw a Toronto based birthday bash for this weekend coming - under the 100 person outdoor limit but was going to be close to it - get moved to a family members place in a region still at the 100 person limit (just down the 401 to the west) and just now is back to the original location, only 20 closest family members coming in person and setting up a web camera for zoom invites to those no longer coming in person.
I hope they are correct and the spikes are due to large private parties. I know a few of the restaurants I've been too have been great enforcing the rules except for when folks are seated at their tables. I was at King Taps a couple of weeks ago and enjoyed the doorman chase down a diner coming in not wearing a mask. When the clown saw the size of the bouncer he quickly grabbed a mask out of his pocket and put it on.
 

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You just proved my point. This is a political issue, not based on science. Because, as I pointed out previously, there are plenty of scientists and doctors that feel the lockdowns are an over reaction. And plenty of doctors who feel the numbers and models are highly exaggerated. Why are their voices being silenced. Why are they being canceled and shamed the second they raise a point contrary to the party line? Any discussion regarding this subject always digresses to Trump within the first minute.

Also, do you know anyone that's had COVID? I personally know 3 confirmed cases. Their ages ranged from 20 - 55. Two of them did not even know they had it, and were only tested either due to a close contact or due to their job position. The one that suffered symptoms was the 55 year old. And he experienced something akin to flu. He was back to work in 2 weeks. Can you tell me, where these blue collar Canadian guys all plants pushing Trumps agenda?
I lost a high school friend. Early 50's.

And as for the younger ones no dying, there is mounting evidence of long term heath problems including reduced lung, heart, and kidney function. Neurological disorders due to mini strokes. And ither ones cropping up.

And these have been noted in college age athletes. There may be a covid generation similar to the polio generation that has lasting problems.

And its genetic so no telling who will be affected
 
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I was at King Taps a couple of weeks ago and enjoyed the doorman chase down a diner coming in not wearing a mask. When the clown saw the size of the bouncer he quickly grabbed a mask out of his pocket and put it on.
Probably Canada Man!
 
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UK is shutting down all restaurants and bars. 2nd complete lockdown is coming to UK on Tuesday.

We need to shut the borders like NZ. Still too many flights coming in. One of my doctor went to US and came back and now has COVID..
 

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UK is shutting down all restaurants and bars. 2nd complete lockdown is coming to UK on Tuesday.

We need to shut the borders like NZ. Still too many flights coming in. One of my doctor went to US and came back and now has COVID..
I completely agree. All nonessential air travel outside of Canada should not be allowed. I have a close friend who went to visit family in Ohio and also came back with COVID.
 

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I actually need to get back to UK urgently but there is no chance with the way Brits acting and that I can feel safe going.
 

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My point being, in the time of the supposed pandemic, you should not pack the city bus to the capacity.
What solution do you have? Should we station police on the bus to limit ridership? Tell people they shouldn't go to work?

Yes, it is stupid but the only other possibility that doesn't cripple the economy is for the TTC to massive increase the number of busses on those routes and have addition staff on each bus to control numbers. If we did that, there would still be the question about funding it.
 

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Again, who's dying? ...
People.

Are you prepared to be consigned to the soylent factory when you turn 65?


And no matter what Justin Trudeau tells you, don't buy into this whole 'the economy will recover' business
Okay, disagree with all economic theories. The question isn't if it will recover, it is how long will it take to recover. Economies have continual growth trends, especially in countries that follow capitalist ideas.
 
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You just proved my point. This is a political issue, not based on science. Because, as I pointed out previously, there are plenty of scientists and doctors that feel the lockdowns are an over reaction....
You have difficulty understanding what those doctors say. Other than that demon sperm doctor, you won't find many doctors who say covid isn't harmful to people. That is the science. The rest of it is interpretation of what level of risk is acceptable. Interpretation of that risk takes in to account many factors and many educated people can still disagree as to how important reach of the other factors are. From a scientific basis, there is no (ethical) way to actually test different levels of precautions and determine the minimum restrictions that stop the spread so it is dumb to pretend that different doctors and scientists opinions on restrictions are actual fact.
 

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... Where on earth do you see it's political here in Canada? ...
Of course the government actions are political. They were elected to represent all Canadians and they are trying to find a balance between the various needs of the country. They may be far better than the Orange Man but it is quite obvious that many of their decisions are based on spending and economic factors and not just science. If it was purely science then the limit on gatherings would apply to businesses and schools as well.

I do give them credit for listening to their scientific advisors, especially as this is a new thing and there isn't a large background of previous science to base those decisions on.
 
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UK is shutting down all restaurants and bars. 2nd complete lockdown is coming to UK on Tuesday.

We need to shut the borders like NZ. Still too many flights coming in. One of my doctor went to US and came back and now has COVID..
Way too late to worry about flights and international travel when it is spreading so widely already. BTW. NZ borders aren't locked down and their monitoring of incoming passengers is significant because they don't have the homegrown cases to worry about.
 

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Of course the government actions are political. They were elected to represent all Canadians and they are trying to find a balance between the various needs of the country. They may be far better than the Orange Man but it is quite obvious that many of their decisions are based on spending and economic factors and not just science. If it was purely science then the limit on gatherings would apply to businesses and schools as well.

I do give them credit for listening to their scientific advisors, especially as this is a new thing and there isn't a large background of previous science to base those decisions on.
I disagree on political here in Canada at least in comparison to the US. A place where even a bloody mask indicates if you're left or right. Here in good old Canada 90% of Federally, Provincially and Municipal, are all on the same page regardless of political stripe when it applies to the pandemic. Sure the ones not in power throw digs from the opposing bench but overall, the ones in control read from the same playlist. Doug has to weigh the impact of another shutdown on business and Justin lets the provinces call the shots on how they proceed. It would most likely be the last nail on the coffin of many businesses, especially restaurants if told to completely lockdown.

The insurance companies are killing the bar and restaurant businesses with escalating policies due to COVID. It was nice to see Doug come out and blast the insurance industry although I doubt they will listen.
 
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What solution do you have? Should we station police on the bus to limit ridership? Tell people they shouldn't go to work?

Yes, it is stupid but the only other possibility that doesn't cripple the economy is for the TTC to massive increase the number of busses on those routes and have addition staff on each bus to control numbers. If we did that, there would still be the question about funding it.
Rofl! How about 3 extra buses on the arterial routes during the rush hours?is this dangerous or not?
 
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